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On November 28 2012 02:38 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 02:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 28 2012 01:50 Acrofales wrote:On November 28 2012 01:46 risk.nuke wrote:On November 28 2012 01:43 Acrofales wrote:On November 28 2012 01:39 risk.nuke wrote:
If you're third party and you're good for town why don't you want to say what you want to do, you're asking us to trust you leaving you alive is in towns best interest. What third party have 1-shot cop. I can't say what I need to do, because anybody with Chrono Trigger lore knowledge will probably be able to figure out who I am. As there's probably mechanisms to prevent that from being a good idea, you'll just have to trust me. Have I given you any reason not to trust me? Lets put it this way, If you were third party who's objective would hurt town. Would you claim that or something in the lines of what you just did? I would lie my ass off. However, I would probably not be leaking 3rd party on all sides. I am a better player than that and you should know it. I played the way I did precisely because I am helping town. If you have any specific accusations, go ahead and make them. You were suspected as scum even with the play you've played. Playing worse might had gotten you lynched already. You're asking us to trust you but you should understand there is no way that's going to happen. Really? I was in danger of being lynched? I want some of what you're smoking. Votes on Acro D2: 0. People who wanted to take me to the prom D3: 2 claimed before I put an end to it. The next lynch is pretty much locked in on Toad, so I didn't have to fear that either. When exactly was I in ANY danger of being lynched?! I was clearly suspected of being scum. Only person who even voiced that was Syllo and he said it without having read my filter. Stop throwing suspicion around unwarranted. Anyway, who said that I would have played WORSE? I would probably have played a lot SAFER. Like, I would not have looked so ridiculously townie that people wanted to take me along for the ride on D3, forcing me to claim I didn't want to. So. Why are you misrepresenting what happened just to be suspicious of me? In fact, what have you DONE this game? Are you the guy who has to kill me?
Hey, you forgot about me! 
In all seriousness, I'm not really sure what to do about you. I mentioned the things I found off about your play this game to Hapa. And third party could definitely explain them. My problem, of course, is that so could scum.
In a game with a limited amount of lynches, as it seems, third party survivor makes a ton of sense for scum to fake-claim.
Anyways, does your role PM specifically mention someone "hunting" you, so to speak? If so, why the hell did you claim at all? If not, why is your default assumption that there is someone looking for you?
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On November 28 2012 03:48 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 03:30 TheChronicler wrote:On November 28 2012 03:06 Acrofales wrote:On November 28 2012 03:03 TheChronicler wrote:On November 28 2012 02:38 Acrofales wrote:
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Are you the guy who has to kill me? Someone has to kill you and you claimed? How about you read my claim. It's explained there. /VERY tired of people not reading the thread. Are you referring to this part of your claim? "because I suspect there are other people out there who have to kill me" I'm not seeing what you could be referring to otherwise, and I still don't understand why you claimed. You say the cat was out of the bag, but it was all speculation. The cat WAS out of the bag. Speculation or not, there were at least 3 people thinking I was 3P. Scumteam probably already had it figured even earlier. Djodref basically phrased his question oddly, but he did ask me whether I was 3P. Saying no would have made things worse if I ever have to claim in the future, which was looking increasingly likely with the parity check. The parity check alone also weighed in on my decision. Better to claim 3P now and get that evidence off the table against Hopeless1der. I think he's scum. I think he should be killed. But I don't want people killing him because of your check, and I definitely don't want people going after ME if he were to flip town. Claiming 3P afterwards would have looked terrible. "Scum trying to get out of being lynched" would be the first thing that would come to my mind if I were townie having mislynched one side of a parity check. I really want that excuse out of the way. Also, go ahead and check me against Toad if you don't believe me. I would be much obliged.
He's said MULTIPLE times that he's out of gold to use for checks....
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On November 28 2012 04:00 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 03:58 Acrofales wrote:On November 28 2012 03:52 Hapahauli wrote:On November 28 2012 03:42 Keirathi wrote:On November 28 2012 02:38 Acrofales wrote:On November 28 2012 02:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 28 2012 01:50 Acrofales wrote:On November 28 2012 01:46 risk.nuke wrote:On November 28 2012 01:43 Acrofales wrote:On November 28 2012 01:39 risk.nuke wrote:
If you're third party and you're good for town why don't you want to say what you want to do, you're asking us to trust you leaving you alive is in towns best interest. What third party have 1-shot cop. I can't say what I need to do, because anybody with Chrono Trigger lore knowledge will probably be able to figure out who I am. As there's probably mechanisms to prevent that from being a good idea, you'll just have to trust me. Have I given you any reason not to trust me? Lets put it this way, If you were third party who's objective would hurt town. Would you claim that or something in the lines of what you just did? I would lie my ass off. However, I would probably not be leaking 3rd party on all sides. I am a better player than that and you should know it. I played the way I did precisely because I am helping town. If you have any specific accusations, go ahead and make them. You were suspected as scum even with the play you've played. Playing worse might had gotten you lynched already. You're asking us to trust you but you should understand there is no way that's going to happen. Really? I was in danger of being lynched? I want some of what you're smoking. Votes on Acro D2: 0. People who wanted to take me to the prom D3: 2 claimed before I put an end to it. The next lynch is pretty much locked in on Toad, so I didn't have to fear that either. When exactly was I in ANY danger of being lynched?! I was clearly suspected of being scum. Only person who even voiced that was Syllo and he said it without having read my filter. Stop throwing suspicion around unwarranted. Anyway, who said that I would have played WORSE? I would probably have played a lot SAFER. Like, I would not have looked so ridiculously townie that people wanted to take me along for the ride on D3, forcing me to claim I didn't want to. So. Why are you misrepresenting what happened just to be suspicious of me? In fact, what have you DONE this game? Are you the guy who has to kill me? Hey, you forgot about me! In all seriousness, I'm not really sure what to do about you. I mentioned the things I found off about your play this game to Hapa. And third party could definitely explain them. My problem, of course, is that so could scum. In a game with a limited amount of lynches, as it seems, third party survivor makes a ton of sense for scum to fake-claim. Anyways, does your role PM specifically mention someone "hunting" you, so to speak? If so, why the hell did you claim at all? If not, why is your default assumption that there is someone looking for you? I think Toad fits a 3rd party read to a T. The guy is incredibly active, and largely pro-town, with some slightly "off" things in his filter. That's a really classic example of a third party. But since we all think that Toad is 99.9% scum, consider this: Acro was the first person to build a significant case and push Toad's lynch. On top of this, he did this on D2, when Sandroba was the consensus lynch. There is no conceivable way that Scum would turn down an easy bussing opportunity to bus another of their teammates. Makes no damn sense from a mafia perspective. Herpaderp. PARITY CHECK. SAME as Sandroba. The 0.1% chance is in the event that he got double-framed or something. Super super unlikely yes, but just acknowledging the remote possibility. You seem to be arguing semantics though, since I wouldn't dream of lynching/killing anyone else before him.
I assume you meant Acro in that first sentence, not Toad, right?
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On November 28 2012 04:15 Acrofales wrote:
Keirathi: I just reread your posts. What in my interactions with Hapa has been weird. In fact, I can't even remember having any significant interactions with Hapa at all.
I have to admit that I have payed little attention to Hapa this game. I was on high alert D1 when he suddenly went nuts and wanted to run for leader at the last moment. I then reread him to see if I wanted to lynch him and decided I didn't. I dismissed him as someone to be figured out later. That later has not yet happened.
Nono, I meant I pointed out to Hapa last night the reasons that I thought that between you and Hopeless, I wasn't positive that you were the one that was town. But you either didn't read it, or didn't consider it to have credible points, because you commented on sandro having a scum read on you but didn't mention me.
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@Acro: For reference (read the entire conversation in the quotes):
On November 27 2012 13:49 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 13:37 Hapahauli wrote:On November 27 2012 13:34 Keirathi wrote:On November 27 2012 13:31 Hapahauli wrote:On November 27 2012 13:27 Keirathi wrote:On November 27 2012 13:25 Hapahauli wrote:On November 27 2012 13:22 Keirathi wrote:
TC has a parity check on Acro and Hopeless. They are different alignments. Ohhhh. So Hopeless is scum then. Well guess my last thing on him was quite wrong then. I'm pretty on the fence about which one of the two are scum. I mean, a case can definitely be made for Hopeless being scum. Hell, they HAVE been made. But I could make a case that Acro is scum too :o Not to mention the fact that TC checked Acro vs Hopeless is weird as fuck to begin with. Well the check makes sense given Hopeless's rather strange attitude toward Acro (and Z-Bo). Given the two, I'd take Acro as the townie in a heartbeat. There is of course the outside chance that there's a mafia-framer type ability somewhere, but thankfully all this is after we lynch Toad ofc. Yes, checking Hopeless makes sense. Checking him against someone who's still an "unknown" rather than against one of the near-confirmed town people is what doesn't make sense. Why not check him against, say, Dieno? And there are just too many weird things about Acro for me to ignore. Do tell. To me he seems pretty engaged with things. I don't know what he's capable of as scum, but his filter looks pretty townie at first glance. First, the whole One-Shot Role Cop with a red check on Toad, but doesn't claim it until AFTER TC comes in claiming a parity check with Toad being scum. One-Shot Cop with a red check is an insanely easy way to claim towncred, especially if your teammate has already been outed and likely to be lynched. I will admit that he could have just been thinking "oh, there's no lynch today, so no real reason to claim right now" if he was town and then only claimed he also had a red check on Toad because TC had already claimed. It's hard to determine which one is more likely though, so its a minor point, but I'm paranoid  Then, he refused to be put into the party yesterday. And refuses to explain why. I'm not the only one who thought that was fishy. Again, a minor point, but it makes me second guess my earlier town read, because I don't see much motivation for a person who knows that he is town to flat out refuse to be in the party, without giving some kind of explanation. And then, of course, the parity check. Like I said, none of the things in and of themselves are super strong points, but how many little "weird, logically improbable" things does it take before that person becomes scum?
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On November 28 2012 04:20 Hapahauli wrote:
Btw Kei, do you agree with me on Acro or not (regarding mafia motivation for his case on Toad)?
Occam's Razor says yes, you are right.
I could make other assessments, but I don't feel like they are particularly super likely, nor constructive.
But his claim with the assumption that someone is "hunting" him just doesn't make sense.
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On November 28 2012 04:54 TheChronicler wrote:
I'm an idiot.
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On November 28 2012 05:00 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 04:58 Acrofales wrote:On November 28 2012 04:56 Clarity_nl wrote:
Except for the fact that we know Dieno took a boatload of damage already. Ok. My vote is on Keir, though. I realize and I would prefer that over Dieno, although obviously not over myself. I think the votes on Dieno are misguided. Like people don't want to think about it anymore, laziness
Dieno has also claimed that he has been healed significantly enough to where he doesn't feel he's in much danger of dying, and he was under the impression that the gift item was lore related, and would therefor give him his Masamune.
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On November 28 2012 05:04 Clarity_nl wrote:
Oats also claimed his item had nothing to do with lore...
Right. But not before people had already started voting Dieno. And I don't think Dieno has been back yet? I'm not sure, and too lazy to go back and look because it really doesn't matter that much who is the party leader other than Oats/Syllo.
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On November 28 2012 06:03 Dienosore wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 05:53 Acrofales wrote:On November 28 2012 05:48 TheChronicler wrote:
Alrighty well unless Keir comes in with something that says why he needs the reward I don't see a way for Die to get his sword repaired other than the reward.
##unvote
##vote: Dienosore In the game there's an entire questline devoted to fixing the sword. I suspect that if we wait long enough, we'll get Melchior to fix it. I don't know why the party and the sword are related. Dieno, do you get the feeling you should do something to fix it? Or just wait around til the game fixes it for you? I definitely don't feel like I can just sit around, regardless of whether or not the game will fix it for me. Simply, I'm afraid I wont last that long since we seem to be creeping through the story line. My only other lead so far are these ultra mysterious items. On the other hand, I'm aware I could be completely wrong about it and the item is just a potion or something dumb like that. Either way, I promise to expose what the item is and everyone gets some knowledge. So... win/win?
No. No no no.
You explaining what the item is doesn't help town at all, and only gives mafia information about how much to prioritize killing the people who have them.
You should never, ever say what the item is/does.
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On November 28 2012 06:07 Dienosore wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 06:02 TheChronicler wrote:On November 28 2012 05:53 Acrofales wrote:On November 28 2012 05:48 TheChronicler wrote:
Alrighty well unless Keir comes in with something that says why he needs the reward I don't see a way for Die to get his sword repaired other than the reward.
##unvote
##vote: Dienosore In the game there's an entire questline devoted to fixing the sword. I suspect that if we wait long enough, we'll get Melchior to fix it. I don't know why the party and the sword are related. Dieno, do you get the feeling you should do something to fix it? Or just wait around til the game fixes it for you? I get that, but half the reason I was voting Keir initially was so we could get the benefit of his abilities. Also, he says he has a low modifier so I wanted to get him on the team with the confirmed people. Turns out we can't do that I hadn't taken into account that marv died when I first said that. I still think Keir should be on the team so we can get the benefit of his abilities, but I don't think he needs the reward (potentially) as much as Die does. I agree with you, Keir should be on the mission. My current proposed group is Oats/Keir/Syllo
How many times do we have to tell you: YOU CAN'T TAKE OATS.
You and Oats cannot both be in the party today.
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On November 28 2012 06:53 Toadesstern wrote:
I voted for myself. I think I should be party leader. Also I have to make sure to post once in a while! Hello guyses.
Teehee.
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Chronicler: can you explain to me why you checked Hopeless and Acro against each other?
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On November 28 2012 09:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
@Hapahauli
Your observation about Prom's opinion of you is compelling. How convinced are you of this Acro connection you're seeing re: the Toad case? Let's assume Toad flips third party as you suspect: who would you rather lynch? Prom or Acro?
It really doesn't do us any good if your one post per day is going to be so blatantly misconstrued. We get it, you're not reading the thread.
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On November 28 2012 09:38 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 09:32 strongandbig wrote:
i wasn't really trying to make a whole case
it's just that the way hopeless responded to having a red check on him (back when a lot of people thought acro was town) didn't seem to me like how a townie would respond Agreed. I made that case already. I do admit that it came in the middle of my drunk spamming spree, so I don't blame anybody for missing it: Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 09:49 Acrofales wrote:On November 27 2012 09:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
TC has claimed Acro and I are opposite alignments. AT LEAST one of them is scum to me. I think its more likely to be Acro. I know we don't want to lose the event and that I'm probably considered more likely to be scum than TC or Acro, but I'd like to be on the party for the sake of "proving" I'm town. Dafuq? Like seriously. DAFUQ? I cannot get my head around how mindblowingly stupid this post is. 1. OPPOSITE alignment. Unless you have reason to believe there are 2 scumteams, that means 1 of us is town, the other scum OR 1 of us is town, the other 3rd party, OR 1 of us is scum and the other 3rd party. It *might* be possible for 2 third parties to be considered "opposite alignment". No clue on the specifics there. So no, there is AT MOST 1 scum between you and me. For the record, that scum is you. 2. You think? Really? I KNOW I'm not scum. I don't have to "think that it may perhaps be slightly more likely that I am not scum", because I fucking know it. This overly cautious phrasing is you claiming scum, because you cannot figure out a town mindset. 3. Yeah, trolololol. Lets fail the event, because Hopeless1derp wants to "prove" he's town. Once again, thinking like a townie? Failed. Miserably I might add. Verdict: scumPS. The failure to think like a townie is what I caught this guy on in Acme, so it even fits his meta.
You were drunk when you posted that? No wonder your reading comprehension skills were so bad
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On November 28 2012 09:42 Acrofales wrote:
I see I kinda fubar'd it up too. My point was: the post is way too carefully phrased to be a townie who thinks he was framed or I were scum. Seeing that check as a townie, the first thing that would come to my mind is "Hopeless1der is scum". Lets yell that as loud as I can. What we CAN see from H1's post is that he does NOT consider 3p, therefore he *should* be yelling this at the top of his lungs.
A simple: ok, TC, your check means Acro is scum or I was framed. The very lack of that is just extremely telling. Combine that with all the overly careful wording and we have a scum who cannot for the life of him imagine how a townie would react and posts this drivel instead.
The way I read his post is "So, TC has a parity check on me and Acro. Either TC is lying about his check and is scum, or Acro is scum."
That seems like a pretty reasonable attitude to me.
There are tons of other things in Hopeless' filter that point to the possibility of him being scum, but I don't think that is it.
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On November 28 2012 09:45 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 09:42 Keirathi wrote:On November 28 2012 09:38 Acrofales wrote:On November 28 2012 09:32 strongandbig wrote:
i wasn't really trying to make a whole case
it's just that the way hopeless responded to having a red check on him (back when a lot of people thought acro was town) didn't seem to me like how a townie would respond Agreed. I made that case already. I do admit that it came in the middle of my drunk spamming spree, so I don't blame anybody for missing it: On November 27 2012 09:49 Acrofales wrote:On November 27 2012 09:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
TC has claimed Acro and I are opposite alignments. AT LEAST one of them is scum to me. I think its more likely to be Acro. I know we don't want to lose the event and that I'm probably considered more likely to be scum than TC or Acro, but I'd like to be on the party for the sake of "proving" I'm town. Dafuq? Like seriously. DAFUQ? I cannot get my head around how mindblowingly stupid this post is. 1. OPPOSITE alignment. Unless you have reason to believe there are 2 scumteams, that means 1 of us is town, the other scum OR 1 of us is town, the other 3rd party, OR 1 of us is scum and the other 3rd party. It *might* be possible for 2 third parties to be considered "opposite alignment". No clue on the specifics there. So no, there is AT MOST 1 scum between you and me. For the record, that scum is you. 2. You think? Really? I KNOW I'm not scum. I don't have to "think that it may perhaps be slightly more likely that I am not scum", because I fucking know it. This overly cautious phrasing is you claiming scum, because you cannot figure out a town mindset. 3. Yeah, trolololol. Lets fail the event, because Hopeless1derp wants to "prove" he's town. Once again, thinking like a townie? Failed. Miserably I might add. Verdict: scumPS. The failure to think like a townie is what I caught this guy on in Acme, so it even fits his meta. You were drunk when you posted that? No wonder your reading comprehension skills were so bad My managing to properly express my thoughts was a bit of a failure, but fairly certain I got the reading part spot on.
My point is, a big part of your post calling his response out was how you seemed to think he said "One of us is scum" when it actuality he said "One of THEM is scum", meaning you or TC.
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On November 28 2012 09:49 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 09:48 Keirathi wrote:On November 28 2012 09:45 Acrofales wrote:On November 28 2012 09:42 Keirathi wrote:On November 28 2012 09:38 Acrofales wrote:On November 28 2012 09:32 strongandbig wrote:
i wasn't really trying to make a whole case
it's just that the way hopeless responded to having a red check on him (back when a lot of people thought acro was town) didn't seem to me like how a townie would respond Agreed. I made that case already. I do admit that it came in the middle of my drunk spamming spree, so I don't blame anybody for missing it: On November 27 2012 09:49 Acrofales wrote:On November 27 2012 09:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
TC has claimed Acro and I are opposite alignments. AT LEAST one of them is scum to me. I think its more likely to be Acro. I know we don't want to lose the event and that I'm probably considered more likely to be scum than TC or Acro, but I'd like to be on the party for the sake of "proving" I'm town. Dafuq? Like seriously. DAFUQ? I cannot get my head around how mindblowingly stupid this post is. 1. OPPOSITE alignment. Unless you have reason to believe there are 2 scumteams, that means 1 of us is town, the other scum OR 1 of us is town, the other 3rd party, OR 1 of us is scum and the other 3rd party. It *might* be possible for 2 third parties to be considered "opposite alignment". No clue on the specifics there. So no, there is AT MOST 1 scum between you and me. For the record, that scum is you. 2. You think? Really? I KNOW I'm not scum. I don't have to "think that it may perhaps be slightly more likely that I am not scum", because I fucking know it. This overly cautious phrasing is you claiming scum, because you cannot figure out a town mindset. 3. Yeah, trolololol. Lets fail the event, because Hopeless1derp wants to "prove" he's town. Once again, thinking like a townie? Failed. Miserably I might add. Verdict: scumPS. The failure to think like a townie is what I caught this guy on in Acme, so it even fits his meta. You were drunk when you posted that? No wonder your reading comprehension skills were so bad My managing to properly express my thoughts was a bit of a failure, but fairly certain I got the reading part spot on. My point is, a big part of your post calling his response out was how you seemed to think he said "One of us is scum" when it actuality he said "One of THEM is scum", meaning you or TC. Ahhhh. I may have been missing that because I had a very strong town read on TC from the Toad check. I guess that makes more sense now
Yea, like I said, I think that's a perfectly normal townie reaction. To not just say "Yea, I'm town so Acro is scum guyz!!1!!!1!", but to be suspicious of both the cop who claimed the check and the person you were checked against.
Again, there are definitely things in his filter that make me scratch my head, but that isn't one of them.
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Good lord, another person that can't read?
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EBWOP:
By that I mean, you can only pick one out of Dieno/Clarity/Oats. Not 2 of them.
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