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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 02 2012 13:18 GMT
#5648
On December 02 2012 22:02 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 21:56 Promethelax wrote:
On December 02 2012 21:38 Acrofales wrote:
On December 02 2012 21:25 Promethelax wrote:
I assume that Clar actually took 325 damage but since my shield was there it was reduced to 125. Not sure how the notifications would work though. I'd have to ask GreY.

This seems very unlikely.

However, what would have been the result if clarity was shot during N5. Would the seed still be doing its roleblock thingy? Or would it already be a shield?


It would roleblock/vanish like it would the cycle I planted it. If I plant n1 it will role block anyone who visits the target n1, if no one targets the player it is still there n2 where it acts as if it was just planted. n3 it is a shield.

Okay, when exactly would it mature into a shield? Right after N2? Or at the end of D3?


No, that was bullshit I made up. It was directly activated, Dieno was protected from death from the second cycle. I wanted mafia to roleblocked me and attack Dieno or attack him one night over two.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 02 2012 13:19 GMT
#5651
On December 02 2012 22:05 syllogism wrote:
Also Djodref, were you not afraid of roleblocks at all? Were you that convinced that mafia has no roleblocker left?


No, my ability was not influenced by roleblocks, at the exception of the day I cast it. After that, Dieno was going to live through all the nights I was alive myself...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 02 2012 13:21 GMT
#5652
On December 02 2012 22:19 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 22:18 Djodref wrote:
On December 02 2012 22:02 Acrofales wrote:
On December 02 2012 21:56 Promethelax wrote:
On December 02 2012 21:38 Acrofales wrote:
On December 02 2012 21:25 Promethelax wrote:
I assume that Clar actually took 325 damage but since my shield was there it was reduced to 125. Not sure how the notifications would work though. I'd have to ask GreY.

This seems very unlikely.

However, what would have been the result if clarity was shot during N5. Would the seed still be doing its roleblock thingy? Or would it already be a shield?


It would roleblock/vanish like it would the cycle I planted it. If I plant n1 it will role block anyone who visits the target n1, if no one targets the player it is still there n2 where it acts as if it was just planted. n3 it is a shield.

Okay, when exactly would it mature into a shield? Right after N2? Or at the end of D3?


No, that was bullshit I made up. It was directly activated, Dieno was protected from death from the second cycle. I wanted mafia to roleblocked me and attack Dieno or attack him one night over two.


Do you read the thread?


Sorry, I don't read the thread when I answer questions and I thought that this one was addressed to me...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 02 2012 13:26 GMT
#5655
On December 02 2012 22:22 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 22:12 Djodref wrote:
On December 02 2012 21:59 Acrofales wrote:
On December 02 2012 21:54 Djodref wrote:
Ok, let's get this straight.

I took 20 damage cycle 1 and I claimed it at the beginning of cylce 2. Acro, iamp and Clarity have claimed the same damage.
I took 30 damage cycle 2 and I claimed it at the beginning of cycle 3. Acro, iamp and Clarity have claimed the same damage.
Nothing happened to me during the cycle 3 and 4. I claimed that I was going to protect Dieno and and we got the messages from the hosts at the openings of cycles 4 and 5. I insisted that Dieno should be on the team because my ability was to keeping him alive (but at 1HP) every night as long as I was alive.
I was healed (heal claimed by iamp) during cycle 5.
I took 100 damage from the bosses (Slash and/or Flea) during cycle 6. That's what I forgot to claim.
I lied about how my ability worked to force the mafia to waste some KP on Dieno.

My only ability this game was a one-time game ability allowing me to keep a player alive as long as I was alive myself. Hence the reason why I wanted to be on the party. Because some protecting me was in fact protecting Dieno and me.
Unfortunately, I don't provide protection for daytime damage. I didn't imagine a single moment during the last cycle that we were going to take daytime damage. Or I would have been 100% against Dieno in the party. I knew he was not going to die if I didn't but I didn't expect this at all. Sorry for this situation...
I chose Dieno because I thought Masamune would be an important item for us to defeat Lavos so I wanted to keep him alive so he could use it. I'm dispointed right now and you shouldn't waste your time on my filter imo.
I claim to have save Dieno twice. No counter-claim and you can see now that I know the mechanics that explain the protection.

I'm Alfador, Janus's Cat during the Antiquity or Dark Ages. I had to chose a new master after the disparition of Janus in the time portal created at the manisfestation of Lavos.

@Clarity

So who is the most frail between us ?

When did you use the action to protect Dieno?

And why are you roleclaiming now when you could have bamboozled scum into thinking someone like Syllo was protected?


@Acro

I decided to use my ability on Dieno during the second cycle.
And I roleclaim now because I cannot protect anyone anymore and the mafia attacked Dieno even when I announced that he was protected. I don't want to start lying about protection I cannot give...


Okay, so he was either protected during N2, or from cycle 3 onwards. Either way, the message in the daypost only seems to show up if Dieno actually takes damage that would othewise kill him.

That leaves damage missing on Dieno if SnB is telling the truth.


Not necessraly, because Dieno could have used his ability "Slurp" and redirected the target to someone else. Dieno did not take any damage D2 but maybe because he managed to redirect the only harmfull action directed against him. I could see Dieno using Slurp on Toad at the end of the cycle 2 for example.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 02 2012 13:32 GMT
#5656
On December 02 2012 22:26 syllogism wrote:
It seems strange to me to use that powerful ability on Dienosore, even with the frog claim. It also seems dubious that your role isn't affected by roleblocks. I do not believe that you have actually asked the host whether it is. I guess we will know more after today.


Of course, I have asked weither or not it was affected by roleblocks after the activation of the ability !
Dieno was my strongest town read at the end of D2 and I chose him because he was Frog and had to repair his Masamune. I've guessed it would happen if he was going to be alive long enough.
Also I suspected that other players were going to protect marv or you, and I was not as confident in my read on you that I was on my read on Dieno at that time.
But, yeah, I wouldn't say that I've played my role at his best...

At least mafia wasted KP on Dieno twice ^^
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 02 2012 13:49 GMT
#5660
On December 02 2012 22:43 syllogism wrote:
Djodref: What is your time period?


It is not precised in the PM I got from my role. I didn't know Chrono Trigger before joining this game so I did some reasearch about the cat of Prince Janus. Because my PM says only "You ara Janus's Cat!"
So I found on the wiki that you meet Alfador during the Antiquity when you see Janus for the first time. I've started to play the game this week end also by the way ^^
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 02 2012 13:52 GMT
#5662
On December 02 2012 22:45 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 22:26 Djodref wrote:
On December 02 2012 22:22 Acrofales wrote:
On December 02 2012 22:12 Djodref wrote:
On December 02 2012 21:59 Acrofales wrote:
On December 02 2012 21:54 Djodref wrote:
Ok, let's get this straight.

I took 20 damage cycle 1 and I claimed it at the beginning of cylce 2. Acro, iamp and Clarity have claimed the same damage.
I took 30 damage cycle 2 and I claimed it at the beginning of cycle 3. Acro, iamp and Clarity have claimed the same damage.
Nothing happened to me during the cycle 3 and 4. I claimed that I was going to protect Dieno and and we got the messages from the hosts at the openings of cycles 4 and 5. I insisted that Dieno should be on the team because my ability was to keeping him alive (but at 1HP) every night as long as I was alive.
I was healed (heal claimed by iamp) during cycle 5.
I took 100 damage from the bosses (Slash and/or Flea) during cycle 6. That's what I forgot to claim.
I lied about how my ability worked to force the mafia to waste some KP on Dieno.

My only ability this game was a one-time game ability allowing me to keep a player alive as long as I was alive myself. Hence the reason why I wanted to be on the party. Because some protecting me was in fact protecting Dieno and me.
Unfortunately, I don't provide protection for daytime damage. I didn't imagine a single moment during the last cycle that we were going to take daytime damage. Or I would have been 100% against Dieno in the party. I knew he was not going to die if I didn't but I didn't expect this at all. Sorry for this situation...
I chose Dieno because I thought Masamune would be an important item for us to defeat Lavos so I wanted to keep him alive so he could use it. I'm dispointed right now and you shouldn't waste your time on my filter imo.
I claim to have save Dieno twice. No counter-claim and you can see now that I know the mechanics that explain the protection.

I'm Alfador, Janus's Cat during the Antiquity or Dark Ages. I had to chose a new master after the disparition of Janus in the time portal created at the manisfestation of Lavos.

@Clarity

So who is the most frail between us ?

When did you use the action to protect Dieno?

And why are you roleclaiming now when you could have bamboozled scum into thinking someone like Syllo was protected?


@Acro

I decided to use my ability on Dieno during the second cycle.
And I roleclaim now because I cannot protect anyone anymore and the mafia attacked Dieno even when I announced that he was protected. I don't want to start lying about protection I cannot give...


Okay, so he was either protected during N2, or from cycle 3 onwards. Either way, the message in the daypost only seems to show up if Dieno actually takes damage that would othewise kill him.

That leaves damage missing on Dieno if SnB is telling the truth.


Not necessraly, because Dieno could have used his ability "Slurp" and redirected the target to someone else. Dieno did not take any damage D2 but maybe because he managed to redirect the only harmfull action directed against him. I could see Dieno using Slurp on Toad at the end of the cycle 2 for example.

No. You're either lying about the way your ability works, or not thinking straight.

If you targeted Dieno and your protection is the ability that got randomly moved, then the rest of the game you would be protecting someone other than Dieno.

On D4 and D5 the daypost said someone protected Dieno. Either that someone isn't you (seems unlikely) or your ability hit Dieno and stuck there.


Sorry, I was talking about S&B ability, not mine.

I was persuaded that my ability went trough and stuck on Dieno because I thought he was saved during the second cycle. I thought that the mafia KP missing had been sent on Dieno. In fact, I'm pretty sure now that the mafia targeted syllo and that he was nicely jailed by Keir.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 02 2012 13:53 GMT
#5664
On December 02 2012 22:51 syllogism wrote:
So it doesn't say that you are Alfador?


No, it's just saying that I'm Janus's Cat and it explains my ability.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 02 2012 13:59 GMT
#5667
EBWOP: by the way, my PM also says that I don't protect my target from dying from day actions and lynch. But I've never imagined that the event would inflige us daytime damage or I would never have pushed Dieno into the party.
I pushed him to be in the party because I was sure he was going to survive if I survived myself. That's why I was requiring for protection so much and I thought I would get this protection if I campaigned a lot for being in the party myslef.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 02 2012 14:00 GMT
#5669
On December 02 2012 22:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why not Sandro? I targeted him d1


No, GK and me were Dieno's topscumreads at that time, Acro is right.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 02 2012 14:42 GMT
#5673
On December 02 2012 23:29 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 00:15 Djodref wrote:
On November 30 2012 00:10 iamperfection wrote:
hey if anyone thinks im not town say it now.

If not i say its time i get in the party.


I think that we should prioritize people who need to be in the party for ability related stuff or because they have bad ass role like robo or frog with a possible high hidden value.
I believe that you are town but I would prefer you to remain non "confirmed" town if you don't mind. I think that the protection type roles like you and me shouldn't try to get under the spotlight too much. I would vote a party with you as a member though...

Why did neither of these two things apply to you Dienosore? You are just a cat with presumably a low hidden modifier and you are also an extremely powerful protective role.


They applied to me. But I wanted Dieno to be in the party because I knew he was going to survive the night. I wanted to make sure that all the party members chosen by Clarity would be alive. I think it was better to officialy state that Dieno was protected again by me. But, by doing this, I was afraid that the mafia would target me. Because it would have been easier for them to see that my protection was extremely powerful. And me dead would have meant Dieno dead. I didn't want to say that I required protection too much so I've decided to show myself as very likely to be a party member, so a good target to protect.
So, at that time, I've decided to out myself even more. To ensure that I would not die and also to prevent the other protective roles from taking care of Dieno...

Between the post you quoted and the time when I decided to push Dieno and me in the party, I've changed my mind because I thought it was very important to make sure that the party member chosen would be alive for today.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 02 2012 14:48 GMT
#5674
On December 02 2012 23:24 syllogism wrote:
Djodref you said that you "also suspect that I could get an ability if [you] get the chance to have a seat on the party". Why did you suspect that?


I honestly thought that something could happen if I was in the same party as my master. Also I thought that my era was coming soon...
But it was also to push people into protecting me, without saying it out loud.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 02 2012 15:00 GMT
#5679
On December 02 2012 23:50 syllogism wrote:
Your PM allegedly doesn't even say what your era is and presumably also nothing about you getting more abilities in that era. Your answers are highly unsatisfactory, but I guess we will see. Pretty convenient that Dieno ended up dying and mafia didn't even feel like shooting at anyone on the party.


Oh yeah, because as a mafia player, I totally knew that Dieno was going to take damage during daytime. My saves on Dieno have not been counterclaimed. Please have a look at the construction of the sentence:

On December 01 2012 08:59 GreYMisT wrote:
*snip*

Dienosore is Protected by a Mysterious Player, and was prevented from dying
*snip*


The tense of this sentence implies that the protection is not temporary, in opposition to the fact that he had been prevented from dying (this event happened twice).

I feel already terrible about what happened because I have been the one pushing for it so much. Dieno is dead partly by fault and I have wasted my ability (my only one-time per game ability). And I'm afraid all this is going to backfire if we don't complete the event in a successful manner.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 02 2012 15:03 GMT
#5680
EBWOP: Do you think that mafia has a possibility to shoot during daytime without outing themselves ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 02 2012 15:07 GMT
#5681
On December 02 2012 23:50 syllogism wrote:
Your PM allegedly doesn't even say what your era is and presumably also nothing about you getting more abilities in that era. Your answers are highly unsatisfactory, but I guess we will see. Pretty convenient that Dieno ended up dying and mafia didn't even feel like shooting at anyone on the party.


First, yeah, I would appreciate if we could see what happen tomorrow first.
And second, I'd like to remind you that the saves have been confirmed by the hosts and not counter-claimed by anyone. Also, I have announced my saves before they happened. So, even if I'm mafia, I have this ability, and I chose to use it twice on Dieno and our team wasted 475 KP on him just to get me in a party.
Also, my ability doesn't make sense for a mafia player.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 03 2012 00:33 GMT
#5801
gg guys !

Go go town ! Get this fucking Lavos !
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 13 2012 03:56 GMT
#7610
On December 13 2012 11:17 Dienosore wrote:
Hey mafia, how angry were you that I wouldn't die lol

If they didn't send me on that silly mission with 1hp, I probably would have lived forever


I shouldn't have claimed taking care of you at all. I don't think I played my role at best, it was a very powerful one.

Thank to the hosts ! Really great game !

Thanks to everyone !

Really impressed by Acro performance Town MVP for sure
austin <3
Risen, I knew that you were mafia ! Nice job by getting back to the confirmed town side ^^

I think that the game would have been different in some mafia players would have been on the party D1. D1 was the easiest event ever and I think it had a big influence on the rest of the game.

What would have happened if I had chosen Magus as my master ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 13 2012 05:32 GMT
#7614
On December 13 2012 13:55 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 13:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
On December 13 2012 13:17 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 13 2012 12:56 Djodref wrote:
On December 13 2012 11:17 Dienosore wrote:
Hey mafia, how angry were you that I wouldn't die lol

If they didn't send me on that silly mission with 1hp, I probably would have lived forever


I shouldn't have claimed taking care of you at all. I don't think I played my role at best, it was a very powerful one.

Thank to the hosts ! Really great game !

Thanks to everyone !

Really impressed by Acro performance Town MVP for sure
austin <3
Risen, I knew that you were mafia ! Nice job by getting back to the confirmed town side ^^

I think that the game would have been different in some mafia players would have been on the party D1. D1 was the easiest event ever and I think it had a big influence on the rest of the game.

What would have happened if I had chosen Magus as my master ?


You would have been masoned with him and gained his wincon

Would he have joined the Magus Party, and shared a "Magus survives" win or would both Magus and his cat have had to survive to claim victory?


They would each be a survivor with the same wincon of "survive to see queen zeal dead"


Nice ! I regret not to have protected Acro ^^
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 13 2012 09:51 GMT
#7623
@ syllo

Maybe, but TC almost managed to get into a party after that
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