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Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 17 2012 23:59 GMT
#2465
Back to scumhunting like the good little townie I am.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 18 2012 00:06 GMT
#2471
Ah, the lazy idc-whatever-I'm-voting-for-you answer. QED.

I'm trying to discuss with town these last hours, I'm trying to scumhunt. What is it YOU are doing useful hmm? Trying to figure out if you got shit right? Try to pursue other reads? Or just chillin?

I AM being useful though, you'll see. It's just that I have so much omnipresence that I can post and scumhunt AT the same time. Call me Chronos, God of Time. A fitting title. Perhaps sir. Sir Chronos. Sir Chronos the Gallant. That's a good thing to call me. Yes. Sir Chronos the Gallant.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 18 2012 00:06 GMT
#2472
iamp, do something useful sir. SnB isn't here and wont be.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 18 2012 00:14 GMT
#2479
On November 18 2012 09:08 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2012 09:06 Z-BosoN wrote:
iamp, do something useful sir. SnB isn't here and wont be.

he is here he posted like 2 mins before you buffoon


Oopsie-daisy.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 18 2012 00:21 GMT
#2483
Done. All my reads and thoughts on the game have been written. Perhaps I should increase the expectation and post it right before I die. That way I look like a hero and leave a greater impact on you guys, so as to not be confused with a scum trying to buy off a lynch.

If I post them now though, I might look a little bad. What do you guys think?

Hmm. I'm tired of this game though, was fun in day 1 but now it's just a bunch of people posting with their and won't have much time to play during the week. Perhaps I should post these right before I die. Yes, yes, sir Chronos the Gallant wants to look good!
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 18 2012 00:22 GMT
#2485
EBWOP: with their elbows, and I won't have much time to...
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 18 2012 00:24 GMT
#2487
On November 18 2012 09:22 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2012 09:21 Z-BosoN wrote:
Done. All my reads and thoughts on the game have been written. Perhaps I should increase the expectation and post it right before I die. That way I look like a hero and leave a greater impact on you guys, so as to not be confused with a scum trying to buy off a lynch.

If I post them now though, I might look a little bad. What do you guys think?

Hmm. I'm tired of this game though, was fun in day 1 but now it's just a bunch of people posting with their and won't have much time to play during the week. Perhaps I should post these right before I die. Yes, yes, sir Chronos the Gallant wants to look good!

now you idiot


But but but then it will look lamer and less heroic. Might be confused with WIFOM. I want to look heroic for the fans!
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 18 2012 00:26 GMT
#2488
How much time left?
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 18 2012 00:59 GMT
#2497
Preface
This first post is my death post. Read it with a warm and fuzzy feeling inside, that of love and kinship.




Very well, it seems I'm getting lynched without people even trying. It's so blatantly obvious that my play makes 0 sense as scum. Yet people love feeling smart with their conspiracy theories and observational powers of how my meta is differen, and feel great about greating far-fetched scum motivations for every fucking thing that’s obviously much better explained as me being townie. Onto my reads. I’m really worried about town’s attitude this day. Really bad and weak in comparison to day one.



Games not over yet.




Stop being fucking lazy and start reading and being suspicious. Jesus. If there’s anything I learned in newbie XXVIII is that the game’s not over until it’s over. I almost lost, as town, because I got cocky and decided to not read the thread.

We had a lovely day one but now it's going to be harder than ever finding scum. You guys have to keep day one activity up. Scum suffocate with that kind of level of activity. Just look at crossfire. (Hopefully, if I'm right, Djodref).

Onto my reads. A lot of time was spent here, so fucking read:




debears
Now I really can't accept how he went from this (favoring me heavily as town):

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&currentpage=96#1906
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&currentpage=103#2050
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&currentpage=105#2087
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&currentpage=106#2101

To this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&currentpage=119#2372

With such a shitty line of thought. I'd never thought debears capable of writing so much stupidity in a streak of posts. His logic managed to get even worse than DP's, basically broiling down to kush level thinking with this:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&currentpage=120#2394
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&currentpage=120#2390
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&currentpage=120#2388
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&currentpage=120#2385

I mean seriously? I "somehow" knew that BH would be alive day 3? Hapa said "GG YO!"? Jesus...

I'm having a hard time viewing him as scum though. His interaction with hapa seems... genuine? I don't know. I'm pissed off at his level of ignorance concerning me and want him to be scum. Consider him a fair lynch target towards late game, if no other scummier ones exist.




So, here's my take on Kickstart, someone who's been missing lately and hasn't had too much attention.

Kickstart

He has some chance of being scum. He comes out towards hapa early on, with a disputably "weak" case:

On November 15 2012 11:20 Kickstart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 16:52 Kickstart wrote:
Here is why I have doubts about Hapa.
Hapa starts off by being the first one to cast a "pointless vote" at the start of the day.
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 13 2012 09:25 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 09:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
I don't think anyone will be against millers claiming and a lurker lynch policy. If they are they should speak up. Otherwise we really don't need to mention it again.


Oh hum I need something more controversial then.

Howabout the lynch DarthPunk policy? I have a hard time reading him and rolls scum 66% of the time when I'm in game with him. Sample size be damned!

##Vote DarthPunk


I see that several people did this and were joking but I don't like it much and Hapa is the first to do it, which is even more interesting because soon after he states that the random vote gambit is far overused ;/ :
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 13 2012 09:37 Hapahauli wrote:
@iamp

The "random vote" gambit has been far overused. I'm not a fan.

I'd comment on your post, but I'm not even sure what you're talking about there.


He then unvotes DP just to revote him:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 13 2012 10:22 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 10:15 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:01 strongandbig wrote:
if zb was scum he would have made a much longer post

##vote: hapahauli

im down with that iamperfection thinkamajig


So retarded.
##Vote: Strongandbig


You're voting him 'cause the post is retarded? And not because it's scummy?

The last time you pulled that, you were scum (Mafia LVII).

##Vote DarthPunk

('fo real this time)

Which he unvotes again -_-

And there is the whole SnB bandwagon that he jumps on:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 13 2012 10:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 10:50 debears wrote:
Does S&B normally act like this?

Just curious :D

Feel free to answer that S&B


Well it's weird for sure. I'm used to seeing scum SnB be a lot more "wordy" when he posts. Atleast this was the case in Mafia LVII and Death Note Mini. Howwwwwweva, this post really sets off my scum alarms:

Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 10:48 strongandbig wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:01 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 09:59 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 13 2012 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 09:47 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 13 2012 09:44 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 09:41 Z-BosoN wrote:
Hello, sirs.
First of all I´d like to claim miller.
There are two very viable options now, regarding my alignment on this game.

I am fakeclaiming as mafia.
I am in fact a miller.

My claim here would be fairly risky as scum, and as town it makes more sense to claim so as to not waste detective checks on me, but of course this is WIFOM. I hope to show my alignment in this game through brilliant, stellar townie play, and hope town uses this factor and this factor alone when scouting my alignment.
The only thing I hope to achieve with this claim is to not be checked by an eventual cop, as that check will be guaranteed to turn red.

That being said, I look forward to playing this game. Lot's of familiar faces around, and I am curious to hear more from people I haven't played yet.

Regarding DarthPunk, don't worry, if he's scum, I'll figure it out


HI ZB <3.

Yeah ZB will figure me out If I am scum, and Vice Versa. Hapa will figure marv out and marv will figure everyone out.

GG scummers


But what if me, ZB, and marv are all scum o_O




Then Blazinghand, Debears and I will rip you all a new arsehole. <3


Oh noes! Well fortunately I'm not scum.

+ Show Spoiler +
I think.+ Show Spoiler +
*Bowzer laugh*+ Show Spoiler +
jk I'm town


On November 13 2012 09:55 iamperfection wrote:
On November 13 2012 09:52 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 13 2012 09:45 iamperfection wrote:
i guess theirs no reason not to believe zbos right? has to be to risky to do if he was scum right.


Woah woah hold-up. I'm not liking how you're trusting this claim right away.

Claiming miller is a pretty much a riskless play here. We don't know how many millers are in the setup, and as far as I'm concerned, the claim is null until Z-Bo proves otherwise.

its what i think so whatever. Zbos scum is gone put himself out there like that i dont think so.


It's not "so whatever" - I'm pretty skeptical how you're so willing to think Z-Bo is town off what looks to me like a completely null action.


Hapa, last time you did that little spoiler trick (GsL III), you were the role that you put in the spoiler.

Here, you put bowser. Now why would you put bowser out of all the scum roles? It seems to me like you were actively thinking of bowser, which you shouldn't be if you are town. I would expect you to put a town role in that spoiler


this is stupid


He calls debears argument/suspicion on me stupid, when he himself has his vote on me. It's not consistent at all with his suspicions so far, and I can't wrap my head around a townie thought process here.

## Vote StrongandBig

At least he stays away from voting based on the VT claim post but he starts out by inferring that if SnB were scum he would be posting differently and then votes him anyways based on the "this is stupid" comment (which to be fair to SnB I agree with him, the whole point about putting your role in a spoiler is silly).


Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 11:47 Kickstart wrote:
Wowzers that was a lot to catch up on, I really tried to post before heading off to school but there was way too much to read and process. I was 100% down with lynching BH... and then he claims jk. I still don't like his posting before or after the claim and think that the claim did no one other than himself any good. I would love to flip him just to see, because the way I see it, at worst he is scum trying to save himself (but as stated before that would be REALLY reckless) and at best he is now deadweight.

For me the best thing I feel I have to go off of is looking at peoples votes and trying to pick out the scumvotes, and I still think the SnB bandwagon had some scum attached to it (who were basically forced to switch their votes after it being called out for what it was). Top scum read for me is still Hapa. I think he hopped on the SnB wagon, then tried to start an iamp one (with BH, so that is part of the reason I was 100% down for lynching BH and if he flipped red I would have insta voted Hapa - but then BH claimed so....), and now he is voting for debears with everyone else.

I suppose it is time to put my vote where my mouth is, but I would like to hear other peoples thoughts on Hapa. If most others are getting scum read on him (which some people have already posted that they are) I would like to hear why, likewise if someone thinks hes town I want to hear why.

##Vote: Hapahauli

and @Hapa
No hard feelings, you have been very kind to me in your posts which I do appreciate but I can't let that influence my reads.


So were my points at the time valid? I'm not sure what to think of this because it seems that I had it right but at the time got no support. Did I not provide enough analysis/reasoning? Was it just unconvincing? ;/


Now, in this very post he says "no hard feelings". Seems genuine to me. I love putting that in the "things scum don't say to each other" category". But in this case I don't feel so strongly about it.

Another scummy sign from him is him responding when getting called out:

On November 15 2012 06:29 Kickstart wrote:
I'm here and been following the thread. All the cases against hopeless have been pretty solid and convincing so far and he has yet to give a good response, added to the fact that I already had an anti-town read on him before I think he is a good D1 lynch candidate. Hapa I feel has given several good and well reasoned posts recently spelling out his views on everyone, and just generally being pro-town. That being said,

##unvote
##vote: Hopeless1der


He was at the deadline though, so this makes me like him. He was also on Hapa's wagon:
On November 15 2012 10:57 Kickstart wrote:
what a shitstorm this is
## Unvote
## Vote hapa


So it makes me like him even more. Given that he seems to be a new player, I don't think he'd be so ballsy as to go ahead and bus in such a manner, and even try to get some town cred later.

What I don't like about him is how he's not around right now. He seems to have a strong town read on me, and is doing nothing to help town consolidate. Doesn't seem too interested in the game right now, and that's typical of scum looking at townies fighting from afar.

Definite chance of being scum. Doubtful on him, but I'd stick with... townie.




DarthPunk
He’s a brick and is generally stupid with his reads and arguments, but still tries to figure things out, just as his regular townie self. If he’s scum, I’ll shoot myself.

Strongandbig
Didn’t feel the need to investigate. I think he’ s town. Not as sure as I am on DP. He disappears at very bad times, and wasn’t very helpful after people unvoted him.

iamperfection
Marv had a town read on him, his play seems very different from his scum play... yea, I’d go 95% townie on him.

Clarity
Clarity is a clever fellow. he’s been very open about his thoughts, and has played a decent game. Only in times of grave danger should you lynch this one. Possibly... 100% townie? Maybe 95%. IMO he has to be a very very VERY talented scum to play the game he’s been playing. Stay away from him.




I really really think one of Djodref or BH is scum.

BlazingHand

Shitty shitty play. If he for some reason does NOT deal with some of the absurdly illogical arguments sent by DP and debears on me, lynch him. If he’ town, someone with his level of thought would surely be able to pick up on some arguments that don’t make sense. He also has blatantly ignored much of what I wrote in defense of me. As I write this, I don’t know if he’s going to unvote me or note, but he’d better answer to my posts.
If he fails in either of these, lynch him first.

Djodref

Not digging his play at all. Already made the case on thrawn, and there isn’t much time left here. Some of his posts are very interesting though:

On November 17 2012 00:52 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 22:51 Djodref wrote:
@ Clarity

This is your second game right ? So we just have your previous scum game for comparisons
<snip>


@ Clarity

Can you confirm me that is it indeed your second game and explain me why you don't like last minute shenanigans ?


And regarding the fact that we have 3 scums, I'm pretty sure that it's the standard for this setup. It's a very safe assumption which we can work with ^^
Regarding the 8vs1vs1thing, this is the main reason why I would have difficulties to believe in a SK Hopeless.



This post right here seems like a very useless way to seem like he is contributing.

This post here:

On November 17 2012 04:20 Djodref wrote:
So, if BH is the third scum, he is the role blocker and he was basically exposing himself to a rightful counterclaim from a possible JK at 42%...
It's quite a risk to take. I still don't like BH play at all but I understand better why we shouldn't lynch him today. I hope someone else find the setup speculation interesting ^^

## Unvote


Seems fluffy and classic XXX look at me I’m contributing. I mean, he kinda looks like he’s figuring shit out, but it’s weird to me.

Also, he believes I’m town:

On November 17 2012 13:07 Djodref wrote:
@ Z-BosoN

I still believe you are town. The latest cases against you so far revolve mainly around meta, and your defense seems honest in my eyes. Moreover, I personally think that meta arguments should be used as the icing on the cake and not as the core of a case against someone.

So I'm sorry to tell you that you are going after me for bad reasons. The first one, of course, is that I'm town and the second one is that you are going after me based on thrawn actions, which I cannot really respond for. I'm not saying at all that you guys should dismiss all the previous thrawn posts when looking at me but I think it should also be the icing on the cake rather than the core of the case.

Regarding thrawn, I would like to say that Keir told me that he had a valuable excuse for getting replaced. If you have followed the Acme game and especially D5 when thrawn gets mislynched as a 1-shot Cop, you can see also that his activity doesn't fit his town play and that he doesn't show a great motivation for the game. I think something is really going on in his life and I hope he'll come back in a better shape to keep on playing with us.

Anyway, the points 1, 2 and 3 in your case still stand but I cannot really answer for them unfortunately. If you really want, I can try to imagine what led thrawn to post this way (there is definitively townie motivations because I know he was town ) but I think I should better leave it like this.

I would appreciate that you drop your charges against me because I think you are innocent and I know I am. But if you really want to come after me, I would suggest you to make a case I can defend myself against and add the thrawn points as the icing on the cake. I think it should be fair like this


But still doesn’t do much in regards to stopping my lynch. Wtf right? Where are my servants when I most need them? Sheesh. The anti-boson ape army love going apeshit over everything I saw, and yet Djodref is just chilling watching me get burned? What a backstabbing legionnaire!

On a more serious note, what I’e said about him can also make sense from a townie perspective. I’m more convinced on him based on my case on thrawn.




Anyways, thou shall obey. Now that I’m dead and that the obvious explanation’s veracity has surfaced, reread everything I said understanding that I am town and learn the error of your ways and the idiotness of my lynch.

Fear not though, thou shall LEARN from those errors, and improve your scumhunting abilities in such a manner as to catch your last scum.

Tabs on me though, check this:



Lynch Blazinghand




If that fucker lives past night two, snipe his ass, especially if he meets the criteria I’ve set up earlier. Well, at this point in time, BH still hasn’t posted anything. He’ got a ton of pages in his filter, but no real signs of being helpful.



Investigate Djodref




I know who’s cop btw. So, mr. Cop, investigate Djodref. Nothing scum can do right now to stop a cop search. If roleblocker decides to find who is the cop and roleblock him, then BH the jailer will be able to confirm his role to someone else. Since that likely won’t happen, and BH will inevitably claim RB, then just go ahead Djo and we should be fine. Win-win, either Djo gets confirmed, or BH gets confirmed.




So, what if neither BH and Djodref are scum?


Well, then I’m very sad and I feel that this third scum is a very capable player.
I will swear by DarthPunk, iamperfection, and Hopeless. Don’t kill these three. Throwing my reputation on the line.

Will pseudo-swear by debears and Clarity. You better make a real fucking case on them, better than you did on me.

Kickstart and SnB, well... meh. Ugh. Meh. Scum has to be BH or Djodref, has to be.

GL Town!!!




This ends the death post part. Now comes the alternative if you guys see the truth and decide not to lynch me.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 18 2012 01:00 GMT
#2498
So that was the post I had already written, it was supposed to be a heroic game-solving last effort.

Now, when confronted with the option that I may yet live, I’d say we should really really kill Djodref. I mean, shit. Thrawn looks so scummy, look at my case on him. If I’m right about my cop read, it’s not him, so we may, just may be able to secure a lynch on him. I’d really love to kill him. Where is he right now? Why isn’ he helpful? Read my posts above. Not really digging him. Djodref is not helping either.

The other option in my mind is BH. He’s fucking useless. But, there’s an off-chance that he may actually be JK. ANyways, a mass claim before N2 might prove useful in determining this. And, also, scum simply don’t need to keep him alive. Completely ballsy and risky to keep him alive just for the sake of WIFOM, nothing can stop his NK and it’s just an unnecessary risk for scum. Mr. Cop can help us with him. I said earlier that his was a stupid idea, but if we lynch Djodref and stick with the cop read on BH, then I think we’ll be looking good for day three. If BH is scum, game over. If he’s town and lives, horray! If he gets NKed, well, Cop is still safe.

So, what I’ll suggest is:



Lynch Djodref




Best lynch. Has a case, and now some bad posts against Djodref as well, not only thrawn. Thrawn was off his meta. Besides that, he actually has displayed a non-town-oriented approach. Kill him, guys, I’m not the scum here. Stop it with the "courtesy policy not-lynch. He's had 48h and he's been useless. And I mean useless.

If I still die, just do what I said earlier on. We should be good.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 18 2012 01:16 GMT
#2503
They are stunned, baffled in awe of the amount of wisdom displayed. In fact, in such a way that they can't help but admire. It seems we are experiencing a minute of silence in reverence to my undisputed Godship.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 18 2012 01:16 GMT
#2504
On November 18 2012 10:15 DarthPunk wrote:
Nah. I want ZB to flip. Then if the game is still going we can check out that wall of text of his.


Too much to read, eh DP my love?
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 18 2012 01:21 GMT
#2508
Lo! Death has reared himself a throne
In a strange city lying alone
Far down within the dim West,
Where the good and the bad and the worst and the best
Have gone to their eternal rest.
There shrines and palaces and towers
(Time-eaten towers that tremble not!)
Resemble nothing that is ours.
Around, by lifting winds forgot,
Resignedly beneath the sky
The melancholy waters lie.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 18 2012 01:46 GMT
#2519
Seems like Djodref is not an option... oh well.

##Unvote
##Vote SnB

Hate this lynch, but, better than me

Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 18 2012 01:47 GMT
#2521
Always here bro.
Talk to me about something.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 18 2012 01:48 GMT
#2523
No rays from the holy heaven come down
On the long night-time of that town,
But light from out the lurid sea
Shines up the turrets silently,
Gleams up the pinnacles far and free;
Up domes--up spires--up kingly halls--
Up fanes--up Babylon-like walls--
Up shadowy long-forgotten bowers
Of sculptured ivy and stone flowers--
Up many and many a marvelous shrine
Where wreathed friezes intertwine
The viol, the violet, and the vine.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 18 2012 01:49 GMT
#2525
Yea, specially when he can just unvote BH and vote me to live.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 18 2012 01:50 GMT
#2526
This is such a sad evening.
No one around, but shadows and dust.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 18 2012 01:50 GMT
#2527
Resignedly beneath the sky
The melancholy waters lie.
So blend the turrets and shadows there
That all seem pendulous in air,
While from a proud tower in the town
Death looks gigantically down.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 18 2012 01:51 GMT
#2529
It's ok. I've always loved you. Go get 'em tiger.
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