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Hapa that happens in normal games too, framer mechanic.
Why are you mad that Keir just said he is leaning scum on you, like seriously.
Someone calls you scum in the game of mafia and your response is "fuck you"?
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No one is calling you scum except for keir, and he said LEANING scum. Yet you're screaming and shouting as if we're all ready to lynch you. It's such an overreaction I can't even begin to explain it.
I think there is a reasonable chance that you lied about being healed, there's also a reasonable chance there was a position swap mechanic or something along those lines.
It is however, not a ridiculous line of reasoning.
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2 min and 24 hours, right?
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You scared me there iamp, thought I was pulling a Dieno.
@ Hapa
It's late, and I don't want to go through phagga's filter. Setup speculation is easy, and in a themed game it is also useful to an extent. You wanna be pissed go right ahead but it's not helping anyone. THINGS happened and you are at the shitty end of it at the moment, just keep doing what you're doing because no one is going to lynch you on this alone. I do however plan on reading phagga's and your filter tomorrow and try to get to some conclusions.
Even Keir's "leaning scum" wasn't solely off of the setup stuff, so take a breath.
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On November 30 2012 09:04 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 09:03 Clarity_nl wrote:
You scared me there iamp, thought I was pulling a Dieno.
@ Hapa
It's late, and I don't want to go through phagga's filter. Setup speculation is easy, and in a themed game it is also useful to an extent. You wanna be pissed go right ahead but it's not helping anyone. THINGS happened and you are at the shitty end of it at the moment, just keep doing what you're doing because no one is going to lynch you on this alone. I do however plan on reading phagga's and your filter tomorrow and try to get to some conclusions.
Even Keir's "leaning scum" wasn't solely off of the setup stuff, so take a breath. maybe you should send actions in now you can always change it
What, just in case I get trapped down a hole for 24 hours? Ye of little faith
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On November 30 2012 21:24 Oatsmaster wrote:wait what? Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 02:59 goodkarma wrote:
##Lynch: Goodkarma
##Party Leader: Keirathi
It's a backup vote incase of any ability shenanigans that might happen during a hidden lynch.
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I misread, wasn't aware it was GK voting for himself. Could be town emo or scum gambit, it's dumb either way and should be ignored.
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On November 30 2012 22:56 Djodref wrote:
@Clarity
Some comments on my proposition ?
I don't see how commenting will help anyone. If I have questions I'll ask them though.
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Djo, is there anything you'll do differently depending on if you're on the party or not?
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GK, I said we should ignore you voting for yourself. I didn't say we should ignore you entirely.
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Seems way too overpowered.
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Judging by the fact that greymist actually posts numbers in the election vote counts, makes me think they cannot be tampered with. I am switching my lynchvote to phagga, I urge others to do the same. Toad's vote on syllo makes me nervous.
##Unvote
##Lynch phagga
##Party Leader Clarity
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On December 01 2012 05:26 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 05:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Judging by the fact that greymist actually posts numbers in the election vote counts, makes me think they cannot be tampered with. I am switching my lynchvote to phagga, I urge others to do the same. Toad's vote on syllo makes me nervous.
##Unvote
##Lynch phagga
##Party Leader Clarity I assume there's some followup as to why you picked phagga?
Not really. My vote on him is rather sheepish. If I couldn't lynch toad and I had to pick it would be phagga.
After going over hapa and phagga I find it likely that hapa is town (despite the healing issue) and his case on phagga is strong in my eyes. His defense especially strikes me as very scum-like.
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On December 01 2012 05:30 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 05:29 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Judging by the fact that greymist actually posts numbers in the election vote counts, makes me think they cannot be tampered with. I am switching my lynchvote to phagga, I urge others to do the same. Toad's vote on syllo makes me nervous.
##Unvote
##Lynch phagga
##Party Leader Clarity I assume there's some followup as to why you picked phagga? Not really. My vote on him is rather sheepish. If I couldn't lynch toad and I had to pick it would be phagga. After going over hapa and phagga I find it likely that hapa is town (despite the healing issue) and his case on phagga is strong in my eyes. His defense especially strikes me as very scum-like. I'd say the same thing about GK..in fact I pretty much do.
Yeah but I find you to be a kind of mystery so your word doesn't mean much to me right now. I've also focused on townreads much more this cycle for obvious reasons. From my (not extensive) reading, I find phagga more scummy than GK atm. I also think that if phagga flips red that makes gk much more likely to be town.
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On December 01 2012 05:35 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:30 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:29 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Judging by the fact that greymist actually posts numbers in the election vote counts, makes me think they cannot be tampered with. I am switching my lynchvote to phagga, I urge others to do the same. Toad's vote on syllo makes me nervous.
##Unvote
##Lynch phagga
##Party Leader Clarity I assume there's some followup as to why you picked phagga? Not really. My vote on him is rather sheepish. If I couldn't lynch toad and I had to pick it would be phagga. After going over hapa and phagga I find it likely that hapa is town (despite the healing issue) and his case on phagga is strong in my eyes. His defense especially strikes me as very scum-like. I'd say the same thing about GK..in fact I pretty much do. Yeah but I find you to be a kind of mystery so your word doesn't mean much to me right now. I've also focused on townreads much more this cycle for obvious reasons. From my (not extensive) reading, I find phagga more scummy than GK atm. I also think that if phagga flips red that makes gk much more likely to be town. oh...kay.
You don't understand, or you don't care to convince me?
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On December 01 2012 05:38 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 05:36 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:35 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:30 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:29 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Judging by the fact that greymist actually posts numbers in the election vote counts, makes me think they cannot be tampered with. I am switching my lynchvote to phagga, I urge others to do the same. Toad's vote on syllo makes me nervous.
##Unvote
##Lynch phagga
##Party Leader Clarity I assume there's some followup as to why you picked phagga? Not really. My vote on him is rather sheepish. If I couldn't lynch toad and I had to pick it would be phagga. After going over hapa and phagga I find it likely that hapa is town (despite the healing issue) and his case on phagga is strong in my eyes. His defense especially strikes me as very scum-like. I'd say the same thing about GK..in fact I pretty much do. Yeah but I find you to be a kind of mystery so your word doesn't mean much to me right now. I've also focused on townreads much more this cycle for obvious reasons. From my (not extensive) reading, I find phagga more scummy than GK atm. I also think that if phagga flips red that makes gk much more likely to be town. oh...kay. You don't understand, or you don't care to convince me? You evidently don't care, its a completely secondary thought of 'oh shit scum might pardon toad what do we do now' and have just sheeped a scumread.
I am willing to listen to an argument, but I'm not hearing one. Like I said I've been focusing more on townreads.
I think of all people, you should be one of the last to accuse me of not caring.
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On December 01 2012 05:44 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 05:39 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:38 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:36 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:35 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:30 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:29 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Judging by the fact that greymist actually posts numbers in the election vote counts, makes me think they cannot be tampered with. I am switching my lynchvote to phagga, I urge others to do the same. Toad's vote on syllo makes me nervous.
##Unvote
##Lynch phagga
##Party Leader Clarity I assume there's some followup as to why you picked phagga? Not really. My vote on him is rather sheepish. If I couldn't lynch toad and I had to pick it would be phagga. After going over hapa and phagga I find it likely that hapa is town (despite the healing issue) and his case on phagga is strong in my eyes. His defense especially strikes me as very scum-like. I'd say the same thing about GK..in fact I pretty much do. Yeah but I find you to be a kind of mystery so your word doesn't mean much to me right now. I've also focused on townreads much more this cycle for obvious reasons. From my (not extensive) reading, I find phagga more scummy than GK atm. I also think that if phagga flips red that makes gk much more likely to be town. oh...kay. You don't understand, or you don't care to convince me? You evidently don't care, its a completely secondary thought of 'oh shit scum might pardon toad what do we do now' and have just sheeped a scumread. I am willing to listen to an argument, but I'm not hearing one. Like I said I've been focusing more on townreads. I think of all people, you should be one of the last to accuse me of not caring. Promethelax and VE have extensive cases and GK has responded to both. Have you read and considered them? I'm not asking you to listen to my argument, I'm asking why you want to do what you're doing. If you lack the conviction to stand behind your read, why bother swapping off Toad?
Wait, I lack conviction now? I've read all the cases, I read both their filters, I came to the conclusion that phagga is scummier than gk right now. Could I be wrong? Sure. But he's my strongest read after Toad. That's why I'm voting for him.
I don't really see what you're getting at.
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Syllo I definitely see where you're coming from and I considered it, but I realized I was working from a pretty big assumption, namely that scum have to make us fail missions to win the game. Sure it's a big deal but I think if they off enough townies before Lavos they have a decent chance of winning as well. Maybe after the first two cycles they realized they couldn't take control away from town.
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They're both assumptions. Plus we already failed a mission, although it wasn't because of scum, obviously.
But by the time cycle 3 happened, how could scum try to inject themselves into running when the three people actually being voted on were Dieno, Oats and yourself. Scum wants to appear rather townie and I don't think hapa has done a good job of that, which shows by the fact that no one has considered taking him on a party. The closest he has gotten has been the day 1 election, but ever since he has not tried hard.
I think my main point for hapa being town was the way he responded when he got told his case seemed "like he felt forced to contribute", he basically admitted that he did, which seems very townie to me.
Anyway, I don't mean to be soft defending hapa, he is definitely not close to confirmed town or anything like that, but I think arriving at him due to process of elimination is the wrong way to go about it due to the themed setup requiring us to make assumptions.
On December 01 2012 05:58 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 05:48 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:39 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:38 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:36 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:35 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:30 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:29 Clarity_nl wrote:
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Not really. My vote on him is rather sheepish. If I couldn't lynch toad and I had to pick it would be phagga.
After going over hapa and phagga I find it likely that hapa is town (despite the healing issue) and his case on phagga is strong in my eyes. His defense especially strikes me as very scum-like. I'd say the same thing about GK..in fact I pretty much do. Yeah but I find you to be a kind of mystery so your word doesn't mean much to me right now. I've also focused on townreads much more this cycle for obvious reasons. From my (not extensive) reading, I find phagga more scummy than GK atm. I also think that if phagga flips red that makes gk much more likely to be town. oh...kay. You don't understand, or you don't care to convince me? You evidently don't care, its a completely secondary thought of 'oh shit scum might pardon toad what do we do now' and have just sheeped a scumread. I am willing to listen to an argument, but I'm not hearing one. Like I said I've been focusing more on townreads. I think of all people, you should be one of the last to accuse me of not caring. Promethelax and VE have extensive cases and GK has responded to both. Have you read and considered them? I'm not asking you to listen to my argument, I'm asking why you want to do what you're doing. If you lack the conviction to stand behind your read, why bother swapping off Toad? Wait, I lack conviction now? I've read all the cases, I read both their filters, I came to the conclusion that phagga is scummier than gk right now. Could I be wrong? Sure. But he's my strongest read after Toad. That's why I'm voting for him. I don't really see what you're getting at. At best, Hapa is the reason you've swapped a long-standing town read on phagga and you've offered little to no reasoning for it. I don't care that it's hypocritical of me, if people didn't think you were semi-confirmed town, you would never be able to pull this off.
Regardless of alignment, everyone changes their reads. I don't care what I should or shouldn't "get away with" and I find this line of thinking really weird from you. The only time I really said I felt phagga was town was cycle 1, when I wanted him instead of GK on hapa's party.
Phagga is currently my top scumread (after toad) because I was convinced by the cases made against him, which made me go and read his filter. You find that weird?
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I understand what you were saying when it came to the assumption, I just wanted to clarify.
The way you said it seemed liked "No, my thing isn't an assumption, yours is! Because mine is more likely"
In your line of thinking, the first two cycles are pretty damning for hapa (due to process of elimination, there has to be a scum "out there") but how do you feel about his play for the last week? He's not even suggesting he should be on the party.
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