I agree with you. Toad is not a good town kp target. I think everyone is just waiting for the result of the party we're sending out and waiting for a possible flip.

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

November 28 2012 18:45 GMT

#4508

On November 29 2012 03:44 syllogism wrote:
Clarity did you resolve as to why Hapa wasn't informed of you healing him?

Couple of possibilities, will expand on this before the cycle ends for obvious reasons.

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

November 28 2012 18:46 GMT

#4509

But I think it's safe to say he wasn't healed by me nor by iamp even though we both tried.

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

November 28 2012 18:46 GMT

#4510

On November 29 2012 03:43 CaveJohnson wrote:
Lynching toad is a wasted cycle

Wasted cycle = horrific for town

Even in a game as crazy as this that is still the case

Killing a 99.9% scum guaranteed is bad for town?

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

November 28 2012 18:48 GMT

#4512

On November 29 2012 03:47 CaveJohnson wrote:

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Through a lynch? Yes

You'd rather try to co-ordinate town KP to kill him? What if scum can defend him? He's the obvious target if we all agree on killing him that way. What if he has damage mitigation, what if after 2 cycles he's still not dead, do we then lynch him or jsut keep trying? It's too risky when there's no need to be risky. Just lynch him for a 100% guaranteed scum death which will more than likely lower scum kp.

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

November 28 2012 18:56 GMT

#4514

We can scumhunt without flip info just fine. Plus if town kp is smart we might get a flip anyway. But if we direct it, the same way you would try to direct blue roles in standard mafia, it will help scum more than town.

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

November 28 2012 19:03 GMT

#4517

On November 29 2012 03:59 CaveJohnson wrote:

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Scum won't risk protecting him with the huge likeliness of trackers / watchers in this game. Its not the safe move and they know it.

Hmmm, perhaps a fair point but the only "tracking" we've seen so far was prome's seed thing, right? But that blocks everyone targeting him including town kp though.

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

November 28 2012 19:07 GMT

#4519

Plus it would be easy for people questioned that they did damage to toad, as opposed to defending him. I dunno I'll think it through a bit, but Toad seems like a bad target for town kp

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

November 28 2012 20:49 GMT

#4526

Yeah targeting toad with everything we have is dumb. I'm sure there will be a lynch within the next two cycles. We know nothing of scum defensive capabilities.

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

November 28 2012 21:14 GMT

#4542

Because syllo is close to confirmed town.

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

November 28 2012 21:23 GMT

#4544

I agree, although cult is kind of a dumb word for this situation.

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

November 28 2012 21:30 GMT

#4549

On November 29 2012 06:27 CaveJohnson wrote:
You can recruit one person a day, to a maximum of four. Anybody who joins the cult maintain their original role and alignment but may communicate with other players in the cult. You may sacrifice a cultist to give yourself an extra life at any point, but this can only be used once.

The people in the cult do not know its a cult.

Just an example from PTP2.

Ah I see. Never seen that mechanic before. Just thought your word choice was weird.

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

November 28 2012 21:50 GMT

#4553

On November 28 2012 01:25 Hapahauli wrote:

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Well both of those guys (clarity and iamp) have town reads on me, so the heals make sense from that perspective.

From what I understand:
Post-D1: I took 0 damage. Either iamp's claimed heal was completely wasted OR it nullified any damage directed towards me.
Post-D2: I took 100 damage. No one healed me (or no one has claimed so), and Toad claimed he shot me for 100.
Post-D3: I took 50 damage, and nl_clarity healed me for an undisclosed amount, indicating that I took more than 50 damage.

Okay so with the information we have currently this post is false. That's not to say Hapa lied, but he's wrong.
Namely the host saying this (at my request)

On November 28 2012 02:07 GreYMisT wrote:
IF you take 150 damage and are healed for 100 damage in the same night, you will be told

You took 50 damage

You were healed.

So regardless of how much damage you take, if you get healed you get notified of the heal.

This means there are a couple of possibilities:
1. Hapa is lying - This wouldn't make a whole lot of sense, regardless of alignment
2. Some ability made it so Hapa cannot be healed (either it was used both times or it is permanent/lasts a couple of cycles. (this would be a scum ability no doubt)
3. Some ability redirects abilities used on hapa to someone else (again, has to be scum or it would have been claimed by now)

I think the safe thing to say is that we should not be using heals or protection on hapa anymore, but it does not make him scum as far as I can tell. If someone can see a reason why hapa would be lying about getting healed by townies, please do tell.

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

November 28 2012 22:27 GMT

#4557

Is that blockable?

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

November 28 2012 22:27 GMT

#4558

How much damage did you take last cycle cave?

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

November 28 2012 22:33 GMT

#4563

Cave this is important, does your ability get used instantly or at the end of the cycle? Like, if I instantly healed you now would your ability do less damage?