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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 29 2012 03:55 GMT
#4701
Oh, Djo, I meant to ask earlier: please provide the breadcrumbs for your saves. Thank you. After that we'll talk about confirmed or not.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 29 2012 04:01 GMT
#4703
On November 29 2012 12:55 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 12:51 Promethelax wrote:
On November 29 2012 12:42 iamperfection wrote:
On November 29 2012 12:18 Promethelax wrote:
fix your tags so I can read anything in there.

this
its unreadable just fix it


Thankfully GK doesn't actually have responses so they are easy to find. I am also amused by his 'I edit a million times' thing versus lol fuck you guys just deal with my fail tags.

What about my case is strong and why does it convince you?

I have some reservations about Syllo. I'm not sure how I feel about his sudden town read on me (as evidenced by me not being RB'd last cycle) I think scum would have wanted to RB me anyway since they know that I am town. I'm pretty confused about not being RB'd at all.


I do edit my stuff heavily.

Doesn't meant that I spout massive quotes and make text walls for my scum suspects to have to deal with when making cases against them...


here:
GK is scum because of his flipping and flopping on Sandroba, Syllo and Djo without reason.
GK is scum because of his attempts to direct blue actions.
GK is scum because he has a town read on people he wants to be shot
GK is scum because he provides useless lists full of so many reads that he doesn't have any ideas of his own.
GK is scum because he has knowledge of the scum kp.
that is the case.
I honestly should have spoilered the rest of it. Attack the length all you want but those are the points you need to address which you have still not addressed.

Also note that the case has already convinced at least two of your 'town reads' so maybe think about it. My case clearly served its purpose to push you as the next major scum. Now if we still have cops you'll be a done deal because they will either check you or me and either realize I'm town or you are scum. Either way we get to lynch you next time we have a chance.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 29 2012 04:04 GMT
#4706
On November 29 2012 13:03 kitaman27 wrote:
@Prom, I owe you a response tomorrow. I'm pretty tired at the moment.

In the meantime, has GK revealed any night actions yet? I don't recall.



No, he has not.

I look forward to your reply.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 29 2012 04:08 GMT
#4710
On November 29 2012 13:06 iamperfection wrote:
you have reservations about sylo prom?


I do. I've posted them before but yeah, I want some input though because I am made out of paranoia and might just be totally wrong. (if you aren't sure about how paranoid I am go look at ACME where I intentionally got Acro to roleclaim roleblocker so that scum would kill him if he was town).
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 29 2012 04:23 GMT
#4715
On November 29 2012 13:21 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 13:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lynch GK.
Seriously, what makes you so much better than Dieno? He is basically confirmed town, you are on the verge of scum.
If you are town, why is Dieno confirmed and you are not?


Not even going to go there.

I would suggest to you that you consider the veracity of my claim before you go lynch-happy.


And also consider that Acro is not town. He claims 3rd party, but he could very well also be scum. And both could plausibly ruin the success of the party.


Where is your response to 1)the second half of my case 2)everything since that time 3)why you are using being unhappy there is a case on you as an excuse to avoid the case on you.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 29 2012 04:40 GMT
#4718
I actually quoted that from the conclusion of my first case. Seriously: reading=good.

You did not give reasons for your flip flopping on Sandroba and Syllo that were viable at all.

You tried to direct town kp AWAY from scum. That is not a town action.

I don't believe you. You aren't kush. You don't get to do this kind of thing.

You would have a point if your list wasn't 11 players long and all null reads.

yes, that point is weaker than the others but it is an ancillary part of the case. None the less you did seem to have fore-knowledge of scum KP.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 29 2012 04:41 GMT
#4719
Also, Adam has a very good point about a proper town reaction about being the third townie on a failing team.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 29 2012 04:45 GMT
#4721
On November 29 2012 13:41 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 13:26 Adam4167 wrote:
On November 29 2012 13:04 goodkarma wrote:
Might as well roleclaim now:

My name is Fiona. I have a vigilante-type role.

Night 3, I was responsible for 150 points of damage on CaveJohnson.

So here's what I propose:
1) You see if anyone comes forward to counterclaim the damage.
2) If someone does one of us is scum. Lynch accordingly.
3) If not, I am incredibly tired of having to deal with ignorant people... I'm going to role claim now, so that later as confirmed town I'm entitled to draw giant pictures of dinosaurs, and run around failing parties like I've been lobotomized.


See you guys later after I've calmed down.


Why are you so mad at Dieno? He made a mistake, it happens.

You were sent on a mission with 2 semi-confirmed townies, and being in a better position then all of us due to knowing your alignment, you should have been able to make a definitive call as to whether Acro positively or negatively affects missions.

I feel like the right response would have been to come in, be adamant that you are town and try and dump this mess on Acro. Yet your first post after the mission result is:

On November 29 2012 09:14 goodkarma wrote:
So now what?

Toad very well could be lying. He could have 1 HP or 700 HP... There's no way of knowing.

I say lynch him anyway.


##Vote: Toad



"So now what?" does not feel like the right reaction to someone that feels like they've just been 'framed' by the mission failure.


I did affirmatively say it was Acro. I've said it several times. Why would it be my first reaction to "dump it on him?" Acro claimed 3rd party. He's clearly not town. How in any way shape or form did it suddenly become obviously my fault?


It didn't. This is a strawman you have been attacking since I made my case. Note how I didn't mention that at all in my case? Good.

Your reaction to being on that failed party though was not town motivated. Adam did a rather decent job of explaining it.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 29 2012 04:55 GMT
#4724
On November 29 2012 13:53 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 13:45 Promethelax wrote:
On November 29 2012 13:41 goodkarma wrote:
On November 29 2012 13:26 Adam4167 wrote:
On November 29 2012 13:04 goodkarma wrote:
Might as well roleclaim now:

My name is Fiona. I have a vigilante-type role.

Night 3, I was responsible for 150 points of damage on CaveJohnson.

So here's what I propose:
1) You see if anyone comes forward to counterclaim the damage.
2) If someone does one of us is scum. Lynch accordingly.
3) If not, I am incredibly tired of having to deal with ignorant people... I'm going to role claim now, so that later as confirmed town I'm entitled to draw giant pictures of dinosaurs, and run around failing parties like I've been lobotomized.


See you guys later after I've calmed down.


Why are you so mad at Dieno? He made a mistake, it happens.

You were sent on a mission with 2 semi-confirmed townies, and being in a better position then all of us due to knowing your alignment, you should have been able to make a definitive call as to whether Acro positively or negatively affects missions.

I feel like the right response would have been to come in, be adamant that you are town and try and dump this mess on Acro. Yet your first post after the mission result is:

On November 29 2012 09:14 goodkarma wrote:
So now what?

Toad very well could be lying. He could have 1 HP or 700 HP... There's no way of knowing.

I say lynch him anyway.


##Vote: Toad



"So now what?" does not feel like the right reaction to someone that feels like they've just been 'framed' by the mission failure.


I did affirmatively say it was Acro. I've said it several times. Why would it be my first reaction to "dump it on him?" Acro claimed 3rd party. He's clearly not town. How in any way shape or form did it suddenly become obviously my fault?


It didn't. This is a strawman you have been attacking since I made my case. Note how I didn't mention that at all in my case? Good.

Your reaction to being on that failed party though was not town motivated. Adam did a rather decent job of explaining it.


If I'm this "clear scum" you seem to believe I am then answer me this:

Where did those 150 points damage come from?

I have yet to hear any kind of counterclaims...


Could be what you actually did. If CJ is town and has some kickass abilities (which he certainly claimed) hitting him as scum isn't that bad a move. It also leaves you free to claim that shot to 'prove' your townieness since there is a plausible explanation for town to do what you did since Draz is notoriously hard to read.
Scum have kp, scum also probably have damaging abilities. Could have been either of those.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 29 2012 04:59 GMT
#4725
Okay, you've replied. I've explained my points. I'm going to stop helping you shit up the thread now.

Other players: I'd like your comments on GK's claim and what that does/doesn't do to exonerate him. I'd also like those of you who haven't weighed in on it yet to tell me what you think of him from my case.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 29 2012 05:03 GMT
#4727
Post your mason logs.

If scum had a 3p read on CJ (which I did) it would make perfect sense.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 29 2012 05:11 GMT
#4729
Post your mason logs. Syllo and Risk can confirm them later.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 29 2012 05:13 GMT
#4731
On November 29 2012 14:12 goodkarma wrote:
Also, what good would publicly claiming my target be? That's a great way of getting him bussed or me indirectly RB'ed by an ability similar to your own.


who asked you to do that?
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 29 2012 05:46 GMT
#4734
Oats: I know you are reading the thread. Would you comment on some of the goings on please.

Syllo/Risk please confirm and elaborate on the mason logs.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 29 2012 06:08 GMT
#4736
Has anyone ever seen Zbo be so...under the radar? I guess he has exams but he also didn't say that pre-game and, along with VE, SnB and Risk his lurking is worrying me. It isn't something I expect from any of the three of them, though I guess Risk being in a mason qt makes sense for this.

You four: I'd like more from you. Like I straight up had forgotten SnB was playing this game when he posted earlier. Nothing any of these four players have done has stuck with me which is not what I would expect. They are the kind of players whom I expect more from.

Does anyone have any insight the could share?
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 29 2012 06:21 GMT
#4740
'sup Syllo. I'm here for 40 more minutes if you have any questions make 'em snappy.

GK, when you wake up: I'd like a reply to Oats' question of you. Why did you choose to shoot CJ, who else have you targeted and why do you think that your claim makes you town?
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 29 2012 06:26 GMT
#4742
I was more curious about you d1/2 BC. You are right your last cycle crumb was pretty clear. I just prefer having these things claimed.

I think we should leave off on our team plans until after this cycle. Since we have a lynch this cycle it is like a normal mafia game and giving town reads right now is pretty crap. We need scum reads right now. Besides Toad. Go forth young Djo, find scum, build cases etc. etc.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 29 2012 06:37 GMT
#4745
I protected a member of the (proposed) party. Based on Iamp's "what if we want to heal a party member" I figured I wasn't the only one protecting party members. I decided not to go for Dieno since Djo had claimed he was doing that and I figured Oats had the highest HP. Kier claimed a low success modifier and 600AD character. I still don't really trust you. I figured Clarity made the most since based on all of that.

Do you disagree?
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 29 2012 06:40 GMT
#4748
Djo: I've had a town read on Acro the whole game. I think Hopeless is way scummier than Acro and that if Hope flips scum we'll be confirmed that Acro is not scum. If hope flips town I'll have to re-evaluate but for now I'm taking Acro at face value, though I'd be more comfortable with him if he hadn't said that he player super pro town as scum. His 3p claim makes sense from his play, whether or not he is pro town or not I think remains to be seen but right now I have no reason to think he should be eliminated over scummier players. If we kill five scum (my bet for scum numbers in a 25 person game) and haven't won and he is still around yeah, we should take another look.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 29 2012 06:43 GMT
#4750
On November 29 2012 15:40 syllogism wrote:
Actually I forgot that you don't protect against factional KP, doesn't matter much then and I think the shield is more useful


so, anything else that needs a quick answer? I have 20 minutes.

Why did you think that clarity was a bad target?
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