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On November 03 2012 23:35 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 21:23 Clarity_nl wrote:
Where did I make a list? Unless you're talking about my reads on everyone, which I don't see can ever be a bad thing.
You are the one who pointed out that it is a plurality lynch, and that we should not focus too deeply on a select few.
My "list" forces everyone to comment on it, and perhaps gain insight on others through my observations or sees a flaw in my logic and helps me out by pointing it out.
Yeah, I've read that lists are generally a mafia tell, or newbie town, but this is only the case if they do not contribute.
Are you saying that my post will not contribute? Don't do lists like that. They really aren't that helpful. You ask too many questions and you can't pursue them, which is something scum want. Pick a couple people at a time to pursue and question them specifically on stuff. No more lists like that
Hmm, I disagree but sure, no more lists this game. What do you think Djo's read of sylver's post?
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EBWOP never mind, ninja'd me.
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On November 03 2012 22:06 da0ud wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 22:01 Djodref wrote:
Definition of casting suspicion: suggest that something or someone might be suspect
I had to look up in the dictionary to be sure ^^
This coupled to the fact that his reasons to vote debears are insufficient in my eyes (you vote someone for some facts, not because he is fluffy without showing where he is fluffy) made sylverfire my top scumread right now. I see your point Djodref but I don't think because someone else votes another one for being a "poor" contirbutor and sees that as a scum read would make himself scum. He is trying to put pressure on Debears in order to get him to maybe post less and better content.
That wasn't his point though, and why do you assume (or know) that sylver's motivations are to put pressure on debears?
On November 03 2012 23:35 da0ud wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 23:21 Djodref wrote:
I'm not sure to understand exactly what you mean...
Are you saying that I purposely misinterpret what sylver has said and done to attack him ?
Could you clarify where you think I am wrong ? Yes. Explanation of where I think you are wrong is in the previous post : the same one you said i am defending Slyfire and he can use it as a rope to start his own defense. What is the point of your question if you already replied to its own answer ?
You say you explained in your previous post but you didn't. You are accusing Djodref of accusing someone against his better judgement... Please be more specific with what you disagree with in his posts.
On November 04 2012 00:29 da0ud wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 23:59 debears wrote:
@Djo
What do you think of my points on Sylver? your case against Sylver is way more constructed than Djo's initial scumslip read. I agree on most point apart maybe for the last point in red which might be over exagerated interpretation. Dont you think Debears ?
I think I understand what you mean by this, but you're going to have to clarify. Stop being so vague!
My interpretation of what you mean: "Just because sylver said the townies are dedicated doesn't mean he knows who the townies are, he just meant people in general during the daycycle"
I'm not sure I agree with you... but you could still be more clear!
On November 04 2012 00:31 da0ud wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 23:54 Djodref wrote:On November 03 2012 23:35 da0ud wrote:On November 03 2012 23:21 Djodref wrote:
I'm not sure to understand exactly what you mean...
Are you saying that I purposely misinterpret what sylver has said and done to attack him ?
Could you clarify where you think I am wrong ? Yes. Explanation of where I think you are wrong is in the previous post : the same one you said i am defending Slyfire and he can use it as a rope to start his own defense. What is the point of your question if you already replied to its own answer ? @ daoudOk, so you are not defending sylver but attacking me for misinterpreting the thread. Could you please tell me exactly where I misinterpreted the thread ? Show me it in a quote so I can be more precise. I did not say you misinterpreted the thread, I just said you did take too fast conclusions in my opinion. I like more the case against Sylver by Debears than yours.
Yes, but WHY do you like Debears's case more? Specifics!
Please stop being so vague da0ud. You don't have a lot of posts but all of them are basically "I agree with you" or "I don't agree with you"
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I'd just like to point out that da0ud dissapeared off the face of the earth, and I'm not happy about this at all.
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On November 04 2012 02:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 02:22 Alsn wrote:
I'd say the latter half of your filter is mostly you defending yourself, which isn't fluff in the slightest. However off the top of my head I remember you addressing the fucking observers at one point, and sylver certainly wasn't wrong in saying that you've seemed almost deliberate in "splitting" your posts such that your thoughts are less condensed. This was actually me, Alsn. t.t
debears also, telling the observers directly that he'd end the game with a 40 page filter or some such.
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On November 04 2012 02:33 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 02:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'd just like to point out that da0ud dissapeared off the face of the earth, and I'm not happy about this at all. @ ClarityIt's 1.30 am in Hong Kong and it's Saturday night  I guess he might be out... I would be partying if I was not sick 
Perhaps... I guess I just like it when people mention they're leaving and will be back in X time.
That way when you question them, it'll look weird if they say "be back in 12 hours guys!" without addressing the fact that you're questioning them.
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On November 04 2012 02:42 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 02:39 Rad wrote:On November 04 2012 02:31 debears wrote:On November 04 2012 02:30 Rad wrote:On November 04 2012 02:27 debears wrote:On November 04 2012 02:26 Rad wrote:On November 04 2012 02:20 debears wrote:On November 04 2012 02:16 Rad wrote:On November 04 2012 02:13 debears wrote:On November 04 2012 02:07 Alsn wrote:
[quote]Again, that isn't even what he said. He said he wanted you to post less fluff and more content. How is that a vote to make you post less?
Also, if you're explaining away fluff as sparking conversation I don't know what to say, how is posting a bunch of fluff productive? Either people find you scummy for it(bad if you're town, it lessens your credibility) or people will actually reply with fluff themselves(even worse). How much fluff do you actually see in my filter? Quote it and put it in a spoiler. Then take my quotes that look like they are accomplishing something. and put them in another spoiler. I want to see how much you think his fluff argument holds true. That's quite a lot of work you're asking from him and doesn't really help town much, does it? It's all going to be subjective at that point, he might say "this is fluff" and you can just argue that it's not. If we want to determine how much fluff you've given so far, we can check your filter and determine for ourselves. Give me a percentage of fluff in my filter then. If your going to accuse me of something, at least make is specific. This "you're posting so much fluff" is doing nothing. That's your best reasoning on me so far. What good does this percentage do except make some arbitrary point to argue about endlessly? "50% fluff, scum!!!" "only 25% fluff, clearly not a scum tell!" I'm trying to figure out what you expect to come from such a number. If you're scum and you want alsn to waste time coming up with this percentage, clearly you don't think it'll be damning. Nothing to come out of this number except WIFOM on both sides of the argument. Stop bitching and just give me a damn percentage. Holy shit. I'm not gonna freak out. I already admitted I had fluff Answer the question about what good can come from coming up with a percentage. So I know where my fluff rating stands. So I can determine whether you are being genuine or not based on what I feel Your "fluff rating"? O.o Anyway, my issues were with your reasoning for wanting alsn to spend time doing something that doesn't help town at all. If you could think of reasons why it would help town, great, I was hoping to hear them from you, but you're stuck on just pushing the wasting of time to happen. Get on Alsn if you really want this huge waste of time to happen, not me (I wasn't the one pushing the fluff idea on you), but if you don't give a good answer as to why your "fluff rating" matters to town, I'll consider this you just pushing people to waste time. Again, as I stated before, if you're scum, you clearly don't think your fluff percentage will be a bad thing against you, so it's worthless to even look up at this point. Because I'm town and I'm trying to figure out who's scum. Attacking someone without specific reasoning means you can back out on your argument easier later. Saying "you're posting a lot of fluff" is a very ambigious statement. Why don't you want to just give me a percentage? It's a very simple request. Off the top of your head
Well I'm glad you cleared that up.
Anyway, you want your number so badly? 35% fluff. Can we move on now? I feel like we reversed 12 hours and we're talking about Cheese's joke.
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@ Djodref
Because I made a post questioning da0ud, and he conveniently dissapeared right after. I wasn't aware of his timezone though.
Everyone was discussing sylver to death. It's really dodgy that he's dissapeared AGAIN but I got told to have more focus in my posts, so that's what I'm trying to do.
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On November 04 2012 04:06 Alsn wrote:
Obsy, I'd like you to revise your statement at the end of your post. Sylver looks "bad"? What does that even mean? Rad, Clar, and debears looks good? Again, what does this mean? Does bad = scum? Or are you just accusing him of making bad arguments?
The last part of his post seems to be a repeat of the start of his post, like a recap.
So I interpret it as good = town, bad = possible scum?
Anyway....
##vote da0ud
Seriously dude, I realize you are on a different timezone but that doesn't excuse you from having no original thoughts at all. Your filter is less than a page and every post you'd made has been some variant of "I (dis)agree with you!" without further explanation.
I am no longer suspect of Alsn, at least not as much. Although he seems to have a hard on for debears and djo he's making decent points and trying to further conversation. Debears... I'm not quite sure. The stubbornness about sylver's post where he said he has a lot of fluff really shouldn't have been that big of a deal, he just couldn't let it go. Maybe Rad is on to something.
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Although caution can be a good thing Rad, you should be careful.
If you don't have enough information to make a read make sure to get more information.
It would be too easy for scum to go: "Ah, I dunno, don't really have any reads" You shouldn't be getting away with this as town.
I'm curious as to any cases you might make in the next 24 hours.
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EBWOP I just realized how dumb my first sentence sounded.
What I mean is, be careful about how you look when you don't take a stand on anything.
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On November 04 2012 05:12 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 05:02 Clarity_nl wrote:
Although caution can be a good thing Rad, you should be careful.
If you don't have enough information to make a read make sure to get more information.
It would be too easy for scum to go: "Ah, I dunno, don't really have any reads" You shouldn't be getting away with this as town.
I'm curious as to any cases you might make in the next 24 hours. I haven't shown any reason for you to believe I won't be scum hunting plenty between now and end of d1.
Well yeah but.... you haven't shown me any reason that you WILL either.
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I noticed that too.
The distinction between "I wanted to show that I was trying to spark discussion" and "I was trying to spark discussion" is definitely a relevant one.
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On November 04 2012 13:19 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 11:21 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 03 2012 11:18 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 11:13 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 03 2012 11:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 11:11 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 03 2012 11:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 11:09 debears wrote:On November 03 2012 11:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Debears you seem really paranoid. On November 03 2012 10:42 debears wrote:
Yeah i am. He calls me a liarin red and then peaces out without wanting to hear my thoughts. Aint that scummy? Considering how active he was around lynch time last game, which was only an hour before this He didn't call you, Debears the person, a liar. You're taking Alsn's nit-pick of a post awfully personally. The quick, useless FoS is also the same exact tactic you used last game. Old hat, Debears, old hat.
1) i don't wear a hat2) i rescind my argument. The red text threw me off Scumtell. Howso? Mafia usually wear hats. He's so adamant that he most certainly does NOT wear a hat. Therefore, scumtell. I thought you were gonna come out with some kind of awesome flavor theory. Dissapointed. On others I'd point your joking attitude out as scum but I mean, you're Mr Cheesecake. Anyone stand out to you so far? I didn't joke at all last game, apart from a few trollish posts at the end hehe. I just think Debears is playing his scumgame from the last game right to the T. Aggressive opener, meaningless FoS. He also explicitly mentions that he's town and is being called a liar (someone saying you lied =/= being a liar). It's cause I read your Mafia QT I guess, you're right, in the thread itself you were super serious. So why the change of tone? XXIX is my first mafia game on TL, so it's my first encounter with debears. Maybe debears opens like this in every mafia game regardless? I'll go dig around. Feel free to comment debears. @ CalrityFirst encounter with debears ? What did you mean to say exactly ?
First time playing with him. I was pointing out that it's hard to get a meta read on him because he opened the exact same this game as last game, which would be weird to do as scum. I think I confirm later (than the post you quoted) that this is true.
It's currently 8 am, so the last 10 hours I have been sleeping. My sleepschedule's been rather odd.
As for your concerns about me, I have already said that I will be making a case (or multiple) today. First day is information gathering.
As for you can't find any original thoughts... remember that "list" that I posted? The only objection you had to it was that it was a list. It has a lot of good points and observations in it. Don't disregard it just because your newbie mafia guide says that scum like to post meaningless lists, like vote tallies.
I post a lot of good information and what do I get? You say "well it's a list, so it doesn't help" and debears says "too many questions, doesn't help anyone"... except it DOES. It helps town. All the answers to the questions I asked can be used later, and I urge everyone to look at who answered their question and who hasn't.
But to summarize... Djo says it's a plurality lynch so we should split our attention. I show my thoughts on everyone because I get asked, and Djo says I should focus more on certain people. I focus on da0ud and he dissapears, so I wait rather than letting it go.
The reason I got defensive was because I spent a while making that post, and you shit on it with a one liner.
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EBWOP
But to summarize... Djo says it's a plurality lynch so we should split our attention. I show my thoughts on everyone because I get asked, and Djo says I should focus more on certain people. I focus on da0ud and he dissapears, so I wait rather than letting it go.
And then he accuses me of not contributing?
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Djo, you already had people jumping at you, what does adding an extra voice do other than clutter up the thread?
As for Alsn, he wasn't around. And when he came back he immediately talked about what happened at the start of the day and why. He explained his reasoning better and he contributed in other areas. This is why I changed him to null, for me.
I guess I was ticked off because you kinda handwaved it, looking back, it was debears who shit on it.
People are giving me advice in this thread, I follow it and I get screwed over by doing so. I'm just gonna listen to Hapa and ignore any "advice" from you guys, it's messing with my play.
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On November 04 2012 16:48 Djodref wrote:
@ Clarity
A few people never answered your questions from the list. Why do you not push them as well ?
Because I felt it would go along nicely with any cases I would make. If you "miss" a question asked to you that's super scummy because town reads and re-reads a lot. Scum just sorta play.. Because they don't need extra information.
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EBWOP I felt like the fact that they didn't answer a question was more important than the answer to the question. Still do.
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All the answers I got were sufficient. Hell, your answer had an entire case on sylver attached to it. Maybe I should be pushing people harder. I feel like there are plenty of people already doing that though.
My top scrumreads at the time were you and Alsn, Alsn wasn't around at all and you were already being pushed by others.
I was just reading, and as I said I will end up posting at least a solid case today, you can tell me if my information gathering has been weak at that point.
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If they are, that's even more reason not to take over what they're doing. If I feel someone is pressuring you but not making good points then I will point that out.
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