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On November 05 2012 10:40 sylverfyre wrote: Huh? I didn't think ANYONE would follow me. And cheese voting debears basically cemented nobody following a debears lynch, regardless of what cheese true alignment was. I was starting to consider if it was wrong is all. You seriously need to stop trying to pull up one sentence, take it out of context, and call it a scumtell. You did it last game to me too. Maybe something about my writing style? I don't know. Did you consider me scummier than CC at the point where you voted CC over me before the lynch? | ||
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debears
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On November 05 2012 11:53 sylverfyre wrote: I did. I still do. Calling for a VT-rolecall really bugs me. So you didn't vote for your top scumread when the voting was close? That doesn't make sense | ||
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debears
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On November 05 2012 10:01 sylverfyre wrote: My chance following cheesecake voting debears? If cheese flips town, it's clarity or debears. Probably both. On November 05 2012 09:25 sylverfyre wrote: Well, as I said, I'm willing to vote cheese too. I think it's cheesecake debears, and that debears might be trying to get out of this by bussing CC. ##Unvote ##Vote Cheese So basically, I would be suspicious no matter what the flip was. Alright. So, no matter what, I am scum based on the outcome of this lynch. Yet, he's not sure that Cheese is, shown by the second quote. Why wouldn't he vote the person he is sure is scum? Sylver's voting: He had his vote parked on Cheesecake. What was he saying the whole time? On November 05 2012 09:10 sylverfyre wrote: Scumteam Cheese Debears? Trying to call out for all VT to roleclaim... ANY kind of mass roleclaim on day 1... no. Just no. No no no no. No way is that something a townie would ask for. During most of day1, sylver had a djo/me scumteam theory. Then, he suddenly switches to me/cheese? That doesn't make any sense On November 05 2012 09:50 sylverfyre wrote: Stuff to consider for tomorrow: Clarity was awfully eager to go along with Cheese's claim. Debears called for a roleclaim before everyone jumped on cheesecake. It seemed pretty clear that Sylver thought I was scum. Why didn't he vote me? On November 05 2012 10:03 sylverfyre wrote: Yes, I jumped on you pretty early after your call for claim. And I still think you're bad. But everyone else is tunneling cheese so hard and there's negative time left now. When I asked why he wasn't voting me, he comes up with some bullshit excuse. The voting was close. He could've easily made it a likely lynch for his top scumread. Instead, he gives terribad reasoning for not voting his top scumread and keeps the vote on someone who we know is town. Why? Town - I have no fucking idea Scum - Get rid of a townie, while being able to keep suspicion on an active, dangerous townie (me). If a scum gets me lynched when I was his scumread all day, he has to find a new target. However, by lynching CC, it allows him to stay focused on me and twist everything I say On November 05 2012 12:05 sylverfyre wrote: So. Cheesecake does his flavor-roleclaim. Who follows? Clarity's the first to really manipulate people into looking at him favorably. (when he had looked bad all game) FOS: Clarity Debears is involved as well, but he doesn't make much of it for a bit - he sits back and lets it play out. He's not for or against it. It's not until Rad warns about dropping blue targets that debears backs off. FOS Debears. Strong Town read on Rad. Oh look, another scumteam theory involving me. He sure loves changing me into every scumteam theory he has. Very funny how he didn't vote his obvious top scumread, as shown by his multiple scum theories, tunneling on me, and his pre lynch statements Also, look at his activity before the lynch. He disappears until less than an hour before lynch in the middle of the claim ordeal On November 05 2012 09:02 sylverfyre wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 05 2012 08:23 debears wrote: @Alsn Could you look over Sylver's filter? I see a few worrisome things 1) In an active game, he has been fairly inactive - only 2 pages in the filter. In other words, he isn't invested in the game/the lynch discussion 2) He still hasn't addressed my response to his case 3) His reasoning for voting me was bad 4) His latest troll post 5) He's not here before lynch 6) His reasons for suspicion are pretty ambiguous against me/Djo when there has been plenty said of us 7) He defends Clarity by throwing out random suspicions on Djo/me/dau0d 8) He reposts pretty much the same thing an hour later What do you think Alsn? 1, 2) Maybe count the number of sentences instead of the number of posts. I'm spending a lot of time on my posts, and if that makes me scummy then I just don't know what to say. 3) My original reason for voting you was to pressure you. As with many early pressure FOS/Votes, I kinda pulled a reason out of thin air because I don't know much. Then I got more reasons, and used them, when you OMGUS retort on me and so forth. 4) My troll post is a veiled criticism of people earlier saying "Lists are bad" 5) I'm here. Watching MLG Finals and handling some IRL obligations, but I'm here. 6) My reasons to suspect you are not ambiguous. I just don't know which of you to suspect. 7) I defend clarity... by throwing out suspicions on the same people I have been suspecting all game. If I suspect you, why the hell would I trust your opinion lynch targets and think that people should follow them? 8) Holy shit, I didn't realize I did that. Why was that post in two browser tabs :/ O_O I literally thought that was an incomplete post and kept writing on it. Massive mistake, I'm sorry. | ||
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debears
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On November 05 2012 14:18 sylverfyre wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 05 2012 13:22 debears wrote: Some thoughts on Sylver pre-lynch So basically, I would be suspicious no matter what the flip was. Alright. So, no matter what, I am scum based on the outcome of this lynch. Yet, he's not sure that Cheese is, shown by the second quote. Why wouldn't he vote the person he is sure is scum? Sylver's voting: He had his vote parked on Cheesecake. What was he saying the whole time? During most of day1, sylver had a djo/me scumteam theory. Then, he suddenly switches to me/cheese? That doesn't make any sense It seemed pretty clear that Sylver thought I was scum. Why didn't he vote me? When I asked why he wasn't voting me, he comes up with some bullshit excuse. The voting was close. He could've easily made it a likely lynch for his top scumread. Instead, he gives terribad reasoning for not voting his top scumread and keeps the vote on someone who we know is town. Why? Town - I have no fucking idea Scum - Get rid of a townie, while being able to keep suspicion on an active, dangerous townie (me). If a scum gets me lynched when I was his scumread all day, he has to find a new target. However, by lynching CC, it allows him to stay focused on me and twist everything I say Oh look, another scumteam theory involving me. He sure loves changing me into every scumteam theory he has. Very funny how he didn't vote his obvious top scumread, as shown by his multiple scum theories, tunneling on me, and his pre lynch statements Also, look at his activity before the lynch. He disappears until less than an hour before lynch in the middle of the claim ordeal No. I didn't have a you/djo scumteam theory. I had a you OR djo scumteam. I didn't think it was both of you. Eh. you are speaking the truth on the djo/me scumteam part. I thought you did considering how often you mentioned us two acting together On November 04 2012 07:46 sylverfyre wrote: Well let's see. There was a 2 person bandwagon on me, awfully early after my first post. Debears and Djod. I find it interesting. By accusing me, he quickly jumped to the defense of debears. Why? On November 05 2012 01:43 sylverfyre wrote: You know what, debears and Djodref are teaming up on someone again. I find it difficult to swallow that the two of them are independently finding the same people scummy. I think one of the two is scum, and I don't know which one. Worth noting that this is the second time that debears has followed up Djo on an attack (though the first time, it was also in defense of himself. This time, there's no such defense. Saying we aren't independently finding someone scummy would mean we are collaborating, in other words, a scumteam. Perhaps I just misinterpreted it. What do you have to say about not voting your top scumread? | ||
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debears
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What do you think of the mini case I recently made on Sylver for not voting his top scumread? | ||
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debears
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On November 05 2012 17:28 da0ud wrote: If a lynch for D2 : I am currently running for yourself (see my case) and Clarity (he knew that non-VT would have the VT role). I did like Clarity's defense overnight, he sounded pretty honest to me. He has addressed calmly all the points against him. Just this slip is too much. He could be blue though, but I would not think he would have been that condescending if blue. I still keep Debears somewhere there on top of the list, but he has been consistent in driving town forward. Yet there is a lot of fluff, useless posts ("ugh mispost", etc.). If he is scum we should be able to find some clues with more pieces of information on people's alignment in the near future. I have a gut feeling on Rad. I will try to put a case on him during D2. If i cannot make a proper case with valid arguments against him, I will let you know why I find him to lay more townie then. @Everyone Can we stop with the whole fluff nonsense? If you bother to actually read my fucking filter, there are plenty of good posts. This whole fluff argument is lingering wayyyyyyyyyy too long @Djo Here was my inital reaction to Clarity's reactions to the CC claim On November 05 2012 08:56 debears wrote: Why would you think that doesn't prove anything. I didn't know everyone got the VT role pm? This sounds like you knew that everyone did @Clarity On November 05 2012 08:58 Clarity_nl wrote: I didn't want to assume things. I didn't know that either but I had considered it much earlier. I noticed the OP is different from my PM role. Alright there are some assumptions we need to make here 1) you're VT - You do not know anyone else gets VT role pm. You then ask marv. Marv clarify's everyone does have it. You don't share it with everyone to prevent VT claim or stop useless VT claims 2) You're a blue - You know you got the VT claim, but you're claiming VT right now. You knew VT's did not know anyone else had role pm by talking to marv. You did not share with the town crucial information to prevent stupid/fake VT claims 3) You're mafia - You knew you have VT role pm, you aren't suprised by the claim flavor. You didn't tell the town crucial information because you're mafia. Which makes sense? Point 3 | ||
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One more thing on Sylver: After reading through his filter, during the claim time, there's one thing really apparent: he did not care that cheese was getting lynched. He hardly talked about whether we should believe cheese or not. His whole time was spent painting targets on the back of me and clarity | ||
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debears
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On November 05 2012 23:26 Clarity_nl wrote: I never claimed VT, I never claimed anything. On November 05 2012 08:58 Clarity_nl wrote: I didn't want to assume things. I didn't know that either but I had considered it much earlier. I noticed the OP is different from my PM role. Now, you're lieing. That's a claim | ||
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debears
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On November 05 2012 23:29 Clarity_nl wrote: It's safe to assume that since Townie isn't Townie, other roles have different names too, right? Alright there are some assumptions we need to make here 1) you're VT - You do not know anyone else gets VT role pm. You then ask marv. Marv clarify's everyone does have it. You don't share it with everyone to prevent VT claim or stop useless VT claims 2) You're a blue - You know you got the VT claim, but you're claiming VT right now. You knew VT's did not know anyone else had role pm by talking to marv. You did not share with the town crucial information to prevent stupid/fake VT claims 3) You're mafia - You knew you have VT role pm, you aren't suprised by the claim flavor. You didn't tell the town crucial information because you're mafia. If you were blue, you would have shared the info thru marv | ||
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debears
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I just thought over things. I'm dropping any pressure against you until i do more research | ||
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On November 05 2012 23:45 Clarity_nl wrote: I don't think forcing me to roleclaim during N1 is a good idea. Yeah i got the memo. It came late though | ||
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On November 06 2012 04:45 Obzy wrote: It does. I have a problem with mafia, in that I'm bad at detecting liars lol. I like assuming that everybody is being honest and telling the truth, and in a proper game, that's not possible. Your responses to me are answering my questions, which just makes me wonder if I'm asking the right questions, or if you're innocent and it's just shining through or something lol. The way you reacted to Cheese's statement feels.. legitimate? Upon rereading. What do you think of Sylver? If you're still around. For that matter, what does everyone think of Sylver? Sylver is scummy as shit. He's flown under the radar. We should stop pushing clarity for now | ||
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debears
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There can be nothing good to come of pushing clarity right now. Think of the pros and cons | ||
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On November 06 2012 08:29 sylverfyre wrote: Scumslips in everyone of my posts? Exaggerate much? Also, telling the blues how to play is fishy. Mind telling me who you're talking about here? | ||
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debears
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When have you seriously been a candidate for lynch? How active have you been? In terms of lynch, you were never under real threat. In terms of activity, i believe you are among the bottom two/three (u, dau0d, and obsy) | ||
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I'm going to make a more organized case on Sylver based on his d1 and n1 actions so far. I want you to honestly tell me if you find clarity still scummier than him then. ok? | ||
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Anyways GG guys. Gl town! As tucan sam says "Follow your nose!" | ||
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