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On November 16 2012 23:26 Clarity_nl wrote:marv voted for zbo too, and I agree with djo that thinking everyone who was on hapa is town is wrong. Especially the early voters, they might just be trying to get townie points, it was extremely unlikely that hapa was gonna get lynched. Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 11:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Ok. Couple of thoughts without looking back.
The assumption that everyone who jumped on hapa is town is bad.
Odds are, the last two people who jumped on hapa are town.
To me it seems likely that there is scum in the first couple of people jumping on hapa, because they didn't expect (like me) him to get lynched. Easy townie points with nearly no risk.
Marv was unusually quiet near the end.
BH said jump on hapa, lol jk wait d2, lol lets jump on hapa ##vote Hapa. Now he's claiming town credit? Ehhh....
You are missing a very very obvious point
WHY WOULD SCUM LYNCH THEIR GODFATHER AND BEST PLAYER DAY 1 ON A STUPID LAST MINUTE VOTESWING WHEN THEY COULD HAVE EASILY LYNCHED ZBO TO SAVE HAPA?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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On November 16 2012 23:30 Clarity_nl wrote:
Like I said. Scum could have jumped on hapa, not expecting anyone to follow.
For the same reason I said the last ones to jump on are most likely town.
You don't have to use all caps to get your point across.
No. They would just jump back on zbo. In a last minute voteswing to a player d1, it is understandable to switch your vote off the swinger scum could have done that and saved hapa without too much suspicion.
Town cred means jack shit late game if you lynch your best player, godfather, and thread presence leader.
Crossfire had no thread presence. Do you really think the mafia do that d1. If you do, you are being am idiot
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Ill bring up day1 stuff at my comp later. You and djo are being unreasonable right now
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On November 16 2012 23:42 Clarity_nl wrote:
So what you're saying is.
Hapahauli (6): Z-BosoN, Blazinghand, debears, iamperfection, Kickstart, DarthPunk
All of these people are confirmed town?
Let me help you out
Town:
Me
Iamp
Kickstart
Dp
Zbo
2 scum voted zbo. He's town.
Iamp has been townie since halfway thru d1 and one the same page as me
Kickstart is cute
Dp hammered hapa
So that leaves bh, you, djo, and snb
Not voting for hapa much scummier than voting for hapa
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Clarity, which has less assumptions?
Scum voting for hapa:
Wanted to bus their active, best player and godfather for town cred d1 on a last minute voteswing
Wanted to bus said player over zbo, who had 8 votes on him on a last minute voteswing
Wanted to depend on crossfire and himself to carry the team. Lol
*remember how hapa said he was afk? Why would scum do that if hapa wasnt in the thread and couldnt talk himself out of being lynched? So dumb*
Scum voting not hapa:
Easy lynch on Zbo
Save the godfather and best mafia player
By that logic, I now find djo town. Scum thrawn wouldve voted zbo to save hapa
*the voting was close. Scum risks almost nothing by switching off hapa*
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On November 17 2012 00:03 Clarity_nl wrote:
So why the 180 on me? Kickstart is cute? I remember you saying that about me in the last hour of night.
Because of process of elimination makes you a top target. You and snb are my top targets.
Djo I find you town
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On November 17 2012 00:13 Clarity_nl wrote:
The two people that were lynch candidates at the very end were Hapa and Zbo.
Hapa and crossfire voted zbo.
Conclusion, zbo is town?!?
Zbo had 8 votes on him with 5 minutes left. 2 of those votes were scum. Yeah theyd surely bus him d1
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On November 17 2012 00:27 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 00:08 debears wrote:On November 17 2012 00:03 Clarity_nl wrote:
So why the 180 on me? Kickstart is cute? I remember you saying that about me in the last hour of night. Because of process of elimination makes you a top target. You and snb are my top targets. Djo I find you town @ debearsEven if I agree with your conclusion, your logic is wrong because thrawn was not around the lynch deadline. You cannot guess (and me neither) what he could have done in reaction to the sudden Hapa wagon. Were you sure that Hapa was going to get lynched when you switched your vote on him ?
Who would be sure? All I knew is that 3/4 others said they were down to switch right away and we all did immediately.
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On November 17 2012 00:27 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 00:08 debears wrote:On November 17 2012 00:03 Clarity_nl wrote:
So why the 180 on me? Kickstart is cute? I remember you saying that about me in the last hour of night. Because of process of elimination makes you a top target. You and snb are my top targets. Djo I find you town @ debearsEven if I agree with your conclusion, your logic is wrong because thrawn was not around the lynch deadline. You cannot guess (and me neither) what he could have done in reaction to the sudden Hapa wagon. Were you sure that Hapa was going to get lynched when you switched your vote on him ?
Djo, if thrawn was scum, and hapa was gonna get lynched, I don't see any reason for him not to be there to switch his vote.
However, yes if thrawn was just not around as scum that is plausible. I find it unlikely but plausible
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On November 17 2012 01:15 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 01:01 debears wrote:On November 17 2012 00:27 Djodref wrote:On November 17 2012 00:08 debears wrote:On November 17 2012 00:03 Clarity_nl wrote:
So why the 180 on me? Kickstart is cute? I remember you saying that about me in the last hour of night. Because of process of elimination makes you a top target. You and snb are my top targets. Djo I find you town @ debearsEven if I agree with your conclusion, your logic is wrong because thrawn was not around the lynch deadline. You cannot guess (and me neither) what he could have done in reaction to the sudden Hapa wagon. Were you sure that Hapa was going to get lynched when you switched your vote on him ? Djo, if thrawn was scum, and hapa was gonna get lynched, I don't see any reason for him not to be there to switch his vote. However, yes if thrawn was just not around as scum that is plausible. I find it unlikely but plausible Thrawn was around, my bad. I didn't see his post in all the spamming stuff  Anyway, I have a good reason for any scum to not save Hapa at this time. Imagine you are scum, one of your teammate is under a lot of pressure (something like a last minute bandwagon against him at the end of D1), do you want to jump into the flames to save him and be the first one to be lynched when town finally flips him (because town eventually will if your partner escaped a lynch in extremis) or do you want to stab him in the back ? I know you are the kind of "jumping into the flames" scum (Dandel Ion hard defense in NMM XIXX, I remember  ) but you know that it was bad play...
That was way different. That was not d1. Dandel was not our most important member <<<< I was. Also, Dandel and CC had an association case going. It was a risk I took and we won
Here, it was d1. Hapa was most likely the best player on the scum team. He had thread presence. He was their godfather. It makes no sense to not defend him against a last minute swing if you are scum when it's that close
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And notice who hasn't shown up yet still? SnB.
Btw guys. I'm 90% certain SnB will flip scum. This is all for a "break in case of emergency" glass case in case he isn't
SnB must be lynched today based on his play so far
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I find it funny how snb made the claim, and his only scumhunting contribution rule was saying kenpachi rule on me and (zbo?), even though he said he didn't mean to claim.
Anyways will be back in a few hours
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##Unvote
Considering you did tell me twice about the iamp timing thing, there is some hope that you are town
Let's see where this goes.
@SnB
1) You're "scum wouldn't do that' defense is WIFOM. You know this shit. Why even bring it up? Scum can do anything. You know better than that as town
2) You haven't given any thoughts other than BH for scumreads
3) "You didn't want to be serious day 1" - Then why did you join the fucking game? You make this game so much harder for those of us who try if you are actually town. That's dogshit and you know it. Give the spot to someone who wants it next time (if you are town)
Honestly, those 3 points make me want to autolynch you. You're playing the sympathy "boo hoo I didn't want to try" card
You're either horseshit town or scum. Now, if you are town, show me by making reads damnit
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On November 17 2012 09:31 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote:On November 17 2012 09:27 Blazinghand wrote:On November 17 2012 09:22 strongandbig wrote:
And here's something else you're ignoring - your claim makes even less sense from a town point of view. You claimed early in day 1 when you had like three votes on you. If you were town, by doing this you would have unnecessarily ruined your effectiveness as a town power role.
My claim makes perfect sense. I was under heavy pressure, and they weren't listening to my arguments. I didn't want to be on the lynch table, and honestly any analysis and voting is infinitely more important than being a JK. The number one role of any blue player is to play like a VT-- the blue powers are just a bonus on top, especially in Normal games. The blue powers I used to avoid a shitty mislynch D1 and focus the discussion. And hey, it worked, too. On November 17 2012 09:22 strongandbig wrote:
The argument that your claim is "uncontested" is completely irrelevant. This is not an open setup. I mentioned this above. Your claim is also unverifiable, making it a good claim for scum.
It's not irrelevant. There's now town JKer counterclaiming me, and you can't just toss that out the window-- so far there is one blue claim other than myself, and that's all. I'm uncontested. On November 17 2012 09:22 strongandbig wrote:
The thing is, nothing about your behavior in this game resembles your town play. Your cases are terrible, your arguments are terrible, and your thread presence isn't constructive.
If you're gonna pull a meta argument, show me a damn game inw hich I act like this as scum, I double dog dare you On November 17 2012 09:22 strongandbig wrote:
And I don't have to "defeat" your argument about lynching Hapa. You did that yourself. how The fuck you were you were not under heavy pressure you have talked about this constantly. Your claim didnt make any sense and you knew it. Stop acting like you made some great play because you didn't. you are delusional. Do you not read your own coaching tips??????????? My claim was necessary. I played bad and was forced to claim, but the claim itself, given the circumstances, was the right call.
You were not forced to claim. That's a lie
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Can we double lynch BH and SnB????
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On November 17 2012 09:36 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 09:35 debears wrote:On November 17 2012 09:31 Blazinghand wrote:On November 17 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote:On November 17 2012 09:27 Blazinghand wrote:On November 17 2012 09:22 strongandbig wrote:
And here's something else you're ignoring - your claim makes even less sense from a town point of view. You claimed early in day 1 when you had like three votes on you. If you were town, by doing this you would have unnecessarily ruined your effectiveness as a town power role.
My claim makes perfect sense. I was under heavy pressure, and they weren't listening to my arguments. I didn't want to be on the lynch table, and honestly any analysis and voting is infinitely more important than being a JK. The number one role of any blue player is to play like a VT-- the blue powers are just a bonus on top, especially in Normal games. The blue powers I used to avoid a shitty mislynch D1 and focus the discussion. And hey, it worked, too. On November 17 2012 09:22 strongandbig wrote:
The argument that your claim is "uncontested" is completely irrelevant. This is not an open setup. I mentioned this above. Your claim is also unverifiable, making it a good claim for scum.
It's not irrelevant. There's now town JKer counterclaiming me, and you can't just toss that out the window-- so far there is one blue claim other than myself, and that's all. I'm uncontested. On November 17 2012 09:22 strongandbig wrote:
The thing is, nothing about your behavior in this game resembles your town play. Your cases are terrible, your arguments are terrible, and your thread presence isn't constructive.
If you're gonna pull a meta argument, show me a damn game inw hich I act like this as scum, I double dog dare you On November 17 2012 09:22 strongandbig wrote:
And I don't have to "defeat" your argument about lynching Hapa. You did that yourself. how The fuck you were you were not under heavy pressure you have talked about this constantly. Your claim didnt make any sense and you knew it. Stop acting like you made some great play because you didn't. you are delusional. Do you not read your own coaching tips??????????? My claim was necessary. I played bad and was forced to claim, but the claim itself, given the circumstances, was the right call. You were not forced to claim. That's a lie If I didn't feel I was forced to claim, then why did I claim?
That's a good question. I can't answer that.
But you were not forced to claim so fucking early d1. You fucking know that. You basically nullify your whole use d1 with that shit
##Vote BH
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Honestly I'm tired of the shit you and SnB have done this game.
Your claim d1 and play makes no sense from either fucking perspective. SnB's play makes no sense from either perspective
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On November 17 2012 09:39 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 09:38 debears wrote:On November 17 2012 09:36 Blazinghand wrote:On November 17 2012 09:35 debears wrote:On November 17 2012 09:31 Blazinghand wrote:On November 17 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote:On November 17 2012 09:27 Blazinghand wrote:On November 17 2012 09:22 strongandbig wrote:
And here's something else you're ignoring - your claim makes even less sense from a town point of view. You claimed early in day 1 when you had like three votes on you. If you were town, by doing this you would have unnecessarily ruined your effectiveness as a town power role.
My claim makes perfect sense. I was under heavy pressure, and they weren't listening to my arguments. I didn't want to be on the lynch table, and honestly any analysis and voting is infinitely more important than being a JK. The number one role of any blue player is to play like a VT-- the blue powers are just a bonus on top, especially in Normal games. The blue powers I used to avoid a shitty mislynch D1 and focus the discussion. And hey, it worked, too. On November 17 2012 09:22 strongandbig wrote:
The argument that your claim is "uncontested" is completely irrelevant. This is not an open setup. I mentioned this above. Your claim is also unverifiable, making it a good claim for scum.
It's not irrelevant. There's now town JKer counterclaiming me, and you can't just toss that out the window-- so far there is one blue claim other than myself, and that's all. I'm uncontested. On November 17 2012 09:22 strongandbig wrote:
The thing is, nothing about your behavior in this game resembles your town play. Your cases are terrible, your arguments are terrible, and your thread presence isn't constructive.
If you're gonna pull a meta argument, show me a damn game inw hich I act like this as scum, I double dog dare you On November 17 2012 09:22 strongandbig wrote:
And I don't have to "defeat" your argument about lynching Hapa. You did that yourself. how The fuck you were you were not under heavy pressure you have talked about this constantly. Your claim didnt make any sense and you knew it. Stop acting like you made some great play because you didn't. you are delusional. Do you not read your own coaching tips??????????? My claim was necessary. I played bad and was forced to claim, but the claim itself, given the circumstances, was the right call. You were not forced to claim. That's a lie If I didn't feel I was forced to claim, then why did I claim? That's a good question. I can't answer that. But you were not forced to claim so fucking early d1. You fucking know that. You basically nullify your whole use d1 with that shit ##Vote BH I claimed halfway through D1, that's not "so fucking early" that's "just right" and you (should) know that.
JK CLAIM HALFWAY THROUGH DAY 1??????
Wow. wow. wow. Alright I'm down to lynch BH guys
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On November 17 2012 09:40 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 09:40 debears wrote:On November 17 2012 09:39 Blazinghand wrote:On November 17 2012 09:38 debears wrote:On November 17 2012 09:36 Blazinghand wrote:On November 17 2012 09:35 debears wrote:On November 17 2012 09:31 Blazinghand wrote:On November 17 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote:On November 17 2012 09:27 Blazinghand wrote:On November 17 2012 09:22 strongandbig wrote:
And here's something else you're ignoring - your claim makes even less sense from a town point of view. You claimed early in day 1 when you had like three votes on you. If you were town, by doing this you would have unnecessarily ruined your effectiveness as a town power role.
My claim makes perfect sense. I was under heavy pressure, and they weren't listening to my arguments. I didn't want to be on the lynch table, and honestly any analysis and voting is infinitely more important than being a JK. The number one role of any blue player is to play like a VT-- the blue powers are just a bonus on top, especially in Normal games. The blue powers I used to avoid a shitty mislynch D1 and focus the discussion. And hey, it worked, too. On November 17 2012 09:22 strongandbig wrote:
The argument that your claim is "uncontested" is completely irrelevant. This is not an open setup. I mentioned this above. Your claim is also unverifiable, making it a good claim for scum.
It's not irrelevant. There's now town JKer counterclaiming me, and you can't just toss that out the window-- so far there is one blue claim other than myself, and that's all. I'm uncontested. On November 17 2012 09:22 strongandbig wrote:
The thing is, nothing about your behavior in this game resembles your town play. Your cases are terrible, your arguments are terrible, and your thread presence isn't constructive.
If you're gonna pull a meta argument, show me a damn game inw hich I act like this as scum, I double dog dare you On November 17 2012 09:22 strongandbig wrote:
And I don't have to "defeat" your argument about lynching Hapa. You did that yourself. how The fuck you were you were not under heavy pressure you have talked about this constantly. Your claim didnt make any sense and you knew it. Stop acting like you made some great play because you didn't. you are delusional. Do you not read your own coaching tips??????????? My claim was necessary. I played bad and was forced to claim, but the claim itself, given the circumstances, was the right call. You were not forced to claim. That's a lie If I didn't feel I was forced to claim, then why did I claim? That's a good question. I can't answer that. But you were not forced to claim so fucking early d1. You fucking know that. You basically nullify your whole use d1 with that shit ##Vote BH I claimed halfway through D1, that's not "so fucking early" that's "just right" and you (should) know that. JK CLAIM HALFWAY THROUGH DAY 1?????? Wow. wow. wow. Alright I'm down to lynch BH guys I'm confused. Are you being sarcastic?
No. You were not under real threat halfway through day 1 and you claimed. That's so dumb as a jk. So fucking dumb
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On November 17 2012 09:42 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 09:41 debears wrote:On November 17 2012 09:40 Blazinghand wrote:On November 17 2012 09:40 debears wrote:On November 17 2012 09:39 Blazinghand wrote:On November 17 2012 09:38 debears wrote:On November 17 2012 09:36 Blazinghand wrote:On November 17 2012 09:35 debears wrote:On November 17 2012 09:31 Blazinghand wrote:On November 17 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote:
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The fuck you were you were not under heavy pressure you have talked about this constantly. Your claim didnt make any sense and you knew it. Stop acting like you made some great play because you didn't. you are delusional. Do you not read your own coaching tips??????????? My claim was necessary. I played bad and was forced to claim, but the claim itself, given the circumstances, was the right call. You were not forced to claim. That's a lie If I didn't feel I was forced to claim, then why did I claim? That's a good question. I can't answer that. But you were not forced to claim so fucking early d1. You fucking know that. You basically nullify your whole use d1 with that shit ##Vote BH I claimed halfway through D1, that's not "so fucking early" that's "just right" and you (should) know that. JK CLAIM HALFWAY THROUGH DAY 1?????? Wow. wow. wow. Alright I'm down to lynch BH guys I'm confused. Are you being sarcastic? No. You were not under real threat halfway through day 1 and you claimed. That's so dumb as a jk. So fucking dumb Wait, did you not already know the timing and nature of my roleclaim? What? ._.
I know the timing of your fucking claim. I knew it made no sense from either perspective. I didn't want to lynch an uncontested jk claim d1 - that's fucking retarded. But honestly, you keep saying it was necessary instead of manning the fuck up and saying your play was just horrible. Your claim was not forced. You were not under real threat. 3 votes midway through d1 =/= real threat
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