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On December 12 2012 06:06 Promethelax wrote:
not really relevant, no. I just though I remembered you saying that you had 151 health left. Which now that I write it down reminds me that math doesn't work that way and that the total is 400. No need for you to confirm/deny anything though.
Trying to keep myself interested in this game mostly.
If that's what you're doing, try to puzzle out whether Adam is scum or not. Weird shit going on with him and austin.
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No. It's something Syllo brought up. If Adam shot Zbo and Zbo is scum and Adam isn't, why would he not counterattack for 300 damage?
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Fine by me. I don't mind you roleblocking my roleblocked target 
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I took 100 damage. I should have dealt 300 to Toad.
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On December 12 2012 08:19 iamperfection wrote:
Wtf who is trying to kill me? I took 100 dmg again. It makes no sense im not that valuable at this point?
Which bit of RANDOM targets do you not get?
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I can't roleblock Toad tonight. Also with the speed you guys are killing Lavos I would really appreciate any and all help. This wincon is retarded.
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On December 12 2012 08:22 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 08:20 Acrofales wrote:On December 12 2012 08:19 iamperfection wrote:
Wtf who is trying to kill me? I took 100 dmg again. It makes no sense im not that valuable at this point? Which bit of RANDOM targets do you not get? If lavos can only do 100 dmg what is the point.
In this endgame? Not much, but in an endgame where scum had more people alive and town less? Obviously quite a bit. Anyway, he targeted you and me so far. Who's to know how many people Lavos can target?
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On December 12 2012 08:21 Toadesstern wrote:I took some damage. Lavos probably punching me  But wasn't that much so I'm fine.
I wasn't roleblocked, so you took 300 damage. Scum.
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On December 12 2012 09:09 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 00:54 syllogism wrote:On December 11 2012 23:14 Adam4167 wrote:On December 11 2012 21:12 syllogism wrote:
Okay so I went back and finally read a bit. At one point adam warned against attacking him, but apparently that was a false threat. Why did you lie about that, adam? Can you provide a full list of all your predictions so far? I lied to try and prevent someone I had a town read on from shooting at me. Syllogism Dieno Toad Toad Wrathed Austin for 200 damage Clarity Iamperfection austinmcc austinmcc phagga The last two were incredibly frustrating because I had to submit my night action and then go to bed before the lynch. Then the switch onto Phagga happened, making my austinmcc prediction wrong AND screwing up my next cycles prediction because he was already dead. I think that comes across in this post hereI'm not scum, feel free to roleblock the shit out of me, ill never get one of these predictions right anyway. Can you explain your role a bit more N1 Syllogism N2 Dieno N3 Toad N4 Toad N5 Wrathed Austin for 200 damage N6 Clarity N7 Iamperfection N8 austinmcc N9 austinmcc N10 phagga These are what you submitted in right? So if I had died on N1, you would have gotten a bullet for N2? So are you saying you submitted Phagga last night even though Phagga was already dead? The way it works is I submit on day 1, my pick to die from the beginning of N1, all the way through til the end of N2. This does not include the D1 lynch, as that resolves at the 47th hour of the day, and the night actions at the 48th. Then on the next cycle, I lose my predictive power and gain a shot that has to be spent, so I can resume predicting again. Why austin didn't counterattack me is beyond me. I was kind of expecting it regardless of his alignment. I took 100 damage and was roleblocked last night.
Fairy certain Adam just claimed scum here. Here's the post in which austin claimed his actions for the first time ever:
+ Show Spoiler [austin's roleclaim] +On December 06 2012 02:10 austinmcc wrote:I can't account for the roleblocks or any missing actions. My role is different depending on the time period, but none of them match up. - While in 2300 AD or 12,000 BC I can counterattack anyone who dealt damage to me.
300 damage to the last person that dealt damage to me. If multiple people hit me in the same cycle, it's split amongst them. - While in 600 AD or 1000 AD I can heal/shield
150 HP heal or 75 HP shield. - While in 65,000,000 BC or End of Time, I can find out a target's current hp
Cycle 6 I shielded Syllo. Didn't know everyone's health values, dienosaur was dead before the end of cycle, and out of the people that were being treated as confirmed town, syllo seemed the strongest player to me. Cycle 7 I didn't do anything. Considered counterattacking Adam, making sure he was responsible for the damage on me like he claimed, but nobody counterclaimed the damage. Adam said he wasn't going to keep shooting me, so I figured best not to hit him. One reason I prefer cycles where a lot of people have items/abilities/something waiting for them is that those are the cycles that are useful. I guess I can use End of Time to check a player's HP or two, make sure they're not lying, but otherwise healing/shielding sounds way more useful than an HP check. Especially given that now it's kind of telegraphed.
This is after it could have happened, thus there is no way you could have expected it to happen. You might have found it weird after the fact, but you couldn't have known beforehand that austin was capable of counterattacking unless you are scum. Therefore this is you making a mistake when fabricating what you should have thought at the time, ergo scum.
Additionally, the night actions make no sense.
N1 - N6 are okay.
N7: why guess Iamp when Clarity just took a shitload of damage and you guessed him the night before, while Iamp took 0 damage?
N8: austinmcc was nowhere in the picture yet. Why pick austin?
N9: if you picked austin on N9 and he died in D10, then you got it right, didn't you?
N10: phagga died at the end of D9, why on EARTH would you guess phagga on N10? It is completely senseless.
Oh, and I didn't find this. Syllo gets full credit for wondering how weirdly illogical your night guesses were. I just assumed you could shoot and guess on the same night, and you hadn't claimed your N10 action. Thanks for explaining and claiming scum not thinking his claim through. You get to join the illustrious company of risk, austin and SnB.
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Not that it matters, because we cannot actually kill him. Just nice to know.
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On December 12 2012 10:12 iamperfection wrote:
If hope uses his ability on lavos willi there be a next cycle?
Well, hope cannot use his ability on lavos next cycle, he has to hit himself first. So unless someone else can do 200 damage more than they did today, there will be 3 cycles.
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I posted this in my QT, but see no reason why it cannot be used to convince the whole thread to shoot Toad, rather than Lavos this cycle. I elaborated a bit on how much damage I need done as well:
Assuming I don't get roleblocked and Toad has no healing shenanigans, and assuming Toad was revived with full health, I need 125 damage from town to kill Toad next cycle.
However, let me argue for Syllo's proposal of damaging Toad tonight.
Town will be doing 475 or 500 damage to Lavos, depending on whether Adam (or someone else) is scum or not, without even using any abilities.
That means town has to deal 150 damage to Lavos in addition to the damage that will be heading his way regardless.
1. I will be doing 75 damage to Lavos tonight, because Dark Matter is my only nuke other than Black Hole (and it takes 3 targets: Toad, Lavos and myself).
2. H1 will be able to do 400 damage to Lavos tomorrow
3. Kita can Luminaire, whatever that does
4. Hapa can shoot for 100.
5. Syllo can do 150 damage.
That means Syllo and H1 alone can take out Lavos, I am going to assume Kita can too. Hapa and I together can take out Lavos. Furthermore, if Toad dies, I can aim all my damage at Lavos, 100 of which is guaranteed to hit regardless of roleblocks.
Given all of this, I don't think it's possible to miss out on killing Lavos tomorrow regardless of what we do today, however it is very possible to miss out on killing Toad tomorrow if we don't aim at him today. All it takes is one unfortunate roleblock.
So please help me  125 damage means I can take out Toad if I don't get roleblocked ever. 325 damage means I can take out Toad if I get roleblocked tomorrow, but not today. Therefore if town can help me with 325 damage I will know tomorrow whether I can guarantee a Toad kill. Once again, assuming Toad was revived at full health and there are no healing shenanigans.
If Toad did not respawn at full health, there's a chance he will die tonight, allowing me to aim all my damage at Lavos together with you guys.
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In closing: sheep Syllo, help Acro, win the game together!
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On December 12 2012 22:31 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 22:17 kitaman27 wrote:
I dealt 250 last night. We can add up the total kp output to determine the number of town players remaining if everyone claims their damage. Something is wrong then. Us two + 10 townies adds up to 850 damage, which would mean Hapa is the liar here if Oats punched lavos for 50 damage.
10 townied doesn't make sense. There's 14 people alive.
14 - Toad - me = 12.
If there is some secret scummer, that's 11.
Seems likely that Hapa nor Oats did damage (and if you read Oats' latest posts it seems quite likely he has just afk'd out of the game)
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Nvm. OP isn't updated, there's 13 alive.
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On December 12 2012 22:20 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 09:37 Acrofales wrote:On December 12 2012 09:09 Adam4167 wrote:On December 12 2012 00:54 syllogism wrote:On December 11 2012 23:14 Adam4167 wrote:On December 11 2012 21:12 syllogism wrote:
Okay so I went back and finally read a bit. At one point adam warned against attacking him, but apparently that was a false threat. Why did you lie about that, adam? Can you provide a full list of all your predictions so far? I lied to try and prevent someone I had a town read on from shooting at me. Syllogism Dieno Toad Toad Wrathed Austin for 200 damage Clarity Iamperfection austinmcc austinmcc phagga The last two were incredibly frustrating because I had to submit my night action and then go to bed before the lynch. Then the switch onto Phagga happened, making my austinmcc prediction wrong AND screwing up my next cycles prediction because he was already dead. I think that comes across in this post hereI'm not scum, feel free to roleblock the shit out of me, ill never get one of these predictions right anyway. Can you explain your role a bit more N1 Syllogism N2 Dieno N3 Toad N4 Toad N5 Wrathed Austin for 200 damage N6 Clarity N7 Iamperfection N8 austinmcc N9 austinmcc N10 phagga These are what you submitted in right? So if I had died on N1, you would have gotten a bullet for N2? So are you saying you submitted Phagga last night even though Phagga was already dead? The way it works is I submit on day 1, my pick to die from the beginning of N1, all the way through til the end of N2. This does not include the D1 lynch, as that resolves at the 47th hour of the day, and the night actions at the 48th. Then on the next cycle, I lose my predictive power and gain a shot that has to be spent, so I can resume predicting again. Why austin didn't counterattack me is beyond me. I was kind of expecting it regardless of his alignment. I took 100 damage and was roleblocked last night. Fairy certain Adam just claimed scum here. Here's the post in which austin claimed his actions for the first time ever: + Show Spoiler [austin's roleclaim] +On December 06 2012 02:10 austinmcc wrote:I can't account for the roleblocks or any missing actions. My role is different depending on the time period, but none of them match up. - While in 2300 AD or 12,000 BC I can counterattack anyone who dealt damage to me.
300 damage to the last person that dealt damage to me. If multiple people hit me in the same cycle, it's split amongst them. - While in 600 AD or 1000 AD I can heal/shield
150 HP heal or 75 HP shield. - While in 65,000,000 BC or End of Time, I can find out a target's current hp
Cycle 6 I shielded Syllo. Didn't know everyone's health values, dienosaur was dead before the end of cycle, and out of the people that were being treated as confirmed town, syllo seemed the strongest player to me. Cycle 7 I didn't do anything. Considered counterattacking Adam, making sure he was responsible for the damage on me like he claimed, but nobody counterclaimed the damage. Adam said he wasn't going to keep shooting me, so I figured best not to hit him. One reason I prefer cycles where a lot of people have items/abilities/something waiting for them is that those are the cycles that are useful. I guess I can use End of Time to check a player's HP or two, make sure they're not lying, but otherwise healing/shielding sounds way more useful than an HP check. Especially given that now it's kind of telegraphed. This is after it could have happened, thus there is no way you could have expected it to happen. You might have found it weird after the fact, but you couldn't have known beforehand that austin was capable of counterattacking unless you are scum. Therefore this is you making a mistake when fabricating what you should have thought at the time, ergo scum. Additionally, the night actions make no sense. N1 - N6 are okay. N7: why guess Iamp when Clarity just took a shitload of damage and you guessed him the night before, while Iamp took 0 damage? N8: austinmcc was nowhere in the picture yet. Why pick austin? N9: if you picked austin on N9 and he died in D10, then you got it right, didn't you? N10: phagga died at the end of D9, why on EARTH would you guess phagga on N10? It is completely senseless. Oh, and I didn't find this. Syllo gets full credit for wondering how weirdly illogical your night guesses were. I just assumed you could shoot and guess on the same night, and you hadn't claimed your N10 action. Thanks for explaining and claiming scum not thinking his claim through. You get to join the illustrious company of risk, austin and SnB. Right, I've figured out where the problem is. My guess order was: 1) Syllogism 2) Dieno 3) Toadesstern (this one was valid until the end of N4, when we lynched him) so this was the correct guess. 4) I submitted to Greymist - If toad survives this lynch, then predict toad. If toad dies, shoot Zboson. I shot Zboson on N4, not night 5, go back and reread it, I claim it at the time, right after the day post. 5) Clarity 6) Iamperfection 7) austin 8) austin 9) phagga Does that make a little more sense now?
Okay, I guess this makes sense. Your guesses still seem rather strange. Why never guess CaveJohnson, when it was clear the world was gunning for him? How come you predicted austin and phagga, as if you knew there were 4 lynches in a row? If you were gambling on lynches, why not risk.nuke in that first one?
But I guess suboptimal play doesn't make you scum and even if we assume you were scum, and you didn't shoot Zbo, I still cannot explain why Zbo didn't counterattack Oats. So whichever way we spin that, the lack of counterattack is weirder on Zbo's side than on yours.
Also, there seems to be damage missing on Lavos, so that makes Hapa more likely scum.
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EBWOP: Zbo is sometimes supposed to be austin in the above post.
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Actually, scratch that. Your latest explanation makes even LESS sense.
On D4 there WAS no lynch, it was a party selection and Toad survived the whole cycle, to be lynched in cycle 5.
Therefore, you CANNOT have gotten a shot in cycle 4. Nor do you claim the shot in cycle 4, but rather in cycle 5.
Cycle 5 started December 1, 08:59 forumtime
You claimed the shot on December 1, 12:27 forumtime
Also, there is no way Greymist accepts conditional actions or makes roles that require you to send in conditional actions.
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The second cycle 5 is actually cycle 6, so yeah, you shot Zbo in the night of of cycle 5, but I can see how looking back gets you confused. I did it wrong too
Anyway, I agree that your explanation of the role is giving me a headache. You're either scum making a brainteaser out of your fakeclaim or town with an impossibly convoluted role. I give up trying to figure out which and am focusing on Hapa. He seems to be the crux of the missing damage on Lavos.
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Hope cannot shoot Lavos yet, he has to charge up first. Thanks for aiming your hatter. Mind telling us how much damage it does?
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