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On November 05 2012 04:15 Alsn wrote: I think the thread so far has demonstrated quite clearly the flaw with your idea that not answering a particular question is inherently scummy. Even if we assume that only the scum have refused to answer your question(unlikely, from where I'm sitting) it would mean that at least one townie is among that group. Yes, I've recognized my flaw and changed it to a possible scum tell. Again, the exaggeration was because I wanted people to answer, threat of being under suspect helps with that. | ||
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When I make posts I generally have the thread in a different tab and check before I post and you pointed out what I wanted to. It kind of ticked me off because I felt clever, so I changed my post and put it up anyway. The reason I didn't post for a while then was because I wasn't home. Thanks for answering my question. | ||
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On November 05 2012 04:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: @Clarity I agree with the fluff point on your case of Debears - fluff creating more fluff because fluff is fluffy fluff. (Fluff = confidence from last game). The first point, however, you say that he was trying to halt discussion. I'd disagree, Debears and I both wanted Djo to stop because the argument was, well, ridiculous in nature. It was pretty much going in circles and if we hadn't stopped it, we'd still be drowned in it. I guess my problem with it is mainly that he didn't replace it with anything. I'm sure once someone had something useful to say it would've stopped Djo. | ||
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I have the case in hand, I will post it if it looks like I'll be lynched, otherwise I will post it tomorrow. Djo was trying to pressure me into posting my case on him, starts adding that he won't be around for lynchtime, that's fine. I come back, you and him both have cases on me, and turns out Djo is in South Korea(??) so he's not around for 7 hours before lynchtime. He then points out that I just don't want him to put up a defense, says he's going to bed, replies to my post 10 minutes later emphasizing that if I post a case on him it just means I don't want him to be there to defend himself. I feel set up, but nothing I can do. I didn't go from "this" to "that". Notice how I said: "Yes Djo my case was going to be about you" | ||
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"My case was going to be about djo but he made it so I can't post a useful case on him" | ||
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On November 05 2012 07:04 debears wrote: @Clarity He did say he'd be back a few hours before lynch right? And is there anything new in your case that hasn't been said yet about him? The point he repeated over and over is that I didn't want him to defend himself, which simply isn't true. His point being that he's afraid I'll post the case right after he leaves and by the time he returns everyone has made up his mind, I don't want this result either, so I'm holding off. Yes it has new stuff, but nothing huge. Mainly it links all the inconsistencies he has, and how he's consistent in something he was not last game. | ||
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On November 05 2012 07:21 Alsn wrote: Oh I see, you're talking about Djod being afk. I agree with debears here, I don't understand why you wouldn't make a case against Djod just because he left. If you thought he was the most likely to be scum, you should have went for it. A lot of things changed, mainly the fact that I slept for 5 hours in the middle of the day and woke up to two cases against me and a bunch of posts by Djo saying "Clarity is just waiting until I leave so he can screw me over". It feels unfair, I think he has a point but it still pisses me off. On November 03 2012 12:49 Clarity_nl wrote: I agree, this isn't much better than making a Djodref smiley case. I think the two things to take away from all this though: - Debears defended Cheese - Djodref tunneling Cheese Might become useful later. Anyone remember this post? To which debears replied: On November 03 2012 12:53 debears wrote: Besides stating the obvious, do you agree with me or djo on this? Now, debears calls everyone usless one way or the other so that's a null tell, but I just found this and I can't tell if this makes scumteam debears/djo more or less likely? After this there are a bunch of instances of one following the other. It's rather interesting that he asked me to pick between him and djo, rather than asking me if Cheese's joke is a null tell or not. Am I just getting paranoid now? I need fresh eyes. | ||
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I don't think there's a way for me to comment on cheese without screwing myself over. I don't think "staying neutral" is a scum tell on D1, but people clearly think so since it's the lynchpin (lol) of the cases on me. | ||
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I'm not convinced that it's scummy though, as I think keeping a clear head and taking in as much information as possible is most important day 1. I find there are always people to push information out of others, and I feel that (for me personally) if I push people I tend to get confirmation bias, so I avoid it early. | ||
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On November 05 2012 07:48 Obzy wrote: I've been worried about Cheese, but nobody has seemed interested in grilling him. I don't really feel comfortable questioning people rapidly, my posting is too slow to keep up with a forum argument. I want to know who the two people he thinks are scum, and any neutral reads. (Honestly, I like lists, so I want him to list his town reads, too. But he's hinted at an aversion to lists so With regards to Clar's post just now - "I don't think "staying neutral" is a scum tell on D1" - whyever not? You should be showing that you are town through your actions. Staying neutral is ridiculous. If you don't have an opinion whatsoever, you should have a reason for it- like, "My house caught fire and my dog died and I was kidnapped by terrorists and thusly I haven't been reading the thread at all so I have no opinions." If your opinion is that every single person looks towny or scummy, cool. Whatever. Judgment problems maybe, but at least it's honest. Not wanting to hold an opinion[being neutral] is what doesn't make any sense, unless you're afraid of being wrong. CC hasn't had anybody go after him, he's had a fairly soft impact on the direction that the thread has been taking. Why would he fear being wrong? He wouldn't necessarily be the one who was blamed. IMO, anyways. I don't feel comfortable voting CC today because nobody has really gone after him so it would feel very sudden, but I really would like to see people looking at him a bit more. He should appreciate that too, because it gives him a chance to open up and not look so "neutral"; and also prevents him from "avoiding attention and skating by". Let me rephrase... I don't think that because you're not pushing hard /you're not accusing someone of being scum is being scummy. I actually feel that (WIFOM incoming) scum wants to be active in this format, and gain town favor early, ride that out to a win. @ Rad He's being accused of the same things I am, if I argue for/against Cheese it'll all be major WIFOM | ||
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On November 05 2012 08:17 Alsn wrote: Someone talked about DST going into effect in the U.S. today I think? Don't remember who it was. The lynch is one hour later compared to pre DST changes in Europe, but since there were DST changes, it's 2:00 am again for me. Okay, now I'm confused. When is lynch time? | ||
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Is there ANYONE other than sylver here that thinks debears might be scum? Seriously doubting right about now... | ||
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