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On November 23 2012 04:12 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 03:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
GG guys, I apologize on my "djo is the 4th town" at the 11th hour, that was dumb.
If anyone has any advice I will gladly take it. It's ok, I was going to lose anyway... I'm glad to have fooled at least one guy 
Well blazing read right through how stupid it was so I'm glad. Nice try Djo!
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it's because I was spamming and being useless, obviously. 
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On November 23 2012 06:21 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 06:18 Clarity_nl wrote:it's because I was spamming and being useless, obviously. It was more that you could have been more useful to me. You never seemed to get anywhere with your questioning playstyle. You also don't PUSH your reads, and I found that scummy. Yes, your reads were known, but I didn't feel like you were really trying to convince anyone you were right, you were just going through the motions of making a case.
Okay so let's take my case on snb for example. I make the case, no one disagrees, I move on.
I let the case speak for me, if my case is good I won't need to spam X IS SCUM OMG
As for the questioning stuff, it all came together in my list of reads posts.
I can definitely see your point though.
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On November 23 2012 06:31 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 06:25 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 23 2012 06:23 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 06:21 Z-BosoN wrote:
But anyways, well played :D
Hopeless gains the LVP trophy here. Confirmed town, blindly sheeping his vote on me, and just chilling without trying to do shit this late stage of game. Seriously, what bad play. Everyone else was trying to figure shit out. Gah
I really liked this town day one though, insane activity made it tough for scum to hide in. All three scum members were completely discernable from after day one (with the exception of SnB imo... took me a while to get a townread from him), which is something that I've never seen happen before.
We got a bit (a fucking lot) lucky on hapa's lynch, but this was one hell of a day 1for town, and I'm impressed.
Will comment more later.
GG! A trophy's a trophy I guess... Seriously though, why did you down your game so much after day one? I know you as a capable player, especially from LVII... I honestly don't know why I stop putting things into the thread. I'm always thinking about and lurking the game. A combination of BH was alive and I bought into DP's WIFOM bomb theory, and things just went downhill from there.
I mentioned this during the game too and it got shot down as "calling people bad", but you truly were the only confirmed town, so you were in a unique position to lead town to victory... TT
Your shot on cross was still really good though.
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On November 23 2012 06:39 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 06:24 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 23 2012 06:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 06:18 Clarity_nl wrote:it's because I was spamming and being useless, obviously. It was more that you could have been more useful to me. You never seemed to get anywhere with your questioning playstyle. You also don't PUSH your reads, and I found that scummy. Yes, your reads were known, but I didn't feel like you were really trying to convince anyone you were right, you were just going through the motions of making a case. Okay so let's take my case on snb for example. I make the case, no one disagrees, I move on. I let the case speak for me, if my case is good I won't need to spam X IS SCUM OMG As for the questioning stuff, it all came together in my list of reads posts. I can definitely see your point though. nah this just doesn't work if you have a scum read you're pretty confident in, you have to herd the town like cats. You have to keep pushing people to really think about your case. That's like the biggest difference between decent town players and really good town players. everyone is right sometimes and wrong sometimes but the really good players get the lynch when they're right.
I would've gotten you lynched instead of zbo if I was around that day, I'm certain.
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On November 23 2012 06:55 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 06:50 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 06:47 Keirathi wrote:
Oh yea, so I wanted to comment on this to DP since I told him I would:
Z-BosoN should have never been lynched. That was such lazy thinking by everyone in the town.
So, the godfather is lynched day 1. Then, during the night, marv is screaming for the vig to shoot BH (the claimed JK). If ZB was scum, he would know that BH was in fact town, and probably have deduced that BH wasn't lying about the JK claim, and would let the BH vig go through. Instead, ZB comes into the thread saying "No no no no. Don't shoot BH, shoot [my other partner] Crossfire!" Scum just doesn't do that. Period, end of story. Maybe scum ZB would have bussed him the next day, but he would 100% want the vig to waste a shot on a townie rather than his teammate. I fully considered this and STILL thought the WIFOM bomb theory made sense. Well, you had already sent in the shot on Crossfire even before he said it, so props to you. But, I still think it was a terrible lynch, and by far the worst wagon of the game.
I'm a pretty close second.
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Blazing that's a terrible mindset.
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You should be able to see why "eh, we weren't gonna lose anyway, probably" is kind of a lazy mindset.
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So he calls you lazy, you call you lazy. lazy lazy lazy
It's not a big deal, you're not all wrong, and you did win.
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By the way maybe I'm just good at picking the games, but so far every game people have said it's really active (or even, too active)
Yet it doesn't feel that way for me.
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Blazing I think all the things I would consider "bad" from your play originated from your JK claim but you already said why you did that, so there's not much to say there.
I guess maybe, when you are in a position where you are basically confirmed town, take advantage of it.
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On November 23 2012 08:17 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 08:15 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 23 2012 08:09 Blazinghand wrote:On November 23 2012 08:08 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 23 2012 08:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Yeah it's a lazy mindset, but that's my mindset now looking back on it. At the time, I thought ZB was scum and I lynched him. It was a mistake, but in retrospect, we weren't gonna lose anyways. But you came dangerously dangerously close to that. Djo could actually have pulled it off. Yes, we did come rather close to it-- with only 2 lynches left and two players to lynch into, I'm SURE Djo had a chance. What suggestions do you have for my play going forwards to avoid this in the future? Well, possibly reading more into the dead people. I found Clarity's lynch to be extreeeemely stupid as well. I also was screaming Djodref scum when I died, surely I had a reason? Aside from that I can't really say much, you had issues IRL and weren't playing like I've seen you play. And I had Djodref on my scum list, but you DO NOT lynch a guy the day he replaces in. This is a personal policy I follow-- though we can discuss the wisdom of it, I really don't like lynching replacements the first day. Also my vote was on SnB when clarity was lynched, though I suspect I personally am responsible for clarity's death since town was sheeping me.
I think I fucked myself by overreacting to snb's case. iamp showing doubt got me killed, fairly sure. Even though he was like the last to get on me
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oh Keir I never thanked you for hosting, thanks! And dandel and drazak for votecounts ofcourse.
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On November 23 2012 08:24 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 08:08 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 23 2012 08:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Yeah it's a lazy mindset, but that's my mindset now looking back on it. At the time, I thought ZB was scum and I lynched him. It was a mistake, but in retrospect, we weren't gonna lose anyways. But you came dangerously dangerously close to that. Djo could actually have pulled it off. Yeah. But he would have had to fight me tooth and nail for a week to do so. I think you of all people know how uninviting a prospect that can be. That being said. I think I should be banned or something. It is clearly against the rules to win by making others not want to play. And I'm pretty sure that is what happened here. Also, regarding your lynch, stop being so butthurt about it. It is your job to make yourself look too townie to lynch also. The responsibility is not soley on us to see how 'obviously' town you were. YOu need to endeavour to make yourself look townie as possible so it becomes impossible to lynch you. That being said, Whilst I understand keir's viewpoint and thought about that, what gonzaw says is true and is exactly what I would have done as scum. Which is the only point of reference I have. Add to that that both marv and Blazinghand thought you were scum at different points of the game and that you, like me, almost got mislynched day one. There is some work that needs to be done on your town game to stop you getting mislynched. Also anyone saying that a miller claim should be treated in the same way as a miller claim is wrong. If people disagree I would love to hear their reasoning. @clarity. I felt your play was based on emotion rather than anything substantial. Especially with your reads on myself and djo. also you need to work on posting less IMO. 100 pages on night one is ridiculous for a mini IMO. Many people in the obs qt complained about it. The amount of content generated was unnecessary and hurt town IMO as it was very difficult to find anything important in the mess. Others may have different thoughts but I think the mass posting hurt town. hmm If I have any other thoughts I'll jot them down. Also I am actually burnt out BH. Don;t know why I would lie about it. I was actually going to take a break after ACME but keir asked me to join this and I <3 keir so what could I do.
That's funny coming from someone who makes an OMGUS case on me because I made a case on him, and posted it at a really weird time.
I'm also fairly certain I'm not the only one to blame for the size of this game.
That said, yes I might have overdone it with my posting. You need to realize that D2 people were giving up though, so I was trying to keep town talking, but it ended up being me and djo a lot.
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On November 23 2012 08:33 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 08:27 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 23 2012 08:24 DarthPunk wrote:On November 23 2012 08:08 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 23 2012 08:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Yeah it's a lazy mindset, but that's my mindset now looking back on it. At the time, I thought ZB was scum and I lynched him. It was a mistake, but in retrospect, we weren't gonna lose anyways. But you came dangerously dangerously close to that. Djo could actually have pulled it off. Yeah. But he would have had to fight me tooth and nail for a week to do so. I think you of all people know how uninviting a prospect that can be. That being said. I think I should be banned or something. It is clearly against the rules to win by making others not want to play. And I'm pretty sure that is what happened here. Also, regarding your lynch, stop being so butthurt about it. It is your job to make yourself look too townie to lynch also. The responsibility is not soley on us to see how 'obviously' town you were. YOu need to endeavour to make yourself look townie as possible so it becomes impossible to lynch you. That being said, Whilst I understand keir's viewpoint and thought about that, what gonzaw says is true and is exactly what I would have done as scum. Which is the only point of reference I have. Add to that that both marv and Blazinghand thought you were scum at different points of the game and that you, like me, almost got mislynched day one. There is some work that needs to be done on your town game to stop you getting mislynched. Also anyone saying that a miller claim should be treated in the same way as a miller claim is wrong. If people disagree I would love to hear their reasoning. @clarity. I felt your play was based on emotion rather than anything substantial. Especially with your reads on myself and djo. also you need to work on posting less IMO. 100 pages on night one is ridiculous for a mini IMO. Many people in the obs qt complained about it. The amount of content generated was unnecessary and hurt town IMO as it was very difficult to find anything important in the mess. Others may have different thoughts but I think the mass posting hurt town. hmm If I have any other thoughts I'll jot them down. Also I am actually burnt out BH. Don;t know why I would lie about it. I was actually going to take a break after ACME but keir asked me to join this and I <3 keir so what could I do. That's funny coming from someone who makes an OMGUS case on me because I made a case on him, and posted it at a really weird time. I'm also fairly certain I'm not the only one to blame for the size of this game. That said, yes I might have overdone it with my posting. You need to realize that D2 people were giving up though, so I was trying to keep town talking, but it ended up being me and djo a lot. WTF?!? OMGUS lol? I made a case against you day one. I VOTED for you before you even mentioned me, I thought you were scummy day one. It was not OMGUS at all... Also if you are worried about peoples contributions, drowning out everything else in useless spam is not the way to go about it. And shutting down people who actually try to get back in the game because you don;t like what they have to say is not the way either. You are right though. I think BH spammed to much and Djo did too for obvious reasons.
You voted for me when I wagoned onto snb if I recall. I made a case on you, you made a case on me and posted it like 45 minutes before lynch when there was not way you were being lynched.
I guess I'm obviously biased but the case seemed major omgus to me.
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On November 23 2012 08:34 HeloKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 08:17 Blazinghand wrote:On November 23 2012 08:15 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 23 2012 08:09 Blazinghand wrote:On November 23 2012 08:08 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 23 2012 08:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Yeah it's a lazy mindset, but that's my mindset now looking back on it. At the time, I thought ZB was scum and I lynched him. It was a mistake, but in retrospect, we weren't gonna lose anyways. But you came dangerously dangerously close to that. Djo could actually have pulled it off. Yes, we did come rather close to it-- with only 2 lynches left and two players to lynch into, I'm SURE Djo had a chance. What suggestions do you have for my play going forwards to avoid this in the future? Well, possibly reading more into the dead people. I found Clarity's lynch to be extreeeemely stupid as well. I also was screaming Djodref scum when I died, surely I had a reason? Aside from that I can't really say much, you had issues IRL and weren't playing like I've seen you play. And I had Djodref on my scum list, but you DO NOT lynch a guy the day he replaces in. This is a personal policy I follow-- though we can discuss the wisdom of it, I really don't like lynching replacements the first day. Also my vote was on SnB when clarity was lynched, though I suspect I personally am responsible for clarity's death since town was sheeping me. Why do you have this policy? If the original player and/or the replacement are acting scummy, shouldn't you lynch them like any other player?
Depends why they get replaced. If it's not specified then it's rather hard to use anything the replaced guy says against the replacement.
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Also how did anyone try to bend me mixing up names D1 as me being scum, are there people that seriously do that?
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debears = CC from code geass. How did no one laugh at that joke?
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On November 23 2012 08:57 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 08:52 DarthPunk wrote:On November 23 2012 08:51 Blazinghand wrote:On November 23 2012 08:49 DarthPunk wrote:On November 23 2012 08:44 Blazinghand wrote:On November 23 2012 08:40 Z-BosoN wrote:
I disagree heavily with not lynching replacements. If the guy he was replacing was hella scummy, and in 48 hours you manage to act scummily and provide zero to none reads, that's more information than you have on whoever you lynched on day one. Yes, Djodref played scummy during D2, but you can't hold a guy accountable for the actions of the guy he replaced in for. I gave him 72 hours, then called him scum. This is a liberal interpretation of events. You called him scummier than me. and didn't really help me get a lynch on him as you should have if you were certain like I was. SnB was the scummiest, he was priority 1 I disagree. But fair enough. Now marv just needs to tell me my meta tell so I can change it. Scum DP would have never given a town read on S&B when he was the most popular mislynch option just to push a mislynch on someone like Djo :p
I think I explained the reasoning for scum to keep snb alive quite well. But yeah a town read might be a bit much.
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On November 23 2012 09:19 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 09:01 DarthPunk wrote:On November 23 2012 08:58 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 08:52 DarthPunk wrote:On November 23 2012 08:51 Blazinghand wrote:On November 23 2012 08:49 DarthPunk wrote:On November 23 2012 08:44 Blazinghand wrote:On November 23 2012 08:40 Z-BosoN wrote:
I disagree heavily with not lynching replacements. If the guy he was replacing was hella scummy, and in 48 hours you manage to act scummily and provide zero to none reads, that's more information than you have on whoever you lynched on day one. Yes, Djodref played scummy during D2, but you can't hold a guy accountable for the actions of the guy he replaced in for. I gave him 72 hours, then called him scum. This is a liberal interpretation of events. You called him scummier than me. and didn't really help me get a lynch on him as you should have if you were certain like I was. SnB was the scummiest, he was priority 1 I disagree. But fair enough. Now marv just needs to tell me my meta tell so I can change it. you will roll town most of the time (yes, i know you've been a bit unlucky with scum rolls) so having someone recognise you as town is pretty useful. Yes but if I can emulate it I can do it as both alignments and then everyone will know I am town regardless of alignment. Right? how does this benefit me?
You get to improve the play of others and therefore have a richer experience when you play with them
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