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Keirathi
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1. OP Each day the four Performers will receive new roles. Not "The Performers". It says "The FOUR Performers" That's why I didn't give much thought to S&B fake claiming. The OP is misleading as fuck. 2. Inconsistent Deadlines I understand people are busy. But lets take a look at when each day/night post went up: On October 31 2012 10:34 iGrok wrote: Day 1 (You said day was going to be a bit late, and that the day would be 47.5 hours instead of 48. Cool.) On November 02 2012 10:05 iGrok wrote: Night 1 On November 03 2012 11:09 iGrok wrote: Day 2 Again, said day post would be late, but that actions ended at the correct time. On November 05 2012 12:17 iGrok wrote: Night 2 On November 06 2012 10:48 iGrok wrote: Day 3 On November 08 2012 11:01 iGrok wrote: Night 3 On November 09 2012 11:59 iGrok wrote: Day 4 Look at how inconsistent those timestamps are. Like I said, I understand that people are busy. But that's what co-hosts are for. Its not fun playing when deadlines keep changing. 3. Night 1 That was complete and utter bullshit. Yea, I read that you "strictly enforce the rules". You also pushed the game start back BECAUSE TL WAS HAVING PROBLEMS. TL might have only officially been down for "20 minutes" or whatever, but just because you were able to get here doesn't mean that everyone could. I had a period of 5 hours or so one day where I couldn't connect to the site, but when I came back there were posts that I had missed. Scum specifically said what they wanted to do in the QT. I would have (and they should have) 100% conceded right there. About last night: mistakes happen. Not a big deal. I fully expected that the game was over, although I tried my damnedest to make Hopeless/BH see that I had a townie mindset, coming up with insurance plans and whatever else I could do to make sure that they would survive. But, this game was still imbalanced. Everyone has already pointed it out. With better town play, we should have had virtually 0% chance of losing, rather than a coinflip on who takes what actions in the last night. All in all, thanks for the game, iGrok, but I won't be playing in another of yours. | ||
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Keirathi
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On November 10 2012 03:17 Blazinghand wrote: Gonzaw the reason you looked scummy is your analysis and your play was very different from your town play. You pressure multiple people and post big old multi-pronged walls of text as town. I mean yeah that thing with the fake bad post and the voting at the end of D1 did you no favors but you were my top scumread. ^^^ | ||
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On November 10 2012 03:24 gonzaw wrote: Before that all the accusations against me were pretty weak to be honest. "You are not pressuring many people!" is not strong at all and I can easily push it apart by saying "I'm busy" or "there wasn't much going on when I was posting" (which was true, when I was posting only Xfire and BH were active, then I went to sleep and went to uni almost immediately). I think even Keirathi was having second thoughts about it at some points. If it wasn't for the end-D1 thing I don't think I'd have much trouble staying alive. ...well, yeah you were vig and maybe that "weak" reason was enough for you to think I was scum and vig shoot me. However when I play I tend to ignore the possibilities of the single guy that thinks I'm scum but can't convince others being vig and shooting me (if not I'd get pretty paranoid each game). If you think I'm scum but can't convince others then I don't think I'm in any danger (or if I think you could not convince others or the reasons for that I can refute). If you weren't vig I think I could have gotten away with the end-D1 thing too, if I put quite an effort in it. If it wasn't for the restriction it would have been easier though :/ One positive thing about this game: Watching Keirathi get mindfucked and angry at BH in that last day  Nah, the more I went back and read your town games, the more convinced I was. You were acting 99.9% differently than you have in any recent town game, and spent almost all of your time tunneling me. Town gonzaw is suspicious of everyone until he has a good reason not to be, and even if he's fairly sure of a scum read, he still questions the shit out of other people. Basically, your play this game was much, much, much more similar to your play in Liar Game than it was in any of your town games that I read. | ||
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On November 10 2012 04:04 syllogism wrote: Complaining about inconsistent deadlines when you were just a VT and it didn't affect you at all is very unnecessary I guess I can respond to this, since it is the point I was least upset about. It just annoyed me. When I sign up for a game, I make an effort to be here for all of the deadlines. I change around IRL things if I have to (and can). One day in particular, I had an hour before deadline and a friend called and wanted to hang out. I made an excuse, and told him I would be an hour or so, then I'd ride over. The post ended up being like 45 minutes late. I understand, that's not a big deal and I should have just left, but hosting is a commitment just as much as playing is. If you can't meet that commitment, that's what co-hosts are for. | ||
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On November 10 2012 04:16 Crossfire99 wrote: Lol. He pushed Adam so hard because he wanted to vig gonzaw. It was purely for WIFOM that he did that. I meant on day 2/night 2, after gonzaw was dead. | ||
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Keirathi
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Were you already planning on shooting S&B when stutters flipped town (IE did you think I was town), or did the things I said in the night about ensuring that you were both vetting make up your mind? When you said: On November 08 2012 13:47 Blazinghand wrote: Ok, that gives me enough for both a RB and a Veteran usage. However, what I'd really like to do is also afford a Mirror. S&B I dunno how many points you have but in terms of Veteran usage you really don't need it since any end-game win from Keirathi is based on mislynching you. If you have 500 extra points and could send them my way that would be great. Hopeless1, you have enough points to shoot Keirathi and Vet yourself, right? I was starting to have hope that you yelling to kill me was an act and you were suspicious of S&B too, but couldn't think of a way to say that without being obvious. And when S&B gave Hopeless the 1050 points, I saw the opportunity and took my shot that you both had a vig and that both of us would die. Of course, my assumption was incorrect because Vet carried over until it was actually used, but I was hopeful that I was being desperate enough that you could at least potentially believe me. Which is, I guess, why I got frustrated when you stuck to your guns, although I realize you really had no other choice. | ||
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On November 10 2012 04:36 Blazinghand wrote: I was planning to shoot S&B probably 5-6 hours before the Stutters flip. He made a post in our Mason QT that basically revealed him to be scum. I ##involved you hoping to gain enough points to shoot and roleblock S&B, but this night used $ instead of points so I had to ask S&B for the points to shoot him with. Everything I said over the course of the night was basically lying to try to get S&B to drop his guard and not vet himself that night. Sorry, you never really convinced me-- you weren't particularly scummy, but you were the "unconfirmed town". S&B was playing a little bit scummily though, and basically he made a mistake in the QT. If it weren't for that, I may not have shot him. Ah okey, I was hoping but of course I wasn't sure. Well, my goal wasn't really to "convince you" that I was town. My goal was to convince you both to do whatever it took to ensure that you won, particularly that you should both vet. | ||
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On November 10 2012 05:11 Blazinghand wrote: You can't share points via posting in the thread-- you have to PM. I assume things posted in the thread about point sharing have no impact on the game. I'm almost 100% positive that you could give them publicly in the thread, OR privately in PM. Look at what iGrok responded with when I first gave points to S&B on night 1, before I PM'd him: On November 03 2012 01:24 iGrok wrote: You have to list the # of points you are giving if you want to do it that way. You can also send points via PM to me. Example: ##Give 500 Points: Mattchew Key word: also. Did Hopeless get my 100 points after the Stutters lynch? Because I never PM'd iGrok those points, I just did it in the thread. | ||
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On November 10 2012 05:19 Crossfire99 wrote: P.S. I came up with a game breaking strategy involving just points that iGrok wouldn't let me do for obvious reasons. I came up with a game breaking strategy that was shot down too | ||
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On November 10 2012 05:21 Hopeless1der wrote: Yes, I got those points from Keir. No wait, I got $100. Right, thats what I mean. $100. | ||
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I wanted BH/Hopeless to pressure S&B into making him ##Give all Points: BH. Obviously he wouldn't have been able to refuse to do it, because that would have been suspicious as hell. But, he claimed exactly how many points he should have had (2600). If had any more or less than that, then he was lying, which gives a seed of doubt about him. When he sent them, I would have suggested that BH/Hopeless vig both of us. It fell apart and I never suggested it, though, because iGrok confirmed that you use up your points as soon as you PM him an action, rather than actions/point withdrawals happening at the end of the night cycle (which was how I assumed it work, since that would leave room for changing your mind). | ||
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Saying "##give 1000 points: blazinghand in increments of 100" is the exact same thing as saying "##give 100 points: blazinghand" 10 times. The second is valid, but annoying spam in the thread/hosts inbox. | ||
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On November 10 2012 09:22 BroodKingEXE wrote: TBH I didnt think I was gonna get lynched. I was expecting gonzaw to vote for MMT, he clearly had a town read on me. It totally caught me off guard. I mean you saw what happened with Gonzaw and MMT, because of it. I said a few hours before the lynch that I was going to vote you unless people decided they wanted to follow BH onto gonzaw. | ||
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