Mario Mini Mafia - Page 14

On November 17 2012 00:18 debears wrote:


Zbo had 8 votes on him with 5 minutes left. 2 of those votes were scum. Yeah theyd surely bus him d1

On November 17 2012 00:18 iamperfection wrote:

does that make him scum or does it simply displease you.

If you want to say something to him in regards to him being scum or not then say it otherwise stop wasting time.

On November 17 2012 00:44 Djodref wrote:
I think we should not speculate too much over the possibility of an SK until we see 2 kills during one night.

On November 17 2012 00:51 iamperfection wrote:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9++

There cant be more than 3 scum. Also if we take the blues word there isn't two scum.

On November 17 2012 00:57 Djodref wrote:


Yeah but this creates confusion and it can be a great opportunity to catch scum. I think it would have been more difficult to find you last game if not for the Cheesecake situation which was also last minute. I think it's difficult for scum to fake emotional last minute decisions (I personally think that intuition and rationality still take a small part).
How do you think we found you last game ?

On November 17 2012 05:56 strongandbig wrote:
Now, it looks like the "cases" on me (such as they are) mostly boil down to "lol kill the troll." That's scum doing your thinking for you. No, it's not "kill the troll". It's "kill the anti-town who's likely to flip scum"

Scum don't sit there and troll and hope they win; or if they do, they are morons and will lose. Scum try to look like they're helping town; they try to look pro-town without actually being pro-town, or sometimes they actually do try and play pro-town but just do so in a way that doesn't aim town at their teammates. But scum don't sit there and post "lol lol," unless they've established for themselves a character in other games that they think will allow them to get away with posting "lol lol".
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Other than "he's a troll let's kill him with fire so he can't regenerate hit points," there seem to be two arguments in favor of lynching me: that I haven't done much to help town except sit here and troll; and, alternatively, that I've been posting the way I have as part of an elaborate plot to play "outside my scum meta"
Again, you're missing the point. I don't buy your VT claim, and I don't buy the fact that in the last 10 minutes before lynchtime you went off to play dota, true or not, doesn't matter."

The "he hasn't been helping town" argument is stupid as an argument for why to kill me. You don't want to kill people who aren't helping town, unless you think they are scum. Wasting your kill on a townie who's not trying hurts town way more than that townie ever did.

"He hasn't been helping town" is also stupid as an argument for why I'm scum. I haven't been pretending to help town without actually doing it, which is what scum do. What I've been doing is posting my honest unfiltered thoughts for the thread. Scum don't do that. It's too easy to fuck up and get caught, through inconsistency, through letting loose extra information, or just through generally revealing their mindset.
The last three paragraphs are all an overexplanation. You didn't care whatsoever until you got attention and votes, which alignment would do that? Seeing as you know so much about how scum thinks?"

Scum don't sit around and just kind of grumple around in the thread. Scum will either try to follow the thread or to mislead the thread, and I was not doing either of those. Like half my posts were expressing my very real suspicions of BH, even though no one was really listening to me.
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Now, let's look at the other argument - "he's posting like this because of his 'scum meta'."
I never made this argument. In fact very early into the thread someone pointed out you're not like either meta, so we have to read you by what you've done THIS game, the answer is nothing.

First, this argument is wrong, for a couple of reasons. If I was really trying to "go against my scum meta" by consciously manipulating my posting, I would be trying to emulate my "town meta" rather than "just posting whatever the fuck I feel like." There may or may not be a difference between my "town meta" and my "scum meta". That difference is plain if you just look at the last scum game I played. However, the difference isn't "when I'm town I troll and when I'm scum I tryhard." I can tryhard plenty as town too; my town games have had a variety of different posting styles and argumentative styles. It would be way easier for me to fit within that spectrum if I was doing this to avoid being caught by a meta case.

There's one other reason why this argument is bad. It relies on the implicit assumption that I'm functionally retarded.
For me to think that "posting nothing but non-grammatical insults and generally make myself look like a huge troll who doesn't care" is the proper reaction to hearing "your posts tend to feel more constructed when you're scum" would be ridiculous. If my primary motivation really was "avoid being caught on a meta case," there are other ways of playing that would have been both (A) far more effective, and (B) much easier to fake than what I did on day 1 of this game. Like, in my two recent scum games, I've "done nothing but sheep other people's cases and try to blend in" and "try to be a town leader by claiming blue really early and pushing cases really hard and shit." There's a whole spectrum of room between those two that I could have hidden in.
If you really believe that I'm scum because my posts were "intentionally constructed to seem off-the-cuff and poorly thought out", then you have to also believe that I'm stupid.

I'm not stupid.
The fact that you are not stupid is working against you. You choose to be stupid D1 and N1.
Town motivation: None
Scum motivation: Be able to post without people really caring.

I don't make a meta argument, and you come out saying "as scum I play like this!" Really?

On November 17 2012 23:59 strongandbig wrote:


Yeah so here's what I'm going to do now - I'm going to read the cases on ZB, and his defenses, and peoples' reactions to them, and tell you what I think of that stuff. I think that's the second highest priority for me right now after trying to convince people that BH is scum.

BTW clarity, let's talk about a couple of things regarding your conviction that I'm scum.

(1) Part of your case was that I was lying about playing dota at deadline. Now that I've provided proof that I was not lying, does that part change?

(2) You commented on the first part of my defense, which I think of as the "answers to general arguments for me being scum." However, you haven't commented on the second part of my defense, the "explanation of my filter." There were several things in there that I think were important in terms of responding to the arguments you make in your case. I would like you to tell me what you think of the following points I make:

• Do you think I am lying in my explanation of the "accidental VT claim"? If so, what don't you believe?
  
• What do you think about my explanation of the substance behind the Kenpachi rule? (a) Do you agree that there is a substantial argument to be made there? (b) Do you believe me when I say that to me, it's a real scumhunting technique? Does that make you reconsider anything about my filter?
  
• All in all - do you believe or disbelieve my argument that "even though I didn't put any effort into the form of my posts, there was a higher level of involvement with the thread going on than the form of the posts would indicate?
  

On November 18 2012 00:14 strongandbig wrote:








Clarity do you still feel suspicious about BH's behavior close to the deadline?

On November 18 2012 02:40 debears wrote:




Just found this in the thread. Notice that both comments are after lynch deadline is over.

Hapa knows he is lynched at this point. Why does he bring up Z-Bo out of all people? There was BH and me on him the whole time. But he brings up Z-Bo out of all people.

Why does his demeanor change so quickly from pissed at Z-Bo to "gg yo"?

Hapa's remark on Z-Bo feels forced reading this

@Iamp



LOL