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Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 28 2012 03:10 GMT
#644
Not exactly, the scum killer could have been RB'd by the JK, yes? If there's only a doc, then yes pretty the doc knows who is inno.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 28 2012 14:11 GMT
#703
Got a few mins between classes. Helo seems utterly disconnected from the game right now. We're in the same time zone, I have school etc also but I don't see much from him. The only time he pops up is whenever I call him out on something or so he can give the dreaded list of reads.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 28 2012 14:24 GMT
#705
He said 10-3PM. So basically 4-10pm which is lynch time. I'm not condemning if he has personal issues. First scum game I literally had a hurricane, fun times. He basically said he won't post just for the sake of posting. Reasonable, but I feel like he isn't doing much.

Helo, If you're town, I encourage you to post more and perhaps make an original case.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 28 2012 14:28 GMT
#707
Oh wait, vacation until Friday, meaning this Friday?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 28 2012 14:32 GMT
#709
Idk if he has class from 10-3 i doubt that's vacation so idk lol
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 28 2012 14:45 GMT
#715
Wouldn't consider a list of reads interaction, especially when the top scumread has a huge wall of text with red all over it against him. Idk.

Eagerly awaiting his case, however.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 28 2012 17:04 GMT
#735
At the people saying Yamato Oats scumteam, that was my read D1 until I went into retardmode. After the flip I think I mentioned it. I'm nearly positive at least one of them is scum, but people like Aqua, Helo and Jacob I'm still wary of because I can't get a concrete read on them.

Yamato Oats just feels too... convenient right now.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 29 2012 22:09 GMT
#971
By God did the thread bloat up in my absence. Catching up y'all.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 29 2012 22:27 GMT
#972
Oh God a blueclaim from Oats wtf
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 29 2012 23:10 GMT
#974
No breadcrumb? Wtf? How the hell am I supposed to believe that... breadcrumbs are super easy to make. I really don't see us lynching anyone else at this point, either. Shit. If he's not scum then this game makes no sense anymore. I was pretty convinced he was scum after my longass post on him. . . He just fits so many categories of scumminess that I can't discount it. If he is really blue, I'm going to be mindfuck'd because I don't see a blue attracting so much suspicion (on purpose?) D1. He could have been easily up for lynch D1 and been forced to claim then because of his actions.

##Vote: Oatsmaster


(wifom) Also, the Doc might not want to claim because they know Oats is going to get lynched anyway.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 29 2012 23:29 GMT
#979
I just fail to see, upon reading your role PM, how it would have been a good idea to bring suspicion upon yourself so early.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 30 2012 00:20 GMT
#992
On November 30 2012 09:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
CC is scum
I am going through this again.

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On November 30 2012 07:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Oh God a blueclaim from Oats wtf

Why would a townie be focused on blue/green rather than the actual roles? This reads like he already knew I was town and it turns out that I was blue.

Sorry, last thing I expected was for you to be blue (if you are). Nothing about your play indicates blue to me.

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On November 29 2012 02:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
At the people saying Yamato Oats scumteam, that was my read D1 until I went into retardmode. After the flip I think I mentioned it. I'm nearly positive at least one of them is scum, but people like Aqua, Helo and Jacob I'm still wary of because I can't get a concrete read on them.

Yamato Oats just feels too... convenient right now.


He cant give an explanation on why yamato and I are a scumteam so he drops it with no pressure whatsoever. He says me and yamato cant be scum because its too easy? WTF?

Lol. It seems too obvious. Personally, I feel at least one scum is sitting back this game with his feet propped up on a table somewhere with some

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On November 28 2012 23:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Idk if he has class from 10-3 i doubt that's vacation so idk lol


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On November 28 2012 23:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Oh wait, vacation until Friday, meaning this Friday?


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On November 28 2012 23:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
He said 10-3PM. So basically 4-10pm which is lynch time. I'm not condemning if he has personal issues. First scum game I literally had a hurricane, fun times. He basically said he won't post just for the sake of posting. Reasonable, but I feel like he isn't doing much.

Helo, If you're town, I encourage you to post more and perhaps make an original case.

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On November 28 2012 23:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Got a few mins between classes. Helo seems utterly disconnected from the game right now. We're in the same time zone, I have school etc also but I don't see much from him. The only time he pops up is whenever I call him out on something or so he can give the dreaded list of reads.


What a waste of space, getting town to waste time discussing Helo's whereabouts WHEN IT DOESNT MATTER.

Actually, it does matter. If someone is intentionally not posting, it's scummy. I brought it up because he wasn't doing much of anything. Only me and Jacob were even discussing it briefly. Obv fluff, right?
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On November 28 2012 07:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Eh, I just don't see much town motivation from him. Marv told me that looking for motivation in posts was key to unlocking the pieces of the puzzle. What's the purpose for his posts? I don't see much townie motiv for it. I made that longass post to point out of all the fallacies in town motivation, combined with his tendency to not do much in this thread other than soft-attack people. and spread a little suspicion without much evidence

I find this post really fucking weird, Marv is the town coach so CC subtly references him HOWEVER, no one else the whole game has mentioned anything about the coaches. I think that Marv told him that tip after XXX where he crashed and burned.

He told me that in an earlier game via pm. I've also mentioned Debears a bunch of times in context of us being scum. We aren't allowed to talk about coaching anyway, so it doesn't matter.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 30 2012 00:30 GMT
#1001
I'd probably say Aqua being very "legs up". The whole D1 thing where he keeps his vote on Kick irks me. Then that whole "voting of munk" post just screams "trololol i didn't vote either, I'm clear guys". D2 he pretty much just pushes the Obv Oats lynch. Seems a lot like popcorn.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 30 2012 00:33 GMT
#1003
What do you want from me, Oats? Seems like a desperation case. 3rd and 4th points are null. second point is alright, but that's just my opinion on the two most obv. scums being the scumteam. First point is just my reaction to you claiming blue, because I would have never expected such play from a blue.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 30 2012 00:36 GMT
#1005
On November 30 2012 09:32 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Wait he kept his vote on kick? I thought he did a big post against munk. That is a little odd.


Nope. Just tunneled you and then gave a huge ass post saying he didn't vote for either:

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 27 2012 21:41 Aquanim wrote:
The Munk-E Lynch - How It Went Down

(Votecounts in the spoilers.)

26th November

(Before this is Oatsmaster's CC vote and Kickstart's Oats vote.)
[4:59] SDM FoS's Cheesecake, makes case largely based on meta.
[5:01] SDM votes Cheesecake.
[5:18] Munk-E appears in thread with useless post.
[6:18] Munk-E makes a less useless post on Oatsmaster.
[6:58] Having obtained a meaningful post from HeloKnight, CC un-FoS's him and Cheesecake votes Yamato.
[7:02] SDM unvotes Cheesecake. SDM votes Yamato.

+ Show Spoiler +
Votecount:

Mr. Cheesecake(1): Oatsmaster
Oatsmaster(1): Kickstart
Yamato77(2): Mr. Cheesecake, Sonic Death Monkey


[9:22] HeloKnight analyses Munk-E's (short) filter. HeloKnight votes Munk-E.
[16:49] Aquanim votes Munk-E.
[17:35] Aquanim makes Kickstart case. Aquanim votes Kickstart.
[23:10] Yamato makes a long defensive post and gives his reads.
[23:14] SDM summarises current cases.

27th November

[0:09] Kickstart makes an angry counter-post to case against him.
[0:15] SDM votes Munk-E.

+ Show Spoiler +
Votecount:

Mr. Cheesecake (1): Oatsmaster
Oatsmaster(1): Kickstart
Yamato77 (1): Mr. Cheesecake
Munk-E(2): HeloKnight,Sonic Death Monkey
Kickstart(1): Aquanim


[0:38] Kickstart posts his reads.
[0:39] Yamato votes Munk-E.
[2:13] Jacob votes Yamato.
[2:16] Cheesecake analyses Yamato further, and expresses the opinion that he "feels like this Munk-E lynch is an easy way for scum to secure a mislynch". Likes Helo, feels Oats isn't doing much.
[5:51] Munk-E makes a post on Yamato. Munk-E votes Yamato.
[6:04] Kickstart is satisfied with Munk-E. Kickstart unvotes Oatsmaster. Kickstart votes Yamato.
[6:11] Aquanim leaves vote on Kickstart and leaves.
[6:33] HeloKnight posts on Munk-E, is not convinced.
[7:19] Yamato rants at Munk-E.

+ Show Spoiler +
Votecount:

Mr. Cheesecake (1): Oatsmaster
Yamato77 (4): Mr. Cheesecake, Kickstart, Jacob, Munk-E
Munk-E (3): HeloKnight, Sonic Death Monkey, Yamato77
Kickstart(1): Aquanim


[7:25] Mr. Cheesecake votes Kickstart.
[7:47] Mr. Cheesecake unvotes Kickstart.
[7:51] Oatsmaster votes Kickstart.
[8:40] Mr. Cheesecake votes Munk-E and leaves. Justifies his switch by saying he thinks lynching a town Munk-E would be better than lynching a town Yamato.
[8:40 - 8:55] Jacob and Yamato discuss Yamato's play.
[10:10] Debears is modkilled.

+ Show Spoiler +
Votecount:

Yamato77 (3): Kickstart, Jacob, Munk-E
Munk-E (4): HeloKnight, Sonic Death Monkey, Yamato77, Mr. Cheesecake
Kickstart(2): Aquanim, Oatsmaster


[10:11] Jacob claims he "can't vote for Yamato with the votes like this". Jacob votes Munk-E.
[10:17] Oatsmaster and Kickstart going at it again.
[10:52] HeloKnight posts about Munk-E again.
[11:25] Oatsmaster approves of Kickstart's "vitriol and fire" play. Oatsmaster unvotes Kickstart. Oatsmaster votes Munk-E.

+ Show Spoiler +
Votecount:

Yamato77 (1): Kickstart, Munk-E
Munk-E (6): HeloKnight, Sonic Death Monkey, Yamato77, Mr. Cheesecake, Jacob, Oatsmaster
Kickstart(1): Aquanim


[11:35] Munk-E makes a pretty bad final plea.
[11:36] HeloKnight becomes a little more conciliatory about Munk-E's play, but doesn't want to lynch Yamato.

... and nothing more of importance until Munk-E flips VT at 12. At least he wasn't blue, I guess.



So, what's to be learned from this?

One question is: what happened to the Yamato lynch? Up until four hours before lynch Yamato was leading Munk-E in the lynch stakes.

@everyone who switched from Yamato to Munk-E (in other words, everyone except Kickstart): Why did you switch?
And for that matter, Kickstart, why didn't you switch?


Also of note: HeloKnight made the original case on Munk-E, and pushed it pretty hard except at the end (when a Munk-E lynch was pretty much a lock):

Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 11:36 HeloKnight wrote:
Okay, I still think it's a little suspicious that your top read also happened to be the wagon of the time, but I'll drop that point because a townie would go after their top scum read.
I still don't want to lynch yamato today. I'm trying to not "white knight" him and to keep my mind open to him as scum, but I'm leaning pretty hard towards a newbie town feel right now.


Trying to make himself look a little better for when Munk-E flips green, and keeping his options open on yamato?

Looking through HeloKnight's filter I don't see much scumhunting substance besides his Munk-E case and an earlier, inconclusive post on Oatsmaster (and let's face it, a case on a lurker with two posts isn't exactly difficult to concoct). I'd appreciate other people looking through HeloKnight's posts and giving your opinion.



TL;DR: "wtf, y u guys switch votes??? Y u keep vote on Yamato??? Don't worry about me I voted for Kickstart."
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 30 2012 00:38 GMT
#1007
Tunneled Kick***
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 30 2012 00:47 GMT
#1011
Holy shit, I just realized that course of action from Aqua is scummy as fuck. Literally puts suspicion on every player except himself.

He also hasn't done fuck else this game except push this Oats lynch.

He doesn't really seem to give a fuck who is lynched at all.

If there are enough players online, hell, I might end up going full retardmode. Start a wagon on Aqua.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 30 2012 00:49 GMT
#1014
On November 30 2012 09:48 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Everyone is watching ipl probably lol.


I'll take "open up an extra tab" for 200 Alex.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 30 2012 00:51 GMT
#1017
I believe that's what starting a wagon means, sir. I still have no fucking clue about this Oats blue claim or whatnot, but Aqua is shady as fuck.

##Unvote
##Vote: Aqua


But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 30 2012 00:52 GMT
#1018
I'll pull some quotes out in a regular case fashion. Give me some time.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
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