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Mr. Cheesecake
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On November 30 2012 09:58 Oatsmaster wrote: Yes it looks like I'm throwing shit around and seeing what sticks, but there is NO REASON for scum CC to push another lynch At least you're honest. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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+ Show Spoiler + On November 26 2012 17:35 Aquanim wrote: It is not. (Apologies, this took a while to write, and yes, I was aware of the hypocrisy.) tl;dr: I believe Kickstart is scum. Kickstart's First Post Kickstart's first post was completely contentless. Some rambling about a previous game he's played, just filling space, and the same jab at Oatsmaster that pretty much every other player made. SDM and Jacob had the same material to work with and gave some sensible analysis. And then, after four hours of lurking... DING DING DING DING DING ...Kickstart jumps on Oatsmaster's CC vote. Kickstart claims Oatsmaster's vote is "anti-town", or "if it continues I don't think we should keep you around because this is either scum play or bad town play". How in the hell is voting for your top scum read anti town? Especially when the thread has stagnated. Also, trying to remove guilt from himself if/when Oats flips town ("I told you guys he might be bad town anyway, remember?") I'll grant you Oatsmaster is not playing cautious obv-town, but I don't really see anything he's done as being exceptionally scum motivated. What kind of newbie scum randomly tunnels someone within their first three posts? For reference, a post about Oatsmaster which meets with more of my approval is HeloKnight's return #246. Sure, it's not entirely original, but at least he's making an effort. HeloKnight is LOOKING FOR SCUMINESS in Oatsmaster with this post, not saying "Take your vote off Cheesecake because it's bad." Kickstart's subsquent posts don't inspire a lot of town feeling in me either. Next were some short postsposts, which seem to be more about defending Cheesecake than looking for Oats scum. "This is stupid btw, we should be scumhunting." Do as I say, not as I do? None of Kickstart's posts are about Oatsmaster being scum, just about Oatsmaster being bad (specifically, his vote on Cheese being bad). GUYS GUYS WHY ARE YOU NOT PUSHING MY MISLYNCH WAGON FOR ME GUYS And then there was some more defence of Cheesecake. Pretty opportunistic poke at yamato, but doesn't lose sight of his main goal - defend the cheesecake! Kickstart also pokes lurkers a lot - easy to do as scum or town. No judgement here. Conclusion: Everyone else commented on Oatsmaster's read and vote based on how they reflected on Oatsmaster. Kickstart appears to be placing a much greater emphasis on how a vote for Cheesecake is bad. In particular, I believe Kickstart was the only one who wanted Oatsmaster to take his CC vote back (which doesn't make any sense, what's done is done and Oatsmaster will just take more flak if he does). Besides Oatsmaster, Kickstart hasn't looked for scum anywhere else at all, and I don't think his scumhunting on Oatsmaster is genuine. His only priority appears to be defending Cheesecake. There are three possibilities: (1) Kickstart is scum, knows Mr. Cheesecake is town and is white-knighting him. A lot. (2) Kickstart and Mr. Cheesecake are both scum and Kickstart is defending his scumbuddy. (3) Kickstart is town, has a town read on Mr. Cheesecake (correct or not) and for some reason feels the need to defend him vehemently against all attacks, in lieu of any actual search for scum. I don't buy (3), and so ##Vote: Kickstart The Kickstart case in a summary: He attacks Oats (not scummy), and he defends me. This case relies waaaaay too heavily on him defending me. What other reason does he have, seriously? Especially after how scummy oats/yamato were being D1. Then, what I like to call "The Exodus of the Munk Votes" brought to you by Aqua: + Show Spoiler + On November 27 2012 21:41 Aquanim wrote: The Munk-E Lynch - How It Went Down (Votecounts in the spoilers.) 26th November (Before this is Oatsmaster's CC vote and Kickstart's Oats vote.) [4:59] SDM FoS's Cheesecake, makes case largely based on meta. [5:01] SDM votes Cheesecake. [5:18] Munk-E appears in thread with useless post. [6:18] Munk-E makes a less useless post on Oatsmaster. [6:58] Having obtained a meaningful post from HeloKnight, CC un-FoS's him and Cheesecake votes Yamato. [7:02] SDM unvotes Cheesecake. SDM votes Yamato. + Show Spoiler + Votecount: Mr. Cheesecake(1): Oatsmaster Oatsmaster(1): Kickstart Yamato77(2): Mr. Cheesecake, Sonic Death Monkey [9:22] HeloKnight analyses Munk-E's (short) filter. HeloKnight votes Munk-E. [16:49] Aquanim votes Munk-E. [17:35] Aquanim makes Kickstart case. Aquanim votes Kickstart. [23:10] Yamato makes a long defensive post and gives his reads. [23:14] SDM summarises current cases. 27th November [0:09] Kickstart makes an angry counter-post to case against him. [0:15] SDM votes Munk-E. + Show Spoiler + Votecount: Mr. Cheesecake (1): Oatsmaster Oatsmaster(1): Kickstart Yamato77 (1): Mr. Cheesecake Munk-E(2): HeloKnight,Sonic Death Monkey Kickstart(1): Aquanim [0:38] Kickstart posts his reads. [0:39] Yamato votes Munk-E. [2:13] Jacob votes Yamato. [2:16] Cheesecake analyses Yamato further, and expresses the opinion that he "feels like this Munk-E lynch is an easy way for scum to secure a mislynch". Likes Helo, feels Oats isn't doing much. [5:51] Munk-E makes a post on Yamato. Munk-E votes Yamato. [6:04] Kickstart is satisfied with Munk-E. Kickstart unvotes Oatsmaster. Kickstart votes Yamato. [6:11] Aquanim leaves vote on Kickstart and leaves. [6:33] HeloKnight posts on Munk-E, is not convinced. [7:19] Yamato rants at Munk-E. + Show Spoiler + Votecount: Mr. Cheesecake (1): Oatsmaster Yamato77 (4): Mr. Cheesecake, Kickstart, Jacob, Munk-E Munk-E (3): HeloKnight, Sonic Death Monkey, Yamato77 Kickstart(1): Aquanim [7:25] Mr. Cheesecake votes Kickstart. [7:47] Mr. Cheesecake unvotes Kickstart. [7:51] Oatsmaster votes Kickstart. [8:40] Mr. Cheesecake votes Munk-E and leaves. Justifies his switch by saying he thinks lynching a town Munk-E would be better than lynching a town Yamato. [8:40 - 8:55] Jacob and Yamato discuss Yamato's play. [10:10] Debears is modkilled. + Show Spoiler + Votecount: Yamato77 (3): Kickstart, Jacob, Munk-E Munk-E (4): HeloKnight, Sonic Death Monkey, Yamato77, Mr. Cheesecake Kickstart(2): Aquanim, Oatsmaster [10:11] Jacob claims he "can't vote for Yamato with the votes like this". Jacob votes Munk-E. [10:17] Oatsmaster and Kickstart going at it again. [10:52] HeloKnight posts about Munk-E again. [11:25] Oatsmaster approves of Kickstart's "vitriol and fire" play. Oatsmaster unvotes Kickstart. Oatsmaster votes Munk-E. + Show Spoiler + Votecount: Yamato77 (1): Kickstart, Munk-E Munk-E (6): HeloKnight, Sonic Death Monkey, Yamato77, Mr. Cheesecake, Jacob, Oatsmaster Kickstart(1): Aquanim [11:35] Munk-E makes a pretty bad final plea. [11:36] HeloKnight becomes a little more conciliatory about Munk-E's play, but doesn't want to lynch Yamato. ... and nothing more of importance until Munk-E flips VT at 12. At least he wasn't blue, I guess. So, what's to be learned from this? One question is: what happened to the Yamato lynch? Up until four hours before lynch Yamato was leading Munk-E in the lynch stakes. @everyone who switched from Yamato to Munk-E (in other words, everyone except Kickstart): Why did you switch? And for that matter, Kickstart, why didn't you switch? Also of note: HeloKnight made the original case on Munk-E, and pushed it pretty hard except at the end (when a Munk-E lynch was pretty much a lock): Trying to make himself look a little better for when Munk-E flips green, and keeping his options open on yamato? Looking through HeloKnight's filter I don't see much scumhunting substance besides his Munk-E case and an earlier, inconclusive post on Oatsmaster (and let's face it, a case on a lurker with two posts isn't exactly difficult to concoct). I'd appreciate other people looking through HeloKnight's posts and giving your opinion. This post is the scummiest thing ever. Spreads suspicion on everyone that isn't himself and asks a ton of questions that he never follows up on. What the hell is the Town motivation for this post? Playing neutral as all fuck: On November 26 2012 18:42 Aquanim wrote: In reference to the Yamato case, this post has been coming up: When I saw this post originally, I thought the same thing that I've been seeing in your reads - that it seems like anxious scum. This was in reference to a post I made which (among other things) said I was uneasy about yamato. However, yamato (and CC) had posted since my last refresh and I then posted that I'd been ninja-d a lot. I can well believe that yamato might have thought I'd made the second post because my uneasiness about him had been nullified. Could well still be scum paranoia, but there's a reasonable innocent explanation too. I'm still thinking about the rest of the case. On November 25 2012 14:57 Aquanim wrote: Sure, he's made all of I'm not liking this. In the first quote Cheesecake took, Oatsmaster is agreeing with this post: which is pretty generically town-speech stuff from Mr. Cheesecake. I could well see Oatsmaster agreeing with the body of this message, BUT not liking the fact that Cheesecake is making speeches rather than poking people and looking for scum. (I'm taking a wild guess at what Oatsmaster's feeling was based on here.) And apart from Cheesecake's questions in his first post and contentless sniping at Oatsmaster since that's all there is. On November 27 2012 06:11 Aquanim wrote: Kickstart's defence of Cheesecake wasn't limited to Oatsmaster's case - iirc he poked at the use of meta in your CC case, too. The combination of these two, and the lack of serious posting on any other topics really, is what's setting me off. I'm not quite as convinced as I was last night, but I certainly don't have any better reads. Not sure I've read the case in detail, but with the natural suspiciousness on someone with two posts total it's not hard to make some kind of convincing case. I'm not saying Yamato is TELLING us anything more useful, but I just get the feeling that his posts are probing people a little more. Asking more interesting questions. It's a vague feeling though. My vote stays on Kickstart... I'm beginning to see how he might do this as town, but I still think that what he's been posting would look awfully tempting as mafia. I think I might be missing something about Yamato that you are all seeing, but I don't have time to look at all of his posts in context right now. I'm not comfortable leaving a vote on Munk-E when his filter (and the substantiation of any reads on him) could quadruple in size. Kickstart, if you're town, I expect serious and active scumhunting from you in the future. See you on the other side. Also: WHY THE FUCK DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR VOTE ON KICK?!?! Town would weigh in on the discussion at hand: Yamato versus Munk. Not keep their vote somewhere useless. You don't give a shit who is lynched. The only other thing Aqua has done this game is push an Oats lynch, which is EZ as FK to do at this point in time. I've seen very little original thinking from him. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On November 30 2012 10:06 HeloKnight wrote: Buy one case, get two free: the Oatsmaster special. I lol'd | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On November 30 2012 10:24 HeloKnight wrote: Why do you think that the Munk-E timeline was scummy? He gave some pretty useful information by putting the timeline out there, which could have been done by scum, but then he asks a question to everyone about their intentions in switching their votes. I don't see that as scumhunting instead of spreading suspicion. The only person I see him spreading suspicion on with that post is me. He never follows up on any of his questions, he just lets it out there and never goes over them. If he actually gave two shits about what people were doing with their munk votes, he would have made a case on it, or at least referenced it later in some attempt to scumhunt. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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Mr. Cheesecake
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We'd need 3 people to get off Oats. Pretty farfetched, but it might be something. I implore you fellow townies, look at it from your own point of view. What is the best decision? If a last minute Aqua bandwagon is too risky, I understand completely rofl. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On November 30 2012 10:46 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Are you suggesting scum would hardcore buddy eachother? Seems kind of unlikely. Hey, maybe I'm wrong. They aren't so much hardcore buddying each other (someone would have pointed that shit out early) as soft-defending each other here and there. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On November 30 2012 10:53 Oatsmaster wrote: D3 we lynch CC :D Obviously | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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Personally, with all thats happened in the past few hours, I think we may be headed for a blue lynch. If so, /obs are going to be popcorning like hell. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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>Wild Yamato appears No lynch is not an option at this point i dont think. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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The grammar thing is something I picked on Djo for in XXIX (smileycase) rofl. Just sayin'. Also, I like how the bolded is basically saying "Omg, I don't think mass roleclaim is good, obv town". Problem is, he's done so little of actual worth in this game that it's detrimental to any cases we can scrounge up at this point. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On November 30 2012 11:13 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Isn't that just how he posts though? Yeah, i can't even convince myself with that case ldo, I thought I'd just throw my thoughts out there. Yes it's just how he posts. I was scum and thought it to be a good point xD (didn't know it was his meta, though) | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On November 30 2012 11:26 Oatsmaster wrote: I like how I voted for everyone at 1 point of time, makes me look really wishy-washy Just unvote and vote a bunch of times to make iamp do a bunch of needless work GOGOGO | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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Nolynch is good because we'd still have Oats if he's doc. Hell, Mafia might shoot his ass tonight because afraid of another heal. Bad because I want to see a flip. | ||
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