Chrono Trigger Mafia - Page 6

On December 03 2012 07:31 Acrofales wrote:

SnB is scum for claiming an ability that has no town purpose at all.

On December 03 2012 07:53 kitaman27 wrote:
strongandbig...are you willing to use your role tonight on phagga to confirm he is not golem?

On December 03 2012 07:54 kitaman27 wrote:


What were you planning before?

On December 03 2012 16:59 Promethelax wrote:


good point.

SnB, anything else you wanna claim about your ability? Besides the fact that you attacked me with it like an idiot. Let me be clear, without any other aspect of your claim to explain what is happening to your targets I will vote you.

On November 29 2012 22:12 strongandbig wrote:
I decided to put this in a separate post, it's my take on the goodkarma case that promethelax put out. I think goodkarma definitely is the right person to be scrutinizing right now given how the party turned out. Since acro and keir were in the party, its failure doesn't automatically make goodkarma scum; but it should put him right under the microscope.



this is a pretty good summary, the case is good even without taking the mission failure into account.

I don't like GK's response to a few points in the case. I'm not going to quote the whole back-and-forth here, because I really don't have time to dig through the quote nesting. I'll just post what I don't like about the response:

1. I think he's ignoring the part where he told people not to setup speculate, and then later ignored his own advice. It's not that setup speculation is inherently scummy in a closed setup like this, but giving global advice at the start of the game is an easy way to make yourself look townie and scum like to do it; but if a townie gives this kind of advice it's because they really believe it, whereas scum don't and are therefore much more likely to ignore their own advice later when the thread sentiment moves in that direction.
   
2. GK claims there is a town motivation for asking in the thread whether party members are kill immune. I agree that there is a motivation for asking what happens if a party member is killed but asking whether the party members can be killed is information that only helps scum imo.
   
3. I also don't like how gk is insisting that "not shooting toad" would've been a better move for town. toad could easily be lying about being bulletproof, occam's razor says he most likely is, and if we'd been able to take toad down with vigshots we could've used today's lynch to much better effect.
   

On the other hand, I don't think the phagga association thing is a big deal even if GK is scum, I could see a scum easily doing that with a townie (since they know their read will be right).




This is an interesting point. I'm inclined to believe that GK did actually shoot drazerk, it seems unlikely that scum would claim this and then just shout "what now counterclaim me bro". (or if GK is scum, it could've been anyone on the scum team.)

From the early damage reports, it seems possible that the scum team was spreading their kp around pretty liberally, and given drazerk's claimed abilities it's possible they put some of it on him if they thought he was sk. Alternatively, it's possible that GK has a vig-ish role and chose town targets that looked scummy to set up a fakeclaim, that wouldn't be surprising.

So I really don't see how this claim clears GK. At first I was going to say "it probably means that GK and drazerk aren't scum buddies because then they wouldn't know where that damage came from and they would have to risk a counterclaim," but then I realized that if they are scum buddies it's entirely possible and likely that drazerk just lied about taking that damage. So I don't see how this claim clears anybody.

At the moment I have been decently convinced that GK is scum, but I'm going to vote toad because he's claimed scum in the thread and we should kill the scum right in front of us.

On December 04 2012 04:14 Keirathi wrote:

How many bus drivers do you think scum has?

And if it was a town role, why did they use it on phagga, whom s&b said he was going to target at syllo's (?) request? And if it was a townie, why haven't they claimed it?

On December 04 2012 03:28 Clarity_nl wrote:


You see, it's not just that your ability doesn't seem townlike, it's the way you've handled the use of your ability AND the fact that you "didn't care that much" about confirming your assumptions when it came to your abilities. Even ignoring all of that you have been practically useless all game, didn't bother telling us you were going to be away for a couple of days until you were LITERALLY AT THE AIRPORT and a lackluster defense of any accusation thrown at you.

On December 04 2012 04:21 iamperfection wrote:
s&b i think you should do one of those list posts with your thoughts on all the players in the game.

On December 05 2012 06:52 Promethelax wrote:
I like Draz. When he decides to participate he often has great ideas. Gems in the rough.

However, Draz, you aren't actually giving me anything to work with. I still want to know who you think is scum.

On December 05 2012 06:55 CaveJohnson wrote:
Just stop posting SnB you attacking me is null either way so it won't work.