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I was the one who asked him what he thought of kickstart, and now you're saying it's bad he made a post on kickstart?
You say he's wishy washy, but there is a fucking conclusion at the end of that post. He points out all his observations and makes a conclusion.
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France3332 Posts
On November 20 2012 21:49 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 21:22 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 21:18 DarthPunk wrote:
Djo. Explain in your own words why clarity and Perfection are town reads. Kickstart and iamperfection. Get off my back and start reading the thread more carefully. Remove you confirmation bias goggles by the way... Kickstart and perfection then. Why are they town?
I've mentioned it here. I have never been wishy-washy on Kickstart. My conclusion was that he was town.
On November 20 2012 03:01 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 02:34 Hopeless1der wrote:Known/Assumed Flips - debears - Mario
- Hopeless1der - Luigi
- Blazinghand - Yoshi
- Marvellosity - Mushroom Citizen
- Z-Boson - Bob-omb
- Hapahauli - Bowser
- Crossfire99 - Koopa Troopa
Remaining Players are assumed to be Mushroom Citizens or the final scum, Kamek the Mafia Roleblocker- Kickstart
- Strongandbig
- Clarity_nl
- DarthPunk
- iamperfection
- Djodref
Strongandbig, if you can't tell us who the scum of that list is, can you provide town reads instead on as many players as you can? Actually, everyone should be doing that, with the understanding that reads change. BH and I are next in line, probably in that order due to being confirmed town and BH being a known strong town player. In the event that SnB is not scum, we have one mislynch Day 4 until a MYLO Day 5 (3v1). Which players do we want alive if it gets to that point?<snip> @ HopelessAt the moment, my strongest town reads are Iamp and Kickstart. Iamp looks the most concerned about this game with Clarity. He has presented good contributions and promotes a good town atmosphere for the discussion. He has shown interest and provided his insights on almost everything what was going on in the thread. Moreover, I don't feel that his posts are forced. He just looks genuinely town. He is the guy I would never want to lynch. Kickstart, even he doesn't participate enough at my taste, really gives me a first time town player feeling. I'm just coming out of my newbie games and they are full of games like him. If he was scum, I think he would have produced some Crossfire-like looking posts on day1 and that he would have already broke into pieces at this point. He needs to get free of the "I'm going to get suspicious if I post burden". I think that he could show clearly that he is town if he could post more freely. I'll give him "carte blanche" for his postings until we get at MYLO, if we have to come to this, which I doubt. I might be stupid to insist on this point, but I'm going to eat my hat if Kickstart has sniped debears. The last scum has to be an experienced player in my opinion.
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On November 20 2012 21:30 Djodref wrote:
My vote is on S&B because he was we have both been speculating the setup and I went after BH when he should have realized that he was confirmed town around the beginning of D3.
You were doing this for days after you should have realised he was town. You can't both be scum for it right. And it seems particularly hypocritical.
this is BTW the only reason you ever mention before now for your vote on S&B
On November 20 2012 21:30 Djodref wrote:
He doesn't seem to really care about this game. He is not present enough in the thread, especially at a crucial moments like the time he got almost lynched.
So you are lynching a lurker? If you are lynching a lurker why not call it that. You have not mentioned this once before now in regards to S&B
On November 20 2012 21:30 Djodref wrote:
His latest contribution is the result of of the search of every scummy thing in Clarity's filter in my eyes, not a real assessment of Clarity's alignment.
That is not a fair assessment and even if it was it is not necessarily alignment indicative .
On November 20 2012 21:30 Djodref wrote:
I know I shouldn't say that, but he is a liability given his trolly play during D1, and we would have to lynch if he was among us in MYLO or LYLO, so better sooner than later.
That is not a reason to lynch someone. Furthermore, it is patently untrue as he is not trolling, and has far more valuable contributions than yourself.
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France3332 Posts
On November 20 2012 21:45 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 21:44 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 21:12 DarthPunk wrote:On November 20 2012 21:06 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 20:58 Blazinghand wrote:
djodref you think anyone wants to actually look at those posts full of letters and algebra and stuff? especially a busy guy like DP? Really what it comes down to is given the flips and claims, there are 2 blues left alive, and they are me and hopeless1. lol, okay, I'm going to sum up everything for him. First things first, you have to check this internet page about C9++, it is a very interesting read, believe. Second, given the claims and the flips and the lack of night actions at the exception of the mafia kills and BH being RBed, our setup is defined by the following set of letters, MVCCDTT, which gives us a 100% certainty of Hopeless being Luigi and BH being Yoshi. I'm done with talking now, I'll check Clarity's filter. LOL you think I haven't read that page? The thing is I don't care about set up speculation. I would not want to lynch BH with no counter claim regardless. It's great you are done with talking. But you are not BH and if you think you can get away without telling me exactly why S&B is scum you are going to be sorely disappointed. You may think I am a bad player. and that is fine. I am comparatively to others. But I am not someone who you can roll over very easily. I have only lost one game of mafia in my 8 games. This will NOT be my second. @ DarthPunkMaybe you should take care of setup speculation. You would have understood that lynching the uncontested miller was as bad as lynching the uncontested jailkeeper. Here, I'm saying that we were both bad  All you do is talk about set-up.
I would appreciate that you would do the effort to understand my point. You cannot reproach me to have tunneled BH during D2 when you have only pursued Z-Boson the same day. I already told you that you were having double standards regarding this and I don't know if you don't understand or don't want to understand.
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On November 20 2012 21:53 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 21:49 DarthPunk wrote:On November 20 2012 21:22 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 21:18 DarthPunk wrote:
Djo. Explain in your own words why clarity and Perfection are town reads. Kickstart and iamperfection. Get off my back and start reading the thread more carefully. Remove you confirmation bias goggles by the way... Kickstart and perfection then. Why are they town? I've mentioned it here. I have never been wishy-washy on Kickstart. My conclusion was that he was town. Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 03:01 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 02:34 Hopeless1der wrote:Known/Assumed Flips - debears - Mario
- Hopeless1der - Luigi
- Blazinghand - Yoshi
- Marvellosity - Mushroom Citizen
- Z-Boson - Bob-omb
- Hapahauli - Bowser
- Crossfire99 - Koopa Troopa
Remaining Players are assumed to be Mushroom Citizens or the final scum, Kamek the Mafia Roleblocker- Kickstart
- Strongandbig
- Clarity_nl
- DarthPunk
- iamperfection
- Djodref
Strongandbig, if you can't tell us who the scum of that list is, can you provide town reads instead on as many players as you can? Actually, everyone should be doing that, with the understanding that reads change. BH and I are next in line, probably in that order due to being confirmed town and BH being a known strong town player. In the event that SnB is not scum, we have one mislynch Day 4 until a MYLO Day 5 (3v1). Which players do we want alive if it gets to that point?<snip> @ HopelessAt the moment, my strongest town reads are Iamp and Kickstart. Iamp looks the most concerned about this game with Clarity. He has presented good contributions and promotes a good town atmosphere for the discussion. He has shown interest and provided his insights on almost everything what was going on in the thread. Moreover, I don't feel that his posts are forced. He just looks genuinely town. He is the guy I would never want to lynch. Kickstart, even he doesn't participate enough at my taste, really gives me a first time town player feeling. I'm just coming out of my newbie games and they are full of games like him. If he was scum, I think he would have produced some Crossfire-like looking posts on day1 and that he would have already broke into pieces at this point. He needs to get free of the "I'm going to get suspicious if I post burden". I think that he could show clearly that he is town if he could post more freely. I'll give him "carte blanche" for his postings until we get at MYLO, if we have to come to this, which I doubt. I might be stupid to insist on this point, but I'm going to eat my hat if Kickstart has sniped debears. The last scum has to be an experienced player in my opinion.
Not really hard evidence. Just based on some 'feelings' hey. Why have you given so many town reads yet have not given any scum reads all game and have not actively scum hunted?
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On November 20 2012 21:57 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 21:45 DarthPunk wrote:On November 20 2012 21:44 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 21:12 DarthPunk wrote:On November 20 2012 21:06 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 20:58 Blazinghand wrote:
djodref you think anyone wants to actually look at those posts full of letters and algebra and stuff? especially a busy guy like DP? Really what it comes down to is given the flips and claims, there are 2 blues left alive, and they are me and hopeless1. lol, okay, I'm going to sum up everything for him. First things first, you have to check this internet page about C9++, it is a very interesting read, believe. Second, given the claims and the flips and the lack of night actions at the exception of the mafia kills and BH being RBed, our setup is defined by the following set of letters, MVCCDTT, which gives us a 100% certainty of Hopeless being Luigi and BH being Yoshi. I'm done with talking now, I'll check Clarity's filter. LOL you think I haven't read that page? The thing is I don't care about set up speculation. I would not want to lynch BH with no counter claim regardless. It's great you are done with talking. But you are not BH and if you think you can get away without telling me exactly why S&B is scum you are going to be sorely disappointed. You may think I am a bad player. and that is fine. I am comparatively to others. But I am not someone who you can roll over very easily. I have only lost one game of mafia in my 8 games. This will NOT be my second. @ DarthPunkMaybe you should take care of setup speculation. You would have understood that lynching the uncontested miller was as bad as lynching the uncontested jailkeeper. Here, I'm saying that we were both bad All you do is talk about set-up. I would appreciate that you would do the effort to understand my point. You cannot reproach me to have tunneled BH during D2 when you have only pursued Z-Boson the same day. I already told you that you were having double standards regarding this and I don't know if you don't understand or don't want to understand.
There is a HUGE difference between a miller claim and a JK claim. Furthermore I have actually scumhunted in this game and built a good case on ZB.
You did not do so with BH and have not scumhunted at all this game period.
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On November 20 2012 21:53 Clarity_nl wrote:
I was the one who asked him what he thought of kickstart, and now you're saying it's bad he made a post on kickstart?
You say he's wishy washy, but there is a fucking conclusion at the end of that post. He points out all his observations and makes a conclusion.
It was wishy washy. But I don't really care what you think.
The conclusion was that he was a newbie. And that was not difficult to see for anyone. Some conclusion right there.
It is worse for him that you asked him to make that post because that was his only real analysis or contribution on anything even remotely consisting of scum hunting. Without that he has done none whatsoever.
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France3332 Posts
On November 20 2012 21:58 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 21:53 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 21:49 DarthPunk wrote:On November 20 2012 21:22 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 21:18 DarthPunk wrote:
Djo. Explain in your own words why clarity and Perfection are town reads. Kickstart and iamperfection. Get off my back and start reading the thread more carefully. Remove you confirmation bias goggles by the way... Kickstart and perfection then. Why are they town? I've mentioned it here. I have never been wishy-washy on Kickstart. My conclusion was that he was town. On November 20 2012 03:01 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 02:34 Hopeless1der wrote:Known/Assumed Flips - debears - Mario
- Hopeless1der - Luigi
- Blazinghand - Yoshi
- Marvellosity - Mushroom Citizen
- Z-Boson - Bob-omb
- Hapahauli - Bowser
- Crossfire99 - Koopa Troopa
Remaining Players are assumed to be Mushroom Citizens or the final scum, Kamek the Mafia Roleblocker- Kickstart
- Strongandbig
- Clarity_nl
- DarthPunk
- iamperfection
- Djodref
Strongandbig, if you can't tell us who the scum of that list is, can you provide town reads instead on as many players as you can? Actually, everyone should be doing that, with the understanding that reads change. BH and I are next in line, probably in that order due to being confirmed town and BH being a known strong town player. In the event that SnB is not scum, we have one mislynch Day 4 until a MYLO Day 5 (3v1). Which players do we want alive if it gets to that point?<snip> @ HopelessAt the moment, my strongest town reads are Iamp and Kickstart. Iamp looks the most concerned about this game with Clarity. He has presented good contributions and promotes a good town atmosphere for the discussion. He has shown interest and provided his insights on almost everything what was going on in the thread. Moreover, I don't feel that his posts are forced. He just looks genuinely town. He is the guy I would never want to lynch. Kickstart, even he doesn't participate enough at my taste, really gives me a first time town player feeling. I'm just coming out of my newbie games and they are full of games like him. If he was scum, I think he would have produced some Crossfire-like looking posts on day1 and that he would have already broke into pieces at this point. He needs to get free of the "I'm going to get suspicious if I post burden". I think that he could show clearly that he is town if he could post more freely. I'll give him "carte blanche" for his postings until we get at MYLO, if we have to come to this, which I doubt. I might be stupid to insist on this point, but I'm going to eat my hat if Kickstart has sniped debears. The last scum has to be an experienced player in my opinion. Not really hard evidence. Just based on some 'feelings' hey. Why have you given so many town reads yet have not given any scum reads all game and have not actively scum hunted?
@ DarthPunk
Because I honestly thought we didn't need to. The mass claim plan was going to solve us the game with the help of logic only. And we have one and only one last scum to find. I don't see what is wrong about tunneling your top scumread only for D2 is this situation then giving top town reads before looking at the players who are left.
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On November 20 2012 22:02 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 21:53 Clarity_nl wrote:
I was the one who asked him what he thought of kickstart, and now you're saying it's bad he made a post on kickstart?
You say he's wishy washy, but there is a fucking conclusion at the end of that post. He points out all his observations and makes a conclusion. It was wishy washy. But I don't really care what you think. The conclusion was that he was a newbie. And that was not difficult to see for anyone. Some conclusion right there. It is worse for him that you asked him to make that post because that was his only real analysis or contribution on anything even remotely consisting of scum hunting. Without that he has done none whatsoever.
No, his conclusion was he was newbie town.
And the fact that you don't "care what I think" says a lot about how you're playing this game. Badly.
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On November 20 2012 21:49 Clarity_nl wrote:
His setup speculation ended up contributing though, in a big way.
Your case is such cherry picking. You say he's not scum hunting but he was tunneling blazing.
You say giving a scumread and townreads is bad when there is 1 scum left? If he is scum giving too many town reads would be bad for him since he'd have to flip flop eventually.
I'm really sad at the level of hypocrisy everyone has this game. Darth and hopeless are in such a brilliant position to just look for scum and contribute, but then they don't and eventually make cases about how others haven't contributed. But they have.
Tunnelling the JK with no analysis. Setup speculation is not scumhunting and is an easy crutch for scum to seem as if they are contributing.
His town reads are wishy washy and he has already started flip flopping.
STFU about hypocrisy. Djo has nothing resembling scumhunting at all in his filter. You are equating Posting to contribution which is Fallacious and false. I can and do post a shit ton as scum that doesn't mean I am contributing anything.
The trick is to find people who seem to be contributing but actually aren't. Like DJo.
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On November 20 2012 22:04 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 22:02 DarthPunk wrote:On November 20 2012 21:53 Clarity_nl wrote:
I was the one who asked him what he thought of kickstart, and now you're saying it's bad he made a post on kickstart?
You say he's wishy washy, but there is a fucking conclusion at the end of that post. He points out all his observations and makes a conclusion. It was wishy washy. But I don't really care what you think. The conclusion was that he was a newbie. And that was not difficult to see for anyone. Some conclusion right there. It is worse for him that you asked him to make that post because that was his only real analysis or contribution on anything even remotely consisting of scum hunting. Without that he has done none whatsoever. No, his conclusion was he was newbie town. And the fact that you don't "care what I think" says a lot about how you're playing this game. Badly.
And you are playing well? hmm. Better dive into that filter of yours and see.
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France3332 Posts
On November 20 2012 21:59 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 21:57 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 21:45 DarthPunk wrote:On November 20 2012 21:44 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 21:12 DarthPunk wrote:On November 20 2012 21:06 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 20:58 Blazinghand wrote:
djodref you think anyone wants to actually look at those posts full of letters and algebra and stuff? especially a busy guy like DP? Really what it comes down to is given the flips and claims, there are 2 blues left alive, and they are me and hopeless1. lol, okay, I'm going to sum up everything for him. First things first, you have to check this internet page about C9++, it is a very interesting read, believe. Second, given the claims and the flips and the lack of night actions at the exception of the mafia kills and BH being RBed, our setup is defined by the following set of letters, MVCCDTT, which gives us a 100% certainty of Hopeless being Luigi and BH being Yoshi. I'm done with talking now, I'll check Clarity's filter. LOL you think I haven't read that page? The thing is I don't care about set up speculation. I would not want to lynch BH with no counter claim regardless. It's great you are done with talking. But you are not BH and if you think you can get away without telling me exactly why S&B is scum you are going to be sorely disappointed. You may think I am a bad player. and that is fine. I am comparatively to others. But I am not someone who you can roll over very easily. I have only lost one game of mafia in my 8 games. This will NOT be my second. @ DarthPunkMaybe you should take care of setup speculation. You would have understood that lynching the uncontested miller was as bad as lynching the uncontested jailkeeper. Here, I'm saying that we were both bad All you do is talk about set-up. I would appreciate that you would do the effort to understand my point. You cannot reproach me to have tunneled BH during D2 when you have only pursued Z-Boson the same day. I already told you that you were having double standards regarding this and I don't know if you don't understand or don't want to understand. There is a HUGE difference between a miller claim and a JK claim. Furthermore I have actually scumhunted in this game and built a good case on ZB. You did not do so with BH and have not scumhunted at all this game period.
What was exactly the HUGE difference in our situation ? I need you to explain this in our particular case for real.
I must admit that I didn't provide a good case on BH.
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On November 20 2012 22:02 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 21:58 DarthPunk wrote:On November 20 2012 21:53 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 21:49 DarthPunk wrote:On November 20 2012 21:22 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 21:18 DarthPunk wrote:
Djo. Explain in your own words why clarity and Perfection are town reads. Kickstart and iamperfection. Get off my back and start reading the thread more carefully. Remove you confirmation bias goggles by the way... Kickstart and perfection then. Why are they town? I've mentioned it here. I have never been wishy-washy on Kickstart. My conclusion was that he was town. On November 20 2012 03:01 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 02:34 Hopeless1der wrote:Known/Assumed Flips - debears - Mario
- Hopeless1der - Luigi
- Blazinghand - Yoshi
- Marvellosity - Mushroom Citizen
- Z-Boson - Bob-omb
- Hapahauli - Bowser
- Crossfire99 - Koopa Troopa
Remaining Players are assumed to be Mushroom Citizens or the final scum, Kamek the Mafia Roleblocker- Kickstart
- Strongandbig
- Clarity_nl
- DarthPunk
- iamperfection
- Djodref
Strongandbig, if you can't tell us who the scum of that list is, can you provide town reads instead on as many players as you can? Actually, everyone should be doing that, with the understanding that reads change. BH and I are next in line, probably in that order due to being confirmed town and BH being a known strong town player. In the event that SnB is not scum, we have one mislynch Day 4 until a MYLO Day 5 (3v1). Which players do we want alive if it gets to that point?<snip> @ HopelessAt the moment, my strongest town reads are Iamp and Kickstart. Iamp looks the most concerned about this game with Clarity. He has presented good contributions and promotes a good town atmosphere for the discussion. He has shown interest and provided his insights on almost everything what was going on in the thread. Moreover, I don't feel that his posts are forced. He just looks genuinely town. He is the guy I would never want to lynch. Kickstart, even he doesn't participate enough at my taste, really gives me a first time town player feeling. I'm just coming out of my newbie games and they are full of games like him. If he was scum, I think he would have produced some Crossfire-like looking posts on day1 and that he would have already broke into pieces at this point. He needs to get free of the "I'm going to get suspicious if I post burden". I think that he could show clearly that he is town if he could post more freely. I'll give him "carte blanche" for his postings until we get at MYLO, if we have to come to this, which I doubt. I might be stupid to insist on this point, but I'm going to eat my hat if Kickstart has sniped debears. The last scum has to be an experienced player in my opinion. Not really hard evidence. Just based on some 'feelings' hey. Why have you given so many town reads yet have not given any scum reads all game and have not actively scum hunted? @ DarthPunkBecause I honestly thought we didn't need to. The mass claim plan was going to solve us the game with the help of logic only. And we have one and only one last scum to find. I don't see what is wrong about tunneling your top scumread only for D2 is this situation then giving top town reads before looking at the players who are left.
Is a 3/5 chance 'solving' the game now? I don't like those odds.
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On November 20 2012 22:02 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 21:53 Clarity_nl wrote:
I was the one who asked him what he thought of kickstart, and now you're saying it's bad he made a post on kickstart?
You say he's wishy washy, but there is a fucking conclusion at the end of that post. He points out all his observations and makes a conclusion. It was wishy washy. But I don't really care what you think. The conclusion was that he was a newbie. And that was not difficult to see for anyone. Some conclusion right there. It is worse for him that you asked him to make that post because that was his only real analysis or contribution on anything even remotely consisting of scum hunting. Without that he has done none whatsoever.
That's a lie. I have clearly stated what was my read on him after my analysis. Newbie town it is.
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On November 20 2012 22:06 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 21:59 DarthPunk wrote:On November 20 2012 21:57 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 21:45 DarthPunk wrote:On November 20 2012 21:44 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 21:12 DarthPunk wrote:On November 20 2012 21:06 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 20:58 Blazinghand wrote:
djodref you think anyone wants to actually look at those posts full of letters and algebra and stuff? especially a busy guy like DP? Really what it comes down to is given the flips and claims, there are 2 blues left alive, and they are me and hopeless1. lol, okay, I'm going to sum up everything for him. First things first, you have to check this internet page about C9++, it is a very interesting read, believe. Second, given the claims and the flips and the lack of night actions at the exception of the mafia kills and BH being RBed, our setup is defined by the following set of letters, MVCCDTT, which gives us a 100% certainty of Hopeless being Luigi and BH being Yoshi. I'm done with talking now, I'll check Clarity's filter. LOL you think I haven't read that page? The thing is I don't care about set up speculation. I would not want to lynch BH with no counter claim regardless. It's great you are done with talking. But you are not BH and if you think you can get away without telling me exactly why S&B is scum you are going to be sorely disappointed. You may think I am a bad player. and that is fine. I am comparatively to others. But I am not someone who you can roll over very easily. I have only lost one game of mafia in my 8 games. This will NOT be my second. @ DarthPunkMaybe you should take care of setup speculation. You would have understood that lynching the uncontested miller was as bad as lynching the uncontested jailkeeper. Here, I'm saying that we were both bad All you do is talk about set-up. I would appreciate that you would do the effort to understand my point. You cannot reproach me to have tunneled BH during D2 when you have only pursued Z-Boson the same day. I already told you that you were having double standards regarding this and I don't know if you don't understand or don't want to understand. There is a HUGE difference between a miller claim and a JK claim. Furthermore I have actually scumhunted in this game and built a good case on ZB. You did not do so with BH and have not scumhunted at all this game period. What was exactly the HUGE difference in our situation ? I need you to explain this in our particular case for real. I must admit that I didn't provide a good case on BH.
No and then you tunnelled him for two days after it was pointed out to you repeatedly he was town.
The thing is you haven't scumhunted at all.
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France3332 Posts
On November 20 2012 22:07 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 22:02 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 21:58 DarthPunk wrote:On November 20 2012 21:53 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 21:49 DarthPunk wrote:On November 20 2012 21:22 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 21:18 DarthPunk wrote:
Djo. Explain in your own words why clarity and Perfection are town reads. Kickstart and iamperfection. Get off my back and start reading the thread more carefully. Remove you confirmation bias goggles by the way... Kickstart and perfection then. Why are they town? I've mentioned it here. I have never been wishy-washy on Kickstart. My conclusion was that he was town. On November 20 2012 03:01 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 02:34 Hopeless1der wrote:Known/Assumed Flips - debears - Mario
- Hopeless1der - Luigi
- Blazinghand - Yoshi
- Marvellosity - Mushroom Citizen
- Z-Boson - Bob-omb
- Hapahauli - Bowser
- Crossfire99 - Koopa Troopa
Remaining Players are assumed to be Mushroom Citizens or the final scum, Kamek the Mafia Roleblocker- Kickstart
- Strongandbig
- Clarity_nl
- DarthPunk
- iamperfection
- Djodref
Strongandbig, if you can't tell us who the scum of that list is, can you provide town reads instead on as many players as you can? Actually, everyone should be doing that, with the understanding that reads change. BH and I are next in line, probably in that order due to being confirmed town and BH being a known strong town player. In the event that SnB is not scum, we have one mislynch Day 4 until a MYLO Day 5 (3v1). Which players do we want alive if it gets to that point?<snip> @ HopelessAt the moment, my strongest town reads are Iamp and Kickstart. Iamp looks the most concerned about this game with Clarity. He has presented good contributions and promotes a good town atmosphere for the discussion. He has shown interest and provided his insights on almost everything what was going on in the thread. Moreover, I don't feel that his posts are forced. He just looks genuinely town. He is the guy I would never want to lynch. Kickstart, even he doesn't participate enough at my taste, really gives me a first time town player feeling. I'm just coming out of my newbie games and they are full of games like him. If he was scum, I think he would have produced some Crossfire-like looking posts on day1 and that he would have already broke into pieces at this point. He needs to get free of the "I'm going to get suspicious if I post burden". I think that he could show clearly that he is town if he could post more freely. I'll give him "carte blanche" for his postings until we get at MYLO, if we have to come to this, which I doubt. I might be stupid to insist on this point, but I'm going to eat my hat if Kickstart has sniped debears. The last scum has to be an experienced player in my opinion. Not really hard evidence. Just based on some 'feelings' hey. Why have you given so many town reads yet have not given any scum reads all game and have not actively scum hunted? @ DarthPunkBecause I honestly thought we didn't need to. The mass claim plan was going to solve us the game with the help of logic only. And we have one and only one last scum to find. I don't see what is wrong about tunneling your top scumread only for D2 is this situation then giving top town reads before looking at the players who are left. Is a 3/5 chance 'solving' the game now? I don't like those odds.
Yeah, my plan was not perfect obviously. I was thinking at a Cop with one or two checks or masons. We would be in a good situation with just one more confirmed town, don't you think ?
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On November 20 2012 22:08 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 22:02 DarthPunk wrote:On November 20 2012 21:53 Clarity_nl wrote:
I was the one who asked him what he thought of kickstart, and now you're saying it's bad he made a post on kickstart?
You say he's wishy washy, but there is a fucking conclusion at the end of that post. He points out all his observations and makes a conclusion. It was wishy washy. But I don't really care what you think. The conclusion was that he was a newbie. And that was not difficult to see for anyone. Some conclusion right there. It is worse for him that you asked him to make that post because that was his only real analysis or contribution on anything even remotely consisting of scum hunting. Without that he has done none whatsoever. That's a lie. I have clearly stated what was my read on him after my analysis. Newbie town it is.
Ok I must have misread. regardless, the way in which you constructed that post was wishy-washy.
here is why he might be town
Here is why he could be scum
I think he is newbie town.
Which for all intents and purposes leaves a caveat, as newbie town is a lot closer to scummy than a 'Strong' town read.
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On November 20 2012 22:11 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 22:07 DarthPunk wrote:On November 20 2012 22:02 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 21:58 DarthPunk wrote:On November 20 2012 21:53 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 21:49 DarthPunk wrote:On November 20 2012 21:22 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 21:18 DarthPunk wrote:
Djo. Explain in your own words why clarity and Perfection are town reads. Kickstart and iamperfection. Get off my back and start reading the thread more carefully. Remove you confirmation bias goggles by the way... Kickstart and perfection then. Why are they town? I've mentioned it here. I have never been wishy-washy on Kickstart. My conclusion was that he was town. On November 20 2012 03:01 Djodref wrote:On November 20 2012 02:34 Hopeless1der wrote:Known/Assumed Flips - debears - Mario
- Hopeless1der - Luigi
- Blazinghand - Yoshi
- Marvellosity - Mushroom Citizen
- Z-Boson - Bob-omb
- Hapahauli - Bowser
- Crossfire99 - Koopa Troopa
Remaining Players are assumed to be Mushroom Citizens or the final scum, Kamek the Mafia Roleblocker- Kickstart
- Strongandbig
- Clarity_nl
- DarthPunk
- iamperfection
- Djodref
Strongandbig, if you can't tell us who the scum of that list is, can you provide town reads instead on as many players as you can? Actually, everyone should be doing that, with the understanding that reads change. BH and I are next in line, probably in that order due to being confirmed town and BH being a known strong town player. In the event that SnB is not scum, we have one mislynch Day 4 until a MYLO Day 5 (3v1). Which players do we want alive if it gets to that point?<snip> @ HopelessAt the moment, my strongest town reads are Iamp and Kickstart. Iamp looks the most concerned about this game with Clarity. He has presented good contributions and promotes a good town atmosphere for the discussion. He has shown interest and provided his insights on almost everything what was going on in the thread. Moreover, I don't feel that his posts are forced. He just looks genuinely town. He is the guy I would never want to lynch. Kickstart, even he doesn't participate enough at my taste, really gives me a first time town player feeling. I'm just coming out of my newbie games and they are full of games like him. If he was scum, I think he would have produced some Crossfire-like looking posts on day1 and that he would have already broke into pieces at this point. He needs to get free of the "I'm going to get suspicious if I post burden". I think that he could show clearly that he is town if he could post more freely. I'll give him "carte blanche" for his postings until we get at MYLO, if we have to come to this, which I doubt. I might be stupid to insist on this point, but I'm going to eat my hat if Kickstart has sniped debears. The last scum has to be an experienced player in my opinion. Not really hard evidence. Just based on some 'feelings' hey. Why have you given so many town reads yet have not given any scum reads all game and have not actively scum hunted? @ DarthPunkBecause I honestly thought we didn't need to. The mass claim plan was going to solve us the game with the help of logic only. And we have one and only one last scum to find. I don't see what is wrong about tunneling your top scumread only for D2 is this situation then giving top town reads before looking at the players who are left. Is a 3/5 chance 'solving' the game now? I don't like those odds. Yeah, my plan was not perfect obviously. I was thinking at a Cop with one or two checks or masons. We would be in a good situation with just one more confirmed town, don't you think ?
I don;t care about your 'plan' stop swinging the conversation back to mass claiming/ set- up.
These kind of posts are your entire filter.
I don't want to hear anything from you but scumhunting for the first time.
I want solid fucking town and scum reads backed with evidence.
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Really now. I tell you that and you say you don't care, he tells you that and you must have misread??
How dare someone while giving a townread point out the things that could be considered scummy.
Clearly when we call someone town we should ignore the scummy things and when we call someone scum we should ignore the towny things!
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On November 20 2012 22:04 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 22:02 DarthPunk wrote:On November 20 2012 21:53 Clarity_nl wrote:
I was the one who asked him what he thought of kickstart, and now you're saying it's bad he made a post on kickstart?
You say he's wishy washy, but there is a fucking conclusion at the end of that post. He points out all his observations and makes a conclusion. It was wishy washy. But I don't really care what you think. The conclusion was that he was a newbie. And that was not difficult to see for anyone. Some conclusion right there. It is worse for him that you asked him to make that post because that was his only real analysis or contribution on anything even remotely consisting of scum hunting. Without that he has done none whatsoever. No, his conclusion was he was newbie town. And the fact that you don't "care what I think" says a lot about how you're playing this game. Badly.
How about you contribute something other than calling people bad when they try to find scum? If you are town I fear you are under the illusion you are somehow playing well.
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