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BH/Hopeless:
Since you both have enough points to vig and vet tonight, I propose a plan:
One of you shoot S&B, one of you shoot me.
Now, why would I propose this?
An insurance policy.
S&B should only have had 2600 points coming into tonight.
Pts | Claim
N1:
1000 | earned myself
1000 | xfire
500 | Keirathi (confirmed-ish)
500 | stutters
Total points after N1: 3000
Points used N1: 1000 (tracker, veteran)
N2:
1000 | earned myself
1500 | keirathi (confirmed-ish)
1000 | stutters
1000 | xfire
Total points after N2: 6500
Points used N2: 5000
Total points after N2: 1500
As I was researching this post, I noticed that things didn't add up, so I PM'd iGrok and added
1000 | Adam (in thread on day 1)
Apparently I should have had 1000 more points day1 than I actually did. So now I have 2500 points.
So 2500 points. And he got $100 for the Stutters lynch. So 2600 points.
He sent BH 150, and Hopeless 1050, so he should have 1300 points left. Which means he has enough to vig me, but not enough to vet too.
Okay, I know you're saying "Keir, why are you proposing a situation like that when I know that you are scum?" But if you ARE right, and I am scum and S&B is town, then tonight I'm going to get roleblocked by you, and vigged by all 3 of you.
What does it hurt to throw one of those vigs at S&B? You kill him off too (since he theoretically shouldn't have enough points to vet), and guarantee the town win (in the rare case that you are wrong about me).
Again, I hear you saying "Keir, don't think I'm a fool. You want us to kill S&B for you, then you have enough points to survive our shots and kill off one of us (BH/Hopeless), and win the game."
So, lets think about that for a bit. If I'm scum, and Mementoss and gonzaw both fed me whatever points they had, the maximum amount of points I could have had coming into tonight was:
Day 1:
1000 me
1000 mementoss
1000 gonzaw
Day 2:
1000 me
Day 3:
100 me.
So at most I could have had 4100 points. S&B confirmed that I've sent him 2000. And you two can confirm that I sent Hopeless 100. So at most, I have 2000 points. And I shot S&B night 1, and BH night 2. Maybe those are factional and I didn't have to spend any points though. So lets assume that I had 2000 points in the bank and used them before I said ##Give all Hopeless.
I don't know how your points work, but is 2000 points enough for me to: 1) get roleblocked, 2) get double vigged and live (S&B + one of you two), AND 3) have enough points left over to guarantee that a kill goes through on both of you when you're both vetted?
I don't think it is.
So please, at least read this with an objective mind. It doesn't make any sense for the two of you not to take out an insurance policy and one of you shoot S&B tonight too.
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I know you guys think that I am the scum and that S&B is telling the truth. Just be objective about it.
WHAT IF you are wrong. Take the insurance policy and make sure you win. Don't get so set in your knowledge that you are right, that you are blinded to the possibility, however slim, of being wrong. Make the safe play. Make the SMART play.
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On November 09 2012 10:38 Hopeless1der wrote:
I CAN DO MATH TOO!!
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On November 09 2012 10:39 Blazinghand wrote:
Keirathi, your meddling will not work. Hopeless, if you don't get mod confirmation in time, just sent in the vet and shot night actions anyways and when igrok reads his pms he'll know what you meant.
DO NOT shoot S&B. shoot Keirathi.
Whatever. When you lose for this idiotic decision because you believe you are infallible, you can apologize to me in post-game.
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On November 09 2012 10:44 Blazinghand wrote:
Keirathi's just mad his meddling isn't working. He's not a bad actor. Shoot him. Shoot him dead.
Yes. Shoot me.
But shoot S&B too. Anything less is just plain bad play.
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On November 09 2012 10:46 Blazinghand wrote:
He's like 100% trying to get us to only put one shot on him, because he has vet status
What. If I'm scum, then S&B is shooting me. As are one of you two. That means I would still have to survive 2 shots (or RB one of them) *AND* have enough points to Vig you.
Basically, in your scenario, I have to have enough points to vet, RB, and vig, AND have free factional KP.
You know exactly how many points I could possibly have. Every single other point in this game is accounted for besides the 2000 from mementoss and gonzaw day 1.
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Ah well, deadline has passed.
Assuming BH is being as moronic as I think he was, then GG S&B. Well played with the "irrefutable" blue claim and unverifiable actions.
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On November 09 2012 11:07 Blazinghand wrote:
Nice ploy Keirathi but it's too late to change night actions now!
I know. And that's why I said it.
Because you're wrong, and you should feel bad. Also you should give your own props to S&B for fooling you so completely that you won't even refute the math.
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On November 09 2012 11:09 Blazinghand wrote:
Lol it's kinda funny how angry you were this game. I suppose I should apologize for playing so well?
Angry I was this game?
I was angry in GSL 3. I didn't rage even once this game until just now because you've got your head so far up your ass that you can't even see daylight.
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On November 09 2012 11:12 Blazinghand wrote:
Seriously dude Keirathi sorry if this all goes badly and scum wins. But I did what was necessary. I always do.
You didn't do what was necessary. You did what was easy.
You Occam's Razored yourself into believing you were 100% right and there was no possible way you could be wrong.
S&B played extremely well. He had the Wayne Brady fake claim, and using that, scum withheld KP night 1 to give him some validity to his claim. Nothing else that he has done has been verifiable at all.
The math says I only had max 2000 points. How did I roleblock + vet + vig one of you? How much does that cost? (I'm honestly VT, and since the deadline is up, I'm asking you honestly).
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Anyways, as soon as the flip happens, I'm going to unsubscribe from the thread less I rage at you for being closed-minded and throwing the game.
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Phew. I was really hoping it was an act. But at some point I convinced myself that it wasn't. I'm glad you have a head on your shoulders :D
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He could still have a shitton of points and win anyways. I had to make sure there was at least te possibility that he was being shot tonight.
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On November 09 2012 11:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
dat F5
Damn you.
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Well that was an interesting night
This is going to be crazy
I hope we come to an agreement
And not settle for just being lazy
I'm totes an audience member
Let's make sure that we're not wrong
One hell of a game, but all that remains
Is for both of us to vote Strong.
Oh, ei-didie-didie-didie-didie-didie-didie!
##vote strongandbig
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I am definitely not dead
But i'm getting ready for sleep
I'm not sure what to talk about
until from Strong we hear a peep
I'd like to know why
He send fake points to Hope
Did iGrok just not see?
Or does Strong think we're dopes?
Oh, ei-didie-didie-didie-didie-didie-didie!
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On November 10 2012 01:10 strongandbig wrote:
that was a lot of unnecessary work then
yes, yes it was.
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Also did you just call me a cow? I am super sad 
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So many things to complain about, but I guess I'll hold my tongue.
GG S&B. You deserved to win.
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EPT
