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On December 05 2012 01:32 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 01:29 Keirathi wrote:
How was he twisting your words in that post? He was asking a legit question: do you think there's any way s&b can be town? If so, why? No. But there are third parties out there. There may even be a second scum faction that we know nothing about yet (although it seems unlikely). Going to say that snb is sure scum just seems wrong in that context. We don't know what alignement snb has except that it is very unlikely town.
I understand that S&B isn't 100% confirmed scum. It is very likely that he is scum, but he's not confirmed in a game like this until he flips.
But I'm super confused by your "twisting my words" thing.
Here's what went down:
GK: "s&b is sure scum"
you: "Why is s&b sure scum?"
GK: "Here's my reasons. Do you think he could be town?"
you: "Quit twisting my words and leave me the fuck alone"
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I just dont understand your response.
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On December 05 2012 02:09 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 01:32 phagga wrote:On December 05 2012 01:29 Keirathi wrote:
How was he twisting your words in that post? He was asking a legit question: do you think there's any way s&b can be town? If so, why? No. But there are third parties out there. There may even be a second scum faction that we know nothing about yet (although it seems unlikely). Going to say that snb is sure scum just seems wrong in that context. We don't know what alignement snb has except that it is very unlikely town. It is strange you bring this up with regards to SnB, yet never mentioned anything like it with Toad. Why were you sure Toad was scum, yet are now bringing up 3P and second scumteams that we have NO evidence of (note, I made the previous post prematurely and hadn't read the rest of the discussion yet).
Don't be dumb Acro.
Toad had a parity check that said he was the same alignment as sandro, and your role check had him listed as red.
Maybe parity checks work the same across scum/3p/potential scum team, but it's unlikely. He was directly linked to sandro.
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On December 05 2012 06:52 Promethelax wrote:
I like Draz. When he decides to participate he often has great ideas. Gems in the rough.
However, Draz, you aren't actually giving me anything to work with. I still want to know who you think is scum.
In aperture 2, he thought we were playing with 4 scum teams and he was the only townie...
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On December 05 2012 07:43 Promethelax wrote:
Well lets help Iamp out, I like him, he likes the present. Come on guys, lets make GreY work for this day post.
You don't like me?
Iamp just thinks *MAYBE* he can get a bonus if he's in a party in the present. I *KNOW* I get bonuses if I'm in a party during 600 AD. Remember how I got to jail someone after cycle 1?
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One thing that is worrying me about drazerk:
In every single game, no matter if they are town/town or scum/town, draz and S&B yell at each other and fight because they HATE each other. There was none of that this game?
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On December 05 2012 09:27 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 09:25 Keirathi wrote:
One thing that is worrying me about drazerk:
In every single game, no matter if they are town/town or scum/town, draz and S&B yell at each other and fight because they HATE each other. There was none of that this game? That's what I meant with the weird interaction between the two. Also, it's more of a love-hate relationship.
Yea I didn't actually see your post before I started writing mine 
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On December 05 2012 10:08 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 09:51 Hopeless1der wrote:
Kita, I believe you have silver points. Do you know what you can do with them? Nope.  Anyone wanna sell me something?
I've got some ocean front property in Arizona I could sell you....
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What was your secondary wincon?
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On December 06 2012 03:18 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 03:16 Hapahauli wrote:On December 06 2012 03:09 Acrofales wrote:On December 06 2012 03:07 Hapahauli wrote:On December 06 2012 03:03 Acrofales wrote:On December 06 2012 03:00 Keirathi wrote:
What was your secondary wincon? If I say that, it is ridiculously easy to guess my rolename. Is that a bad thing? I mean if you're fearful of another player killing you, certainly you claiming third party and being so overt about it would have ended with you dead already. Absolutely true. The fact that I took 0 damage for a few cycles despite claiming is making me less paranoid about there being someone wanting to kill me. However, if there are more SnB-like abilities out there, I prefer they hit other people than me. Call it a survivor mentality  Are you Ozzie? Magnus makes way more sense. His secondary would be to be included in a party or to outlast frog. Both of those make sense lore wise and have been accomplished.
I believe he said yesterday before the S&B lynch that his secondary wincon hadn't been activated yet. Dieno was already dead by then.
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I assume we have to Epoch to a different time period each cycle, correct?
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On December 07 2012 07:17 Promethelax wrote:
I'm pretty sure he is. This play is not in line with the tooth an nail fighting crazy bastard of a town Risk.
I dunno what risk you've played with, but that's not my experience
My experience is town risk about to get lynched comes in at the last minute and calls everyone fucking retards and storms off.
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On December 08 2012 23:04 kitaman27 wrote:
Keirathi, as you were in two parties, what was your second ability? Are these abilities one use?
Its strange that his role is so nerfed compared to everyone else. He also has the failed event to take into account.
I'm a JOAT of sorts.
I have a track (1), jk (2), 200 hp vig (3), and an alignment check (4). The numbers inside the parentheses are how many "points" the ability costs for me to use it. I get one point for being in a party, or two points for being the party leader. If the time period is 600AD, those points are doubled (So I got 2 points for the day 1 party, letting me using a jail, etc).
The second time I was in the party, I tracked Hapa. It was the same night Syllo tracked him though, and my result was that Hapa didn't target anyone.
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I think I am more inclined to vote austin than phaggy.
Scum not having any kind of protection/healing role seems weird. And if they do have one, they probably can't use it on themselves. So it would have had to been used on a townie (or not used at all, but that would be dumb...need the town cred) assuming that there is only 1 scum left.
And I agree with GK, that "summon Lavos early" line of thinking makes literally 0 sense. Scum wincon is still to kill all of the townies, not to summon Lavos, and it's a pretty reasonable assumption that the more townies alive when he's summoned, the more likely he is to die. Scum would want to stay alive and kill as many townies as possible before they went out.
##Vote austinmcc
##Epoch Prehistory
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I'm actually buying Hapa's points, despite my vote on austin a bit ago. I liked iamp's point about Z-Bo's last post too, because I had completely forgotten about that.
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##Vote phagga
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On December 09 2012 07:17 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Convincing stuff austin :D
##Unvote
##Vote: Phagga
##Travel To: Prehistory I know Oats is supposed to vote in the Voting thread, but he left his vote here. Can't you make an exception for him if he fails to vote in the voting thread in time?
Ugh I just don't think scum would have made this post either. By pointing out the Oats vote, phagga is getting himself lynched...
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On December 09 2012 07:26 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 07:25 Keirathi wrote:On December 09 2012 07:17 phagga wrote:On December 08 2012 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Convincing stuff austin :D
##Unvote
##Vote: Phagga
##Travel To: Prehistory I know Oats is supposed to vote in the Voting thread, but he left his vote here. Can't you make an exception for him if he fails to vote in the voting thread in time? Ugh I just don't think scum would have made this post either. By pointing out the Oats vote, phagga is getting himself lynched... really dude? Feels to me like a classic self vote as false town tell. Like seriously that post convinced me that switching my vote was worth my time.
How often do scum self-vote themselves? I can't think of any game I've seen it besides GSL 3 when Marv hammered himself in an instant-lynch scenario. And I've seen multiple townies do it (including myself).
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On December 09 2012 07:27 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 07:25 Keirathi wrote:On December 09 2012 07:17 phagga wrote:On December 08 2012 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Convincing stuff austin :D
##Unvote
##Vote: Phagga
##Travel To: Prehistory I know Oats is supposed to vote in the Voting thread, but he left his vote here. Can't you make an exception for him if he fails to vote in the voting thread in time? Ugh I just don't think scum would have made this post either. By pointing out the Oats vote, phagga is getting himself lynched... No, it was 8/8, and austin was on 8 first, so I think it would still have been him. That is, until Prom switched his vote.
Oh, you're right. When I went to check, I checked the most recent vote count in the voting thread and it said 8/6. I assumed that wasn't counting Oats, since that was the post that had said "OATS ISN'T VOTING GETTING MODKILLED", but I didn't realize it had gotten edited and Oats vote added in to make it 8/6.
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Zzz why can't this game just be over...
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On December 09 2012 08:42 Hapahauli wrote:
Who did you roleblock Syllo (and kita)?
Syllo's already claimed Austin and said he didn't go anywhere.
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On December 09 2012 08:57 kitaman27 wrote:
This game really comes down to defeating lavos. Mafia is going to lose their factional kp so they are less of a threat.
One option we have is to lynch Acro. We know he doesn't contribute to the town damage output formula against Lavos. Lynching him might be the least risky option if the remaining mafia player is one of Keirathi/Adam/Prom/Hapa/Hope. With some luck, he might even turn out to be an anti-town player. I think this might be our best option.
I love how you just keep randomly throwing my name in there.
I answered your question about my role btw. Dunno if you read it since you didn't comment.
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