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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 01:22 GMT
#3907
On November 27 2012 10:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 10:15 Promethelax wrote:
On November 27 2012 10:12 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 27 2012 10:10 Keirathi wrote:
On November 27 2012 10:06 Hapahauli wrote:
I would like to run for party leader

My party will be Dienosaur, Kei, and either Chronicler or Acro
If you for whatever reason do not feel safe with Chronicler/Acro, I can add Oatsmaster in that slot.

Why you can trust me
I think the parties I proposed above are as near confirmed town as we can get in this situation. Given this player pool, you can trust me. Why? Because if we failed the mission, I would be holding a neon-sign saying "LYNCH ME." This is suicidal for me to do as scum.

I see no reason to put 2 non successful party members in the party today (You, and Chronicler/Acro). And, you couldn't replace Acro/Chronicler with Oats. The only possible way you could replace them would be with syllo.


Oh I totes confused names for some reason. Yes Syllo instead of Chronicler/Acro.

Whaddya think? I'm in a position where I'm not under suspicion, and I (as hypothetical scum) would only have everything to lose by presenting myself like this.


you have nothing to lose at all. Note how Toad confirmed himself as scum and is still around.

NO ONE VOTE TOAD!

I want to vote Toad purely out of spite. No one is confirmed anything except for marv and kush.

Hey Toad, you still need a vote to prevent damage?


are you fucking retarded? Toad doesn't ninja vote with a dumb face if he is town.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 01:37 GMT
#3921
On November 27 2012 10:32 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 09:56 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 27 2012 09:49 Acrofales wrote:
On November 27 2012 09:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
TC has claimed Acro and I are opposite alignments. AT LEAST one of them is scum to me. I think its more likely to be Acro. I know we don't want to lose the event and that I'm probably considered more likely to be scum than TC or Acro, but I'd like to be on the party for the sake of "proving" I'm town.

Dafuq?

Like seriously. DAFUQ? I cannot get my head around how mindblowingly stupid this post is.

1. OPPOSITE alignment. Unless you have reason to believe there are 2 scumteams, that means 1 of us is town, the other scum OR 1 of us is town, the other 3rd party, OR 1 of us is scum and the other 3rd party. It *might* be possible for 2 third parties to be considered "opposite alignment". No clue on the specifics there. So no, there is AT MOST 1 scum between you and me. For the record, that scum is you.

2. You think? Really? I KNOW I'm not scum. I don't have to "think that it may perhaps be slightly more likely that I am not scum", because I fucking know it. This overly cautious phrasing is you claiming scum, because you cannot figure out a town mindset.

3. Yeah, trolololol. Lets fail the event, because Hopeless1derp wants to "prove" he's town. Once again, thinking like a townie? Failed. Miserably I might add.

Verdict: scum

PS. The failure to think like a townie is what I caught this guy on in Acme, so it even fits his meta.

I know I'm town. I'm only proving it to the rest of you. You're a dead man upon my flip, as I'm sure you're aware.


What do you think about the possibility of one of you being framed, or even the possibility for TheChronicler to lie ?


it is physically impossible for all three of TC, Acro and Hope to be town. TC says that he is town and one of Acro/Hope is scum. Acro has a check witch confirms another of TC's checks so for him TC and Acro must be town while Hope must be scum. For Hope he must be town and either TC is a liar, and therefore scum, or Acro is scum.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 01:45 GMT
#3925
the above isn't very clear but three hypothetical situations from each view point:

Acro: I have a red check which confirms TC's other check so he is the parity cop and Hopeless is a different alignment than I am.

TC: I have a check which says that one of Acro or Hopeless is scum.

Hopeless: TC claims to have a parity check on me and Acro if TC is town that must mean that Acro is scum. If his check is a lie TC is setting up a mislynch on either of us followed by the other.

As to why Dieno should still be leader, I am not the only protective role in the game. We can make sure that he is protected/healed and gets his item. I'd like some confirmation form Syllo/Oats that the item is chactar based but there is a good chance in my mind for that to be the case. Also: do not vote someone unconfirmed by past events in as party leader, that is just dumb, if it is going to succeed no need to give the reward to the guy we're least sure of.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 01:58 GMT
#3930
On November 27 2012 10:55 TheChronicler wrote:
I'm going to claim my last night action since it's relevant and why I feel I shouldn't be party leader, but should be on the team.

100 gold Funnel cake You target a player. Places a 100 damage shield on target player (stays on them). You take 100 damage.

Night Results
You used Funnel cake!

You took 150 damage!


so, you bodygaurded someone for 100 hp and that means you should be on the team?

also you do know that it is against the rules to quote any pm you get from the hosts right? Don't do that.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 01:59 GMT
#3932
On November 27 2012 10:57 Hapahauli wrote:
Will players who did not vote get modkilled and/or replaced (like VE)?


he voted and posted, you haven't been reading the thread (also obvious in your mixing up names event). This is not your town play. You are not town. You should not be a member of this party.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 02:01 GMT
#3934
Kita: could you respond to my question about your mini games please. If you think this is someone elses ability why did it not get used last cycle?
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 02:02 GMT
#3937
On November 27 2012 11:01 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 10:37 Promethelax wrote:
On November 27 2012 10:32 Djodref wrote:
On November 27 2012 09:56 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 27 2012 09:49 Acrofales wrote:
On November 27 2012 09:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
TC has claimed Acro and I are opposite alignments. AT LEAST one of them is scum to me. I think its more likely to be Acro. I know we don't want to lose the event and that I'm probably considered more likely to be scum than TC or Acro, but I'd like to be on the party for the sake of "proving" I'm town.

Dafuq?

Like seriously. DAFUQ? I cannot get my head around how mindblowingly stupid this post is.

1. OPPOSITE alignment. Unless you have reason to believe there are 2 scumteams, that means 1 of us is town, the other scum OR 1 of us is town, the other 3rd party, OR 1 of us is scum and the other 3rd party. It *might* be possible for 2 third parties to be considered "opposite alignment". No clue on the specifics there. So no, there is AT MOST 1 scum between you and me. For the record, that scum is you.

2. You think? Really? I KNOW I'm not scum. I don't have to "think that it may perhaps be slightly more likely that I am not scum", because I fucking know it. This overly cautious phrasing is you claiming scum, because you cannot figure out a town mindset.

3. Yeah, trolololol. Lets fail the event, because Hopeless1derp wants to "prove" he's town. Once again, thinking like a townie? Failed. Miserably I might add.

Verdict: scum

PS. The failure to think like a townie is what I caught this guy on in Acme, so it even fits his meta.

I know I'm town. I'm only proving it to the rest of you. You're a dead man upon my flip, as I'm sure you're aware.


What do you think about the possibility of one of you being framed, or even the possibility for TheChronicler to lie ?


it is physically impossible for all three of TC, Acro and Hope to be town. TC says that he is town and one of Acro/Hope is scum. Acro has a check witch confirms another of TC's checks so for him TC and Acro must be town while Hope must be scum. For Hope he must be town and either TC is a liar, and therefore scum, or Acro is scum.


What about frames ?


true enough, possible but unlikely. LC, never forget.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 02:04 GMT
#3940
On November 27 2012 11:02 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 10:59 Promethelax wrote:
On November 27 2012 10:57 Hapahauli wrote:
Will players who did not vote get modkilled and/or replaced (like VE)?


he voted and posted, you haven't been reading the thread (also obvious in your mixing up names event). This is not your town play. You are not town. You should not be a member of this party.


Oh did he? I must have completely missed him then.

But if you're going to call me scum, put up or shut up. I've been dealing with these passive accusations by you the entire game and they're getting old real fast.


it isn't a case. It is: you are better than this. This is not your town play. You have been in and out, not laying heavy pressure on people, not trying to be the guy who takes control and skating by. These accusations aren't passive your play does not match your town play. It doesn't match your scum play either but after mario I assume you've been working on that.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 02:13 GMT
#3944
your case on Hopeless was good.

I don't know that you are scum.

I know that you are too far from your townie self for me to trust you. It isn't just the misreading/missing that I don't like. You are a guy who gets his reads from putting pressure on people which you have not done this game.

Also: I've been hiding this thought and accusing you since d1?

Kita: I'd love to hear the results of your investigation.

Dieno: I won't vote you if you take Djo.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 02:17 GMT
#3950
On November 27 2012 11:14 Dienosore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 11:09 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 27 2012 11:04 Promethelax wrote:
On November 27 2012 11:02 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 27 2012 10:59 Promethelax wrote:
On November 27 2012 10:57 Hapahauli wrote:
Will players who did not vote get modkilled and/or replaced (like VE)?


he voted and posted, you haven't been reading the thread (also obvious in your mixing up names event). This is not your town play. You are not town. You should not be a member of this party.


Oh did he? I must have completely missed him then.

But if you're going to call me scum, put up or shut up. I've been dealing with these passive accusations by you the entire game and they're getting old real fast.


it isn't a case. It is: you are better than this. This is not your town play. You have been in and out, not laying heavy pressure on people, not trying to be the guy who takes control and skating by. These accusations aren't passive your play does not match your town play. It doesn't match your scum play either but after mario I assume you've been working on that.


Oh shut the fuck up Prom. Do you have a case or will you keep up with this OMGUS stuff? Hell I misread stuff as town all the time, and apparently my play is not "good enough" simply because I missed VE's silent vote on Oats in the voting thread.

So tell me - apparently you've been hiding this secret thought that I've been scum, yet you've never made a case on me, and even agreed with my case on Hopeless less than 24 hours ago. Describe to me how that's a town thought process.


Just to pile a few more things onto Prome:

You were literally the only person in the game still attacking him, even while you weren't even on his public scumdar. How do you explain your accusations towards Marv on d2?


is all of that directed at me and about Marv? I was still attacking marv because I was not convinced he was town. I was wrong. Not that this should sway you but I don't attack the strongest town players who have more town cred than I do as scum, I learned my lesson from my newbie game with Hapa.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 02:18 GMT
#3951
On November 27 2012 11:14 Hapahauli wrote:
Ya know what fuck this, I'm going to pull out every quote you have on me from your filter. The shit you're pulling right now is absolute bullcrap from a town perspective.


go for it. But I still don't trust you.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 02:33 GMT
#3954
sorry Hapa maybe that wasn't clear. I don't know that you are scum. I am pretty sure you are not town. Not town =/= scum.

Dien: poll=bad idea no way to old people accountable for their votes/choices
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 02:35 GMT
#3956
also a top scum read is different than totally my top scum read this guy 100%. I think you understand what an indefinite article is.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 02:38 GMT
#3958
ew Oats. I get not wanting TC. But you prefer Hapa? Really? I guess I actually need to make a case on him if you think that taking him along is a good idea.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 02:54 GMT
#3966
On November 27 2012 11:41 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 11:35 Promethelax wrote:
also a top scum read is different than totally my top scum read this guy 100%. I think you understand what an indefinite article is.


I was your TOP SCUMREAD.

That's a pretty fucking significant statement. So you're telling me you never bothered to pursue or push your "TOP SCUMREAD" for TWO DAYS?

Yeah ok buddy.


you were a top scum read. Why would I bother to push my read on you as scummy, you were scummy and I could do nothing about it. Until you started pushing yourself as a leader (again) when I brought that back up because you should not be leader and, were it up to me, you'd also not be in the party.

No one who is new to the party should be the leader. That is fucking dumb. We have guys who have been partially confirmed by the game mechanics and we have to choose someone to receive a reward which helps town, do we set one of the partially confirmed guys up to take it or do we give it to the other guy who really wants to be a leader?

I'm going through your filter now.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 03:08 GMT
#3973
My read didn't matter. You were scummy and I did not use my ability to protect you. Now, when you tried to put yourself in a party I opposed you. Similar to when, in a normal game, we would propose lynch candidates in this game we oppose quest members. I oppose you for quest member.

When we had a chance to lynch I was more confidant in Sand being scum than you being scum.

Your insistence that scum would not want to push themselves onto the party because 1 for 1 is dumb and you know it.

re-reading your filter I don't think I can make a strong case on you Hapa. The thing is I also can't make a strong town case for you. I'm battling my usual Hapa=scum mentality but I can't decide which way I've erred. Either way you are not my top scum read right now. Toad is scum. After Toad there are a few people I would am looking at: you, Syllo, Zbo and the TC/Hope/Acro triangle.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 03:09 GMT
#3975
On November 27 2012 12:01 Hapahauli wrote:
EDIT: Gah posted Newbie game stuff in wrong thread. SOrries!


lulz, just let BH tell us it was your penis.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 03:13 GMT
#3978
well now that I go look at it objectively yes. Through the whole game I've felt that he was scummy. There are a few things I can point out and say they are super scummy (trying to take leader position over 'confirmed' town) but there are a few that I can point to and go 'oooooooooooh so townie' (opposition to Toad early).

Now I'm null, or go back and forth wanting to hang him and hug him my heart and my head can't agree, but want to look deeper into him after some more flips give me some context.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 03:14 GMT
#3980
On November 27 2012 12:11 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 12:08 Promethelax wrote:
My read didn't matter. You were scummy and I did not use my ability to protect you. Now, when you tried to put yourself in a party I opposed you. Similar to when, in a normal game, we would propose lynch candidates in this game we oppose quest members. I oppose you for quest member.

When we had a chance to lynch I was more confidant in Sand being scum than you being scum.

Your insistence that scum would not want to push themselves onto the party because 1 for 1 is dumb and you know it.

re-reading your filter I don't think I can make a strong case on you Hapa. The thing is I also can't make a strong town case for you. I'm battling my usual Hapa=scum mentality but I can't decide which way I've erred. Either way you are not my top scum read right now. Toad is scum. After Toad there are a few people I would am looking at: you, Syllo, Zbo and the TC/Hope/Acro triangle.


ROFL wow. You push me a scummy and not-town the entire game, and then the second I confront you to come up with acutal analysis, you completely change your mind and cop out.


look, if I was scum I'd cherry pick your filter and build a damn good case. I'm giving you my honest read. Which is: confused.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 03:24 GMT
#3982
I am not building one because the one I made didn't convince me. there are things in your favour and things that point to you being scum. I am not going to make a case that I'm not convinced of (though I tried to in ACME) my gut read on you is anti-town and there are things to back that up. My case comes out null though and therefore I am not going to push you.

Do you really think that I am such a bad scum player that when pressured I would make no case? Go look at XIX, I can make one hell of a convincing case as scum. There is nothing to be gained by not making one if I am scum.
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