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kitaman27
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Bleh...
On December 06 2012 03:20 Acrofales wrote:
@Kita:
How could you roleblock Toad while also shooting Drazerk (two nights in a row)?
Because that's how my role works.
On December 06 2012 03:20 Acrofales wrote:
How did you roleblock Drazerk on N7 when I got the report that my ability could not target Drazerk?
Not sure. I didn't receive any indication that my shot or roleblock was unsuccessful.
On December 06 2012 03:20 Acrofales wrote:
Unanswerable: why did Toad claim the roleblock on N3, but not on N4?
Dunno. You can try looking for Toad's n4 shot if it makes you feel better.
Unanswerable #2: Why did Toad claim to take damage N3, if he was jailed and immune to damage.
On December 06 2012 04:14 austinmcc wrote:
Why didn't you claim the risk roleblock earlier? Were you just withholding it or did you specifically want to make risk's claim look fake?
There wasn't really a benefit to claim when we had the Toad and S&B lynches lined up.
On December 06 2012 06:36 goodkarma wrote:
And that leaves CaveJohnson... Am I the only one seriously considering lynching him? I know it's not the most exciting thing to be lynching a lying troll, but everyone else at this point is accounted for...
I'm not. I'd imagine he is pretty close to death from the night actions various people have targeted him with, but its hard to say how effective the shots have been.[/QUOTE]
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On December 06 2012 08:23 Acrofales wrote:
I can see no pattern based on era. Also no pattern based on "can only roleblock whom he damaged". Mind explaining a bit more?
Maybe we can compromise and I could clear things up if you would reveal your "secondary win condition" 
@Cave....still no 16 role claims? 
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kitaman27
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So do those names actually have descriptions or do you just have to guess?
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On December 06 2012 12:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
Hey Kita, did you ever learn anything about your silver points?
Nope.
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On December 06 2012 21:36 Acrofales wrote:
Which makes me wonder: why is Kita lying about his night actions?
lol
If I didn't target Cave with my roleblock, who did I target?
So I was the strongest opponent to a scum sandroba election, I roleblocked a scum toad twice, I got targeted by VE's abilities, I roleblocked a scum VE, I mentioned multiple times that I thought VE was scum, I caught S&B in his fake claim, and I've been targeting Cave (and hopeless once n2) with my night hits. Clearly my strategy is to bus my entire team, shoot the troll, and hope Lavos can take out the 15+ remaining townies.
@syllo, does a roleclaim benefit us right now? I'm clearly not scum, only the third party player is suspicious of me, and revealing how my role works provides the mafia team with extra information.
Like I said before, I'd be willing to claim if Acro wants to come clean. At least that benefits town information wise.
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kitaman27
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Do you agree that now would be a good time for phagga to reveal his name?
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Something that we should try to do is to coordinate our roleblocks. It might be possible to shut down the mafia kp this way.
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On December 06 2012 22:44 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 22:36 kitaman27 wrote:
Something that we should try to do is to coordinate our roleblocks. It might be possible to shut down the mafia kp this way. do you read the thread?
Yep I'm aware of your thoughts on factional kps, but that still doesn't mean we shouldn't coordinate roleblocks. If they don't exist (which is possible if syllo wasn't targeted by the ability he recieved damage from or if you are misleading us), then we shutdown their damage output. If factional kps do exist, then we still shut down their abilities and limit their damage output.
I won't be back until after the deadline so I'll likely be on Cave tonight once again -_-
On December 06 2012 22:57 Acrofales wrote:
As for claiming, I don't know why you're trying to connect my claiming my identity to you claiming how your ability works. I don't really care about having the knowledge out there. I care about resolving things that don't make sense. Your claiming helps with the second part. My claiming anything further is only putting information in the thread for the sake of sating your curiosity.
In my opinion, I think the town would be much more interested in you providing further information about a player who has come up dirty on an alignment check and caused us to fail a mission, than hearing about the conditions under which I can use my abilities. What's not making sense is the condition that you suddenly met based on your claimed actions.
The reason you claim to want to keep your identity hidden is that player X might be hunting you.
Suppose player X is looking for his target to hunt.
He can choose between Robo, Kino, or the player who won't reveal his name because he is being hunted.
Who is player X going to go after?
On December 06 2012 22:57 Acrofales wrote:
As for whom you roleblocked? Maybe you didn't roleblock anybody. You've only roleblocked 2 people who have claimed and not been counterclaimed.
So you don't think I'm scum, but you think Cave and nuke are willing to lie for me? You've clearly thought this through.
On December 06 2012 22:57 Acrofales wrote:
I think you're probably 3P and your wincon may or may not be helpful to town. My guess is that it's not. However, it's probably not worth lynching you for, with risk.nuke pretty much claiming scum with his absence.
So you're guessing that I have an anti-town win condtion. That must mean that you've considered what type of win conditions I possibly could have.
What did you come up with based upon my night actions?
A serial killer who takes half the game to kill Cave?
A village idiot who isn't trying to get himself lynched?
Your mysterious hunter who has been shooting another target?
The evil chef killer?
You've clearly started trying to discredit me ever since I started pressuring you for a claim. Once we lynch our fifth scum, it's still my opinion that we should direct a lynch at you unless you stop witholding information.
As for the Kino claim, I'm don't recall any flavor for him involving absorbing other players abilities. Phagga doesn't really need to roleclaim this cycle, but it might help clearing things up the next time we reach a lynch cycle.
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On December 07 2012 10:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
I AM THE KILLER :D
I didnt get damaged in any way, shape or form.
<3 Clarity :D
Scum possibilities are
Z-bo+Austin
Hopeless
Phagga
Adam
Right?
Would someone do me a favor and refresh my memory on the role claims we've gotten from these four individuals?
I'd look myself, but with the size of the thread, it would probably be easier just to ask -_-
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kitaman27
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Could we get a roleclaim from phagga?
If he really can absorb abilities, it would seem quite imbalanced for town if he just claimed and gained heals/clarity's reset/investigative powers/cave's nuke. He hasn't really shown that he's trying to abuse his role if this is how it works.
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kitaman27
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Sorry been pretty lazy this cycle after the 5th scum lynch. We really shouldn't consider the game won yet though.
Keirathi seems to be getting excluded from the possible scum suspects. I don't think he has earned strong town status, unless I'm forgetting something.
Something to consider is that we probably want to start preparing ourselves for the Lavos battle. Shutting down town kp might be a good idea to keep our health up, while relying on only the lynch to find the final 1-2 members. We don't actually have to eliminate all the mafia members to win, although we don't know the mechanics of how we're going to kill Lavos. Trading 3 to 1 with mafia at this point in the game might not be the most efficient.
I'll look through the remaining players tonight. For the players in the risk qt, was there anything worthwhile now that he has flipped?
On December 07 2012 23:58 Acrofales wrote:
The lack of a sandwich also makes no sense unless someone roleblocked him tonight. Kita, did you RB Drazerk?
Ya sorry, didn't put two and two together when you first mentioned it.
On December 08 2012 02:20 syllogism wrote:
Kitaman I would like you to explain your role a bit more. I would particularly like to know how much mp you have available on average and how much you gain every cycle. What is your max mp? What did you do last cycle?
My max is 200. I gain 10 per night and 20 from level ups.
Last night I shot Cave for 100 + roleblocked him.
On December 08 2012 04:33 austinmcc wrote:
I still have a hard time believing ANYONE who claims "I'm just an innocent old 3P survivor that's tough to kill, don't mind me" is telling the truth, especially with all the other stuff he made up, but there are bigger concerns now.
^^
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On December 08 2012 17:26 syllogism wrote:
Kita really you roleblocked Drazerk again? Should have made you coordinate as that's just about the worst block you could have made. Did you think he is mafia? We don't even have to kill third parties to win.
lol really, you're going to complain about it post flip? The worst block? Now you're just being silly. I claimed it half way through the cycle and nobody said a word. Yes, I thought he was mafia.
Do you agree that we should stop shooting this cycle? Anyone found to be leaving their homes with only a kp ability that are caught by your track get lynched?
I can roleblock 2 players tonight, but I'll probably just block a single player with the cheaper ability. Blocking Acro guarantees a non-town player doesn't submit an action tonight, but I might go elsewhere. I'll let you know before the deadline so you can make your block based on that.
TheChronicler, have you taken any actions since your last claim?
Keirathi, as you were in two parties, what was your second ability? Are these abilities one use?
Its strange that his role is so nerfed compared to everyone else. He also has the failed event to take into account.
The thing about Phagga is that he has the Golem's role while claiming another character's role. The golem boss battle directly matches up with his ability, where the last attack used against him is used against your party.
Phagga, could you walk me through why you never tried to abuse this role, through a claim?
With a parity check, we could have cleared 4 players instead of two. You could have asked to be targeted by S&B to confirm his role. You could have increased our healing output by having someone heal yourself and then healing someone else the next cycle.
What was your thought process on how you should use your role?
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kitaman27
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On December 08 2012 23:22 syllogism wrote:
Kita: you had already blocked drazerk on n7 and I took so much damage on n7 that it pretty much had to come from more than one source. Anyway, I'm mostly annoyed that the game is still going on even though it seems clearly that mafia can not win this. Mafia should concede
I was under the assumption that my roleblock didn't go through n7, based on the Acro's claim. Oh well.
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kitaman27
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I'm voting for phagga, although I don't feel too strongly one way or another.
RB will be on Adam.
Acro might be a good Roleblock/tracker target to confirm he only has self targeting abilities, as he claims.
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kitaman27
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This game really comes down to defeating lavos. Mafia is going to lose their factional kp so they are less of a threat.
One option we have is to lynch Acro. We know he doesn't contribute to the town damage output formula against Lavos. Lynching him might be the least risky option if the remaining mafia player is one of Keirathi/Adam/Prom/Hapa/Hope. With some luck, he might even turn out to be an anti-town player. I think this might be our best option.
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Oh, austin didn't take an action.
Nevermind then.
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On December 09 2012 08:58 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 08:57 kitaman27 wrote:
This game really comes down to defeating lavos. Mafia is going to lose their factional kp so they are less of a threat.
One option we have is to lynch Acro. We know he doesn't contribute to the town damage output formula against Lavos. Lynching him might be the least risky option if the remaining mafia player is one of Keirathi/Adam/Prom/Hapa/Hope. With some luck, he might even turn out to be an anti-town player. I think this might be our best option. that would be so cold at this point.
Lynching a player that isn't town isn't cold if it is your best bet for being successful.
The alignment check was cruel to his chances, but its the way the game plays out.
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On December 09 2012 08:59 syllogism wrote:
I'm not lynching acro. I don't even care if he can do something to us at this point. He deserves to win for the effort he has put into the game and our win con says nothing about lynching third parties. He should claim his win con though, it's clearly at least partly anti-town.
I might be willing to a pardon for good behavior if he's willing to claim fully, but otherwise he should be considered today.
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kitaman27
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Lets all remember to vote 24 hours earlier than you normally would so you don't get modkilled. k thx.
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