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On November 20 2012 03:22 Clarity_nl wrote:
I don't have anything against you. That's not how this game works.
I'm trying to ignore thrawn's stuff altogether but it's obviously in the back of my head. Although the setup speculation helped it really got on my nerves and it seemed to be all you were willing to talk about.
I haven't made a case on you because I haven't been focusing on you much, and there's nothing that stands out as inherently scummy. But look at the players we'll have left after snb gets lynched (assuming he flips town). To me everyone on that list is rather townie, and you are probably the least towny out of them atm.
Your argument that darth hasn't taken advantage of his position can be said about hopeless and kickstart as well.
@ Clarity
The setup speculation allows us to have 100% confirmed blues right now. And the last scum is not able to fakeclaim if get close to his sorry ass...
Honestly, if Hopeless was not a confirmed Vig, I would be all over him right now.
Regarding Kickstart, we need to give him more room so he can post more. Also I think we should listen to what he is saying. First games are always depressing when every other player is coming at you for the scummy things that you inevitably post and never acknowledge what you are saying. I understand that he could get bored in his position.
But Darthpunk is not in the same position as Hopeless and Kickstart. He has won his Acme game so he should have more time to spare with us.
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On November 20 2012 03:33 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm not 100% sure the last scum would have to be experienced to snipe debears really. I mean, yeah, it was a good snipe, but for all we know Hapa dropped some mad knowledge in the scum QT or the last scum just got lucky shooting into the town. The last scum certainly *could* be experienced and I don't think kickstart is scum, but I wouldn't use that as the reason to exonerate him.
In terms of "should DP be considered unlynchable" the answer is "absolutely not". Nobody is beyond suspicion or questioning. Thinking that way is dangerous and leads to us losing. I may not think kickstart is scum but that doesn't mean I'm gonna bank everything on that fact. Question everything.
@ BH
I disagree with that point. I think that debears could have been killed for 2 reasons- He was a great threat for the scum => I didn't feel like he was onto anyone special during N2 (being after S&B was not a unique case)
- He has been snipped => Great move from a scum point of view, but you must have realized that a Cop was your greatest threat
Seriously, if the last scum had happily random shot debears, I don't see any reason why he would have done that over killing Hopeless or you. I personally thought that Hopeless would be the night kill.
I'm somehow angry at Z-Bo for this post + Show Spoiler +On November 18 2012 09:59 Z-BosoN wrote:<snip>
Investigate Djodref
I know who’s cop btw. So, mr. Cop, investigate Djodref. Nothing scum can do right now to stop a cop search. If roleblocker decides to find who is the cop and roleblock him, then BH the jailer will be able to confirm his role to someone else. Since that likely won’t happen, and BH will inevitably claim RB, then just go ahead Djo and we should be fine. Win-win, either Djo gets confirmed, or BH gets confirmed.
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On November 20 2012 03:45 Blazinghand wrote:
the setup speculation is, and has always been, a shitty use of time not because it was without value but because it gives us no read on you. 100% setup speculation tells us nothing about the person who does it. When you wasted all your time with a mixture of setup speculation and tunnelling me, you caused everyone to get a scumread on you because you weren't scumhunting. That's why people are on you. the fact of the matter is your setup speculation was completely unnecessary because someone could have easily done it all after the debears flip in like a few minutes rather than talking about "all the possibilities" like you did so much before the debears flip, when it still wasn't clear what setup we're in.
Really, the setup speculation wouldn't even have been a problem if you like actually made reads and pushed cases. The point here isn't "oh setup speculation is bad" though that is true-- it's "oh, ONLY setup speculation is bad, drojef shoudl actually contribute and talk" and you're like "haha nop i'm just gonna tunnel and do setup speculation"
Like, remember yesterday when you were tunnelling me and everyone except SnB was like "dude we're not lynching BH" and you're like "lawl nope"
you have to realize that you need to actually scumhunt and analyze to play this game
@ Blazinghand
Well, tunneling like a mad-man and using the setup against the mafia worked well for me last game to catch Clarity 
I've pushed him into fake claiming to get him lynched to get him counter claimed. I was planning to do the same kind of things against you. I was suffering of severe confirmation bias at this time, I admit it.
What do you think of iamp and DP at the moment ?
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On November 20 2012 03:53 Blazinghand wrote:
EBWOP: sorry didn't mean to imply you are shitty player, that was a poorly worded sentence
lol, it really looked like you did it though
I don't think I'm going to get mislynched before we find the last scum, even if you think I'm a shitty player ^^
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On November 20 2012 03:51 Blazinghand wrote:
um dude it was obvious we had a cop. I've been talking about what the cop should do and how I'm trying not to RB the cop with my JK usage since N1. How on earth would Z-Bo "give away" the fact we have a cop? It's not like he had any more knowledge about it than we do.
??? I don't understand you
I don't know what to say. I've realized that we may have a Cop when I read this post from Z-Bo. The way he said "I think I know who the Cop is" had really struck me at that time. I thought he was speaking of iamp and that was part of my motivation for the mass claim plan. But I was still not really sure if there was a Cop or not at that point.
Also please remember that it was easier for you to trust your claim than for us
On a side note, I got what you said about getting lucky with the snipe.
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On November 20 2012 04:09 Blazinghand wrote:
From the way he's playing, though, I'm pretty sure this last scum player is a moron. Like, judging from his nks and choice of RBs, he lacks even a rudimentary understanding of the game and has made several mistakes. Honestly at this point he should just leave mafia and never come back. I guess his mother dropped him on his head a lot as a child, because she couldn't bear to look at his nasty-ass face.
I don't see how you can complain about his choice of RBs, maybe you shouldn't have claimed JK during D1
You sure enjoy your position of confirmed town... You should thank the players who have rightfully solved the setup for you.
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So you get to joke but I can't joke back because you confirmed town ?
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Anyway, S&B might not take it well, are you guys have played a lot of games together already ?
Is it just for the game or is it really serious ?
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lol
Yeah, I don't see the scum winning this game...
We are not even going to get into MYLO imho 
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On November 20 2012 04:22 Blazinghand wrote:
Like the only way the last scum could win is if he had mad l337z0r skills like myself. if he does win I will congratulate him heartily on surviving, alone, with blues everywhere, through 4 consecutive lynches.
Actually, I could see DarthPunk doing that, not you
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I need to go to bed now, nice talking to you !
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@ iamp
Just out of curiosity, why your vote is still parked on my back ?
Regarding Clarity, I think it's time to reevaluate my read on him. I was leaning town on him because the feeling I got from his posts is different from the last game we have played together (I caught him being goon and forced him to fake claim when I was JK myself). S&B main points in his case are not damning in themselves but they show clearly the "strategy" that scum Clarity would follow and when you add up this to the interactions he had with Hapa (latest BH case on Clarity).
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On November 20 2012 19:56 DarthPunk wrote:You should know this s not true. Cross was a weak player.No doubt they were worried about him in the QT. he would be an ideal bus. Oh I am back BTW and catching up with the thread. Also everyone calline out my inactivity GTFO. I have a 10 page filter day two. I have pushed my scum reads. Am I playing badly? Sure I am. I have zero motivation right now. It feels like I am doing an assignment. But here I am reading the thread when I have no inclination to do so. There are some spammers in this game who have fucking mass posted with little fucking content of value. (clarity) Who make this game a chore to read. I have a strong town read on S&B he is a mislynch. I want to lynch clarity or DJO. I am total lynch bait right now. Anyone pushing a lynch on me is fucking suspicious. Enter DJo. Subtly wanting to push me and fucking Iamp. like seriously pushing the inactives who he should have a damn town read on?? anyway. Now I am back reading the thread. Heaps of shit is pissing me off which is motivating me in a way. so that is good I guess. Top Scum reads. Clarity, Djo.
Cool story bro...
I have some doubts about you and they grow larger when you are clearly twisting what I have said. I doubt you can show that I want to push iamp because that it simply a lie.
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On November 20 2012 20:23 Blazinghand wrote:
Welcome back, Djodref! You mentioned you were re-evaluating your read on clarity 6 hours ago. Have you come to any conclusions?
No because I had no time to do it. I was at work and pretty busy this afternoon unfortunately. I usually have enough time to play from work
Just got back home right now, I'm getting to it right now...
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On November 20 2012 20:29 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 20:20 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 19:56 DarthPunk wrote:You should know this s not true. Cross was a weak player.No doubt they were worried about him in the QT. he would be an ideal bus. Oh I am back BTW and catching up with the thread. Also everyone calline out my inactivity GTFO. I have a 10 page filter day two. I have pushed my scum reads. Am I playing badly? Sure I am. I have zero motivation right now. It feels like I am doing an assignment. But here I am reading the thread when I have no inclination to do so. There are some spammers in this game who have fucking mass posted with little fucking content of value. (clarity) Who make this game a chore to read. I have a strong town read on S&B he is a mislynch. I want to lynch clarity or DJO. I am total lynch bait right now. Anyone pushing a lynch on me is fucking suspicious. Enter DJo. Subtly wanting to push me and fucking Iamp. like seriously pushing the inactives who he should have a damn town read on?? anyway. Now I am back reading the thread. Heaps of shit is pissing me off which is motivating me in a way. so that is good I guess. Top Scum reads. Clarity, Djo. Cool story bro... I have some doubts about you and they grow larger when you are clearly twisting what I have said. I doubt you can show that I want to push iamp because that it simply a lie. Sup Scumzor. I can find the post or did I misread the part where you asked BH to comment on both Iamp and myself after heavily implying you had altered your town read on me? I can guarentee that if he had said he thought we were scummy you would have jumped all over us. LOL. That you were feeling out a wagon on lynch-bait was so fucking transparent dude. And as I am reading through your filter there is very little that suggests TOWN to me.
@ Darthpunk
I'm wary about you, not about iamp. I just wanted to know if I was on the right tracks for thinking that way. BH is now confirmed and provides some good advices sometimes. I think you are really over reacting when you refer to iamp and you as lynchbaits.
I was very clear that I would never lynch iamp nor Kickstart. You are misinterpreting what I have said or you are full of confirmation bias.
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On November 20 2012 20:40 DarthPunk wrote:
And hopeless is confirmed. You are close. But not confirmed. And there are situations in which we should probably lynch you. Especially after My last game.
@ DP
Blazinghand is 100% confirmed... That was all the setup speculation was about. You should take a close look at these posts and what they really meant if you are checking my filter.
I'll be glad to hear your reasons for him not being confirmed.
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On November 20 2012 20:41 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm legitimately curious as I am not a setup speculator: Could there in fact be only 2 blues in this game?
I wanna kill myself now...
No, it would be impossible with a godfather and a cop.
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On November 20 2012 20:47 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 20:37 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 20:29 DarthPunk wrote:On November 20 2012 20:20 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 19:56 DarthPunk wrote:You should know this s not true. Cross was a weak player.No doubt they were worried about him in the QT. he would be an ideal bus. Oh I am back BTW and catching up with the thread. Also everyone calline out my inactivity GTFO. I have a 10 page filter day two. I have pushed my scum reads. Am I playing badly? Sure I am. I have zero motivation right now. It feels like I am doing an assignment. But here I am reading the thread when I have no inclination to do so. There are some spammers in this game who have fucking mass posted with little fucking content of value. (clarity) Who make this game a chore to read. I have a strong town read on S&B he is a mislynch. I want to lynch clarity or DJO. I am total lynch bait right now. Anyone pushing a lynch on me is fucking suspicious. Enter DJo. Subtly wanting to push me and fucking Iamp. like seriously pushing the inactives who he should have a damn town read on?? anyway. Now I am back reading the thread. Heaps of shit is pissing me off which is motivating me in a way. so that is good I guess. Top Scum reads. Clarity, Djo. Cool story bro... I have some doubts about you and they grow larger when you are clearly twisting what I have said. I doubt you can show that I want to push iamp because that it simply a lie. Sup Scumzor. I can find the post or did I misread the part where you asked BH to comment on both Iamp and myself after heavily implying you had altered your town read on me? I can guarentee that if he had said he thought we were scummy you would have jumped all over us. LOL. That you were feeling out a wagon on lynch-bait was so fucking transparent dude. And as I am reading through your filter there is very little that suggests TOWN to me. @ DarthpunkI'm wary about you, not about iamp. I just wanted to know if I was on the right tracks for thinking that way. BH is now confirmed and provides some good advices sometimes. I think you are really over reacting when you refer to iamp and you as lynchbaits. I was very clear that I would never lynch iamp nor Kickstart. You are misinterpreting what I have said or you are full of confirmation bias. You are full of shit. ROFL. What you are saying is that you would like to push a lynch on me though?
Today, absolutely not. Honestly, I really doubt that we need to ever lynch you to finish the game. I've listed the strong town tells you have in your favor. I was just worried about your activity and your lynch of Z-Boson.
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On November 20 2012 20:49 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 20:46 Blazinghand wrote:
Yeah see since there are 13 players in the game I'm just gonna assume there are 3 blues. That makes me an uncontested blue claim and confirmed town, as usual. Get your head in the game, boy-o. Although I'm flattered you've decided to grace us with your presence once again, you should at least try to get up to date with that's going on. ZB flipped miller, debears flipped cop. It's D3. etc etc Get out. I read the thread. I understand your claim. There could be two blues. It is very likely that you are town. But not certain. Also. If you are going to continue to act this way I will just do as I please and ignore you. I am sure you wouldn't want that. If you want to be difficult. Fine. Two can play that game.
@ DarthPunk
Let's take about this when you are done with checking my filter. Please read it objectively and try to understand what I was aiming to with the setup speculation. The link to the explantion page on mafiascum wiki is an interesting read for any player anyway.
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On November 20 2012 20:57 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 20:48 Blazinghand wrote:On November 20 2012 20:47 DarthPunk wrote:On November 20 2012 20:37 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 20:29 DarthPunk wrote:On November 20 2012 20:20 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 19:56 DarthPunk wrote:You should know this s not true. Cross was a weak player.No doubt they were worried about him in the QT. he would be an ideal bus. Oh I am back BTW and catching up with the thread. Also everyone calline out my inactivity GTFO. I have a 10 page filter day two. I have pushed my scum reads. Am I playing badly? Sure I am. I have zero motivation right now. It feels like I am doing an assignment. But here I am reading the thread when I have no inclination to do so. There are some spammers in this game who have fucking mass posted with little fucking content of value. (clarity) Who make this game a chore to read. I have a strong town read on S&B he is a mislynch. I want to lynch clarity or DJO. I am total lynch bait right now. Anyone pushing a lynch on me is fucking suspicious. Enter DJo. Subtly wanting to push me and fucking Iamp. like seriously pushing the inactives who he should have a damn town read on?? anyway. Now I am back reading the thread. Heaps of shit is pissing me off which is motivating me in a way. so that is good I guess. Top Scum reads. Clarity, Djo. Cool story bro... I have some doubts about you and they grow larger when you are clearly twisting what I have said. I doubt you can show that I want to push iamp because that it simply a lie. Sup Scumzor. I can find the post or did I misread the part where you asked BH to comment on both Iamp and myself after heavily implying you had altered your town read on me? I can guarentee that if he had said he thought we were scummy you would have jumped all over us. LOL. That you were feeling out a wagon on lynch-bait was so fucking transparent dude. And as I am reading through your filter there is very little that suggests TOWN to me. @ DarthpunkI'm wary about you, not about iamp. I just wanted to know if I was on the right tracks for thinking that way. BH is now confirmed and provides some good advices sometimes. I think you are really over reacting when you refer to iamp and you as lynchbaits. I was very clear that I would never lynch iamp nor Kickstart. You are misinterpreting what I have said or you are full of confirmation bias. You are full of shit. ROFL. What you are saying is that you would like to push a lynch on me though? This is a legit question actually. DJO. Take a position and answer this question.
On November 20 2012 20:52 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 20:47 DarthPunk wrote:On November 20 2012 20:37 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 20:29 DarthPunk wrote:On November 20 2012 20:20 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 19:56 DarthPunk wrote:You should know this s not true. Cross was a weak player.No doubt they were worried about him in the QT. he would be an ideal bus. Oh I am back BTW and catching up with the thread. Also everyone calline out my inactivity GTFO. I have a 10 page filter day two. I have pushed my scum reads. Am I playing badly? Sure I am. I have zero motivation right now. It feels like I am doing an assignment. But here I am reading the thread when I have no inclination to do so. There are some spammers in this game who have fucking mass posted with little fucking content of value. (clarity) Who make this game a chore to read. I have a strong town read on S&B he is a mislynch. I want to lynch clarity or DJO. I am total lynch bait right now. Anyone pushing a lynch on me is fucking suspicious. Enter DJo. Subtly wanting to push me and fucking Iamp. like seriously pushing the inactives who he should have a damn town read on?? anyway. Now I am back reading the thread. Heaps of shit is pissing me off which is motivating me in a way. so that is good I guess. Top Scum reads. Clarity, Djo. Cool story bro... I have some doubts about you and they grow larger when you are clearly twisting what I have said. I doubt you can show that I want to push iamp because that it simply a lie. Sup Scumzor. I can find the post or did I misread the part where you asked BH to comment on both Iamp and myself after heavily implying you had altered your town read on me? I can guarentee that if he had said he thought we were scummy you would have jumped all over us. LOL. That you were feeling out a wagon on lynch-bait was so fucking transparent dude. And as I am reading through your filter there is very little that suggests TOWN to me. @ DarthpunkI'm wary about you, not about iamp. I just wanted to know if I was on the right tracks for thinking that way. BH is now confirmed and provides some good advices sometimes. I think you are really over reacting when you refer to iamp and you as lynchbaits. I was very clear that I would never lynch iamp nor Kickstart. You are misinterpreting what I have said or you are full of confirmation bias. You are full of shit. ROFL. What you are saying is that you would like to push a lynch on me though? Today, absolutely not. Honestly, I really doubt that we need to ever lynch you to finish the game. I've listed the strong town tells you have in your favor. I was just worried about your activity and your lynch of Z-Boson.
Already did. I want to lynch S&B today by the way.
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