EPTYou answered your own question. It's not hard for me to claim VT, regardless of my alignment.
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You answered your own question. It's not hard for me to claim VT, regardless of my alignment. | ||
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I refuse to acknowledge any of your points as I've been over all of them before. The only new thing you said was that you claim I lied in one of my posts, yet instead of convincing people, you try to send me on a wild goose hunt. | ||
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This is by no means accurate of what I actually think, but under that assumption that would be my most likely scumteam. | ||
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Unless Rad is still around and has a question. I'll wait 10 minutes. | ||
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I am a Cop I tried to investigate Djodref N1 but I got roleblocked. @ Djo, please post the reason why you think my claim is fake immediately. Djo, I really don't like the way you played this game. You had a scumread on me D1, fine. But everytime I retorted to your cases, you kept coming back with crappier and crappier and crappier points. You got me stuck in a loop where I would check on the game, have 10 questions pointed at me, 9 of which I've already answered previously. Then after all that, you complain that I am not scumhunting enough. Then you tell me to scumhunt, and immediately ask me more questions. I don't like the fact that you were so pushy about me claiming either, with all the contradictions that came with that. I don't like the fact that while there was a lot of doubt in people's heads, Djo claiming blue somehow made everything he said correct? The confirmation bias is through the roof. How are you guys not seeing it? I would like to ask everyone: Didn't it feel too easy? Wasn't it noticable that we were getting nowhere for the last 48 hours? Even when Djo gets urged to give me breathing space he ignores it. Even when he gets told to stop hunting blues he ignores it (which, btw, debears caught on to, it's why he stopped). I finally get a chance to make a case, I make one on Obzy, no one refutes it but somehow this makes it more likely I'm scum in people's eyes. Then Obzy makes a... genuine? response. I don't like how he went about things, how he waited for someone to make a case on him to tell us he doesn't want to play no more. Clearly he was around, he had time to rebute almost instantly after my case went up, yet he hadn't posted for 2 hours. Still, I am inclined to believe him. ##Unvote So where does that leave us? Well that's the thing, I'm not sure. Why am I not sure? Because everyone has focused on me for the last 3 days, and who's fault is that? Town has been running in circles all along, and we've gotten to the point where everything depends on me flipping red, which I will not. If Djodref has been so certain all along, why does he not scumhunt for other people, or allow others to do so? The expected reaction to this post: People will quote me hinting at me being VT. My response: For every hint that I'm VT you will find one that I am blue. I kept the ambiguity to keep information from scum, something Djo has actively avoided. I am claiming out of desperation, because this means it's all or nothing. Alsn needs to come out and claim and we need to figure it out today, if I get lynched I fear the game is over. Please do not assume Obzy is town, and please do not assume da0ud is town. Push Sylver harder and question Alsn, as he has not been in a long time. Djo, if your claim is legit like I think it is, I believe you needed to take a break man. Asking questions threefold, all your logical fallacy, the complete disregard of questions asked to you in return. I don't understand why you would play like this. Notice how Rad claimed he felt after you asked him questions in a loop for a day. You did this to me for 3 days straight. I hope we can salvage this, I truly do. | ||
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The reason I said "marv told me" was because that was the only way to remain ambiguous about my role. No, even if you said "I won't share the flavor" doesn't make you 100% confirmed. You claim to have this magical proof that my claim is false, and I claim anyway. Now you are saying you can't tell us until the game ends? I've already explained my reasoning for pming marv despite knowing the VT flavor. It's that I wanted to know if scum knew flavor, and more importantly, I wanted to know if VT knew that the others knew flavor. If I investigate you, and I get nothing back, the conclusion is I got roleblocked. Do not argue semantics with me. | ||
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On November 07 2012 18:55 Djodref wrote: @ Clarity Thank you ! Right now, I know for sure that you are 100% scum. Nice fakeclaim by the way  Unfortunately, I cannot use my trump card against you right now ;( but I'm going to explain to you why I knew you were lying about being blue when this game ends. But it's mainly based on the fact that it is less likely for a blue to ask your question to marv than for a VT. If all the VT here had doubts about you going ask the question to the host, I know that he is lying when he says he did this as a blue. "It is mainly based on the fact that it is LESS LIKELY, that's why I'm 100% convinced." | ||
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Remember last game? Hear my fearmongering!" Stop being ambiguous, stop making contradictory points. You either have evidence, or you do not. If you were not able to share some information, why would you tell us you have information to be shared? This whole thing reeks of terrible town play. You cannot simply make a promise and then go "oh well... marv told me I couldn't... so..." Why wouldn't you ask marv before telling us you have this magical piece of the puzzle, or if you did and he replied "no, you can't say that" then why bring it up at all? Your entire case on me has boiled down to you ramming your head against me for the past 3 days, and convincing about half the people. Suddenly you have this macguffin that explains it all, but you can't tell us. What are you, the church of scientology? Make a case. Have no contradictions in it. Do not have points in it that I have addressed unless you have a rebuttal to those replies. Can you do this? | ||
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This is the game of Mafia. Guys, do not believe for the sake of believing. Believe in rational thinking and logical conclusions. | ||
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##Vote Clarity Thanks for the game! I hope some of you are interested in discussing it afterwards. I'm looking forward to seeing how this game ends. Good luck to all! PS: Djo don't apologize so much. | ||
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First things first, excuses! I was getting ill on saturday, and sunday I was feeling like crap. Djo asked me to comment on him and I just wanted to go to bed, and I slept from 1-6. Anyway, happens, I still learned a lot and I hope you guys did too! Djo, I think your intuition is amazing. You did however (in my eyes at least) overdo it when it came to pushing me. I don't agree with the fact that because my defense was logical instead of emotional it makes me more scummy, but maybe I'm wrong. But you went on for too long, your argument actually didn't make sense even more, even from my perspective as scum, and I think a better player than me might have talked the town into lynching you. I feel I was doing a good job discrediting you but it's hard to argue with your JK claim. I feel bad for taking advantage of the Cheese VT flavor claim. I hope no one looks down at me for doing this, I was cornered and about to be lynched. Rad didn't give me the idea of me having pmed marv btw. I had that in mind when I said "I can do that too. I don't wanna pay for no porn man. Doesn't mean anything" My original idea behind it however, was that the logical conclusion was that I would be blue. Of course I couldn't predict marv would come down from heaven, but maybe if I had more time I would have. Best post this game in my eyes is by Alsn: On November 08 2012 04:44 Alsn wrote: But there are a few things I'm looking forward to with this lynch. I'm pretty sure that there isn't a framer. Since I doubt Clarity would try and claim cop if there was(they'd have to assume that there's an actual cop in the game who could counter-claim, cause otherwise the framer role would be pretty silly). The only thing I can think of that speaks against that, is that in the case of a framer, scum would assume there is a cop, and having given up on clarity, they wanted to get the cop to reveal by sacrificing Clarity. So, assuming that I'm right and there's no framer, we can probably assume that if Clarity flips RB, his partner is a goon. While if he flips goon, the odds of his partner being roleblocker goes up dramatically(although framer isn't entirely out of the picture like I mentioned above). That is some amazing analysis right there. Kudos. My conclusion: I probably prefer to play as town. =] If people are willing to give me some feedback on my play, I would appreciate it! | ||
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edit: Basically, I claimed blue to pull you into the open. With the tiny tiny chance rad is bluffing and there's no counter claim. | ||
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Same goes for Rad. Don't get discouraged that you felt I wasn't scum, your arguments make sense. It's just with the combination of not contributing yourself (you like to sit back and figure stuff out, I get that, I really do!) it might look dodgy. Djo, I felt like saying I'm ill, true or not, will just seem like a convenient excuse. At least when others do this I always question it. | ||
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Just give me logical and simple and I'm happy =] Probably why I prefer town. | ||
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