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kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

November 01 2012 20:09 GMT

#221

Wow if muso is actually scum and just randomly claimed mason that is going to be the worst scum play ever...
##vote muso
until we get a claim from his mason partner.
Also I don't think acro's partner should claim until muso's claims.

encryption...
It is up the the mod to say if it's legal or not. I don't think it is really "against the spirit of the game." There are very specific circumstances where it's useful and this is one of them.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

November 01 2012 20:57 GMT

#224

On November 02 2012 05:11 Acrofales wrote:
@Kushmasta: I want to back up the discussion a bit. Can you please explain your thought process once and for all when you were confusing masons and millers. At what point did you realize that masons and millers were different roles?

Before that point, did you think mason+miller was simply a role all wrapped into one? And if not, who did you think was being called out to roleclaim: "town members who could talk to each other", or "people who would show red to alignment cops"?

People were saying miller should claim. I thought they meant masons should claim and I agreed. I thought the miller role was mason and I though mason was miller.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

November 01 2012 22:50 GMT

#227

I'm pretty sure DP is the only one left who hasn't commented on muso's claim. So it's either DP is muso's mason partner or muso is the worst scum ever.
Maybe he fake claimed because he was confused about what mason did? (I actually don't know what either a mason or a miller are IRL. There should be more obvious, more differentiated role names IMO)

So I will consider anyone talking about
muso,
or encryption,
or the real scum claim,
or anything other than looking for scum in the remaining 12 people, unhelpful and therefore suspicious.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

November 02 2012 00:23 GMT

#230

I think it is the natural tendency of mafia to accuse people on things that they themselves are guilty of. As mafia you are hyper aware of your own mistakes and that gives the mind a convenient go to for what to look for in other people.

Mattchew hypothetically accuses release of something that he is actually also guilty of!
Release jumps on me for a stupid reason. Mattchew jumps on Realease for a stupid reason.

He accuses kushmasta of... honestly i dont know... especially after he asks about the discussion being about masons or millers. Kush misread the thread / roles being discussed and thought millers = masons... calling him scum for this is the biggest stretch i have seen in a while. there is no way anyone with any level of reading comprehension would draw these conclusions from kush's posting and reading the thread around it

release is trying to look like he is scum hunting by skewing kush's words from the thread.

So essentially you are accusing him because of bad "reading comprehension." That is kind of the same thing he accuses me of though.

Then this:

On November 01 2012 11:07 Mattchew wrote:

Show nested quote +

On November 01 2012 10:59 Acrofales wrote:

On November 01 2012 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote:

On November 01 2012 10:40 Acrofales wrote:
Hi Mattchew. On the one hand I agree with you, although for different reasons. However, I have seen this kind of finger pointing go terribly wrong too often. It is entirely possible Release is a newbienoob (which I kinda suspect given that I have no clue who he is) and is simply jumping on the first bad play of the game, in what I will happily call the second bad play of the game.

My main problem with Release is this post:

On November 01 2012 10:09 Release wrote:

On November 01 2012 09:05 kushm4sta wrote:

On November 01 2012 09:01 Release wrote:
EBWOP: those are three separate ideas, although kushmasta is looking scummy for both trying to change who should claim and being deceitful about it.

I'm not being deceitful about it, I just got their names mixed up.
I think they should probably both claim actually.

@release
Are you suggesting that I'm trying to trick power roles like vig, dt, etc into mass claiming?

Are millers' true alignment revealed upon death?

well, you were assigning Mason traits to the miller, which led to the confusion that it did between who should claim.

Also, you didn't mention mason but the "town who can talk to each other." You avoided saying mason. Mason is clear. "town who can talk to each other" could be mason, but could be miller if someone assumed you were talking about who YOU thought "could talk to each other."

Mafia is a game in which posts can't be editted. People tend to check their posts for any dubious or tentative information. I highly doubt that you "mixed up" their names because things like that tend to get checked, which leads me to believe you said such things on purpose.

I wasn't talking about the mass claim. That was rather obvious.

This is pathetic and reaks of scum. While I was willing to write off his first post as one derp of accusing another derp, this one just seems malevolent. He is trying to paint a scum reason for making a mistake and dreaming up wild unprovable theories in the process. This is not a town move. It's an easy way for scum to (try to) get a mislynch bandwagon going. Nevertheless, it's a terrible scumplay. Holding off on my vote to see where this goes.

Zealos is being Zealos. I have nothing much to say about him yet.

Acro, I just want to confirm that you think Kush derped (i.e. is probably town) and that Release might have derped but it was very scummy and you'd lean towards him being scum. Is that correct?

That is correct.

@Release: I could vote for you, but there's no point yet. Why the rush with over 40 hours left in D1? As I said at the top of that post: I don't like your followup and can easily read a scum motive into it. However, it's D1 and tunneling on one player is not the way I like to play D1 (it leads to a mislynch 90% of the time).

yeah im voting because of the opposite, often on day 1 town loses focus and direction for its lynch and ends up in a last minute scramble. I trust my early reads pretty heavily so it will take a lot to move my vote right now

Are your early reads right a lot? Most people haven't even talked yet at this point, but you overblow this release case to the point where you already know who you want to lynch.

I think Mattchew was being hypocritical and overzealous in his attack on Release.
fos mattchew
Someone with a meta read, is Mattchew usually this decisive for weak reasons?

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

November 02 2012 00:42 GMT

#236

On November 02 2012 09:37 Muso wrote:
The point of the gambit should be obvious now.

It's not at all!

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

November 02 2012 01:23 GMT

#241

On November 02 2012 09:56 Release wrote:
I've caught up with the reading and afai can tell, Muso's reason for why he did such things is based on WIFOM( yes many things in mafia are wifom, but this has little to help up). From what i see the intent of this post was to spread confusion and maybe set up a 1 for 1 trade, which could have been accomplished with accrofale's claim.

more to come later.

You've caught up on reading?? What does that have to do with anything. All of muso's reasoning is in his last post.
From this post I'm not sure if you think he's town or mafia.

Also this makes no sense:
Why would mafia do a 1 for 1 trade with a mason, especially with the possibility of a doctor?

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

November 02 2012 02:32 GMT

#249

Let's fight irl. Come to maine.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

November 02 2012 11:02 GMT

#280

Acro Wtf... Why is town fake claiming...

So vts look at your role name. Jessica rabbit does not fit the theme. Kid watching tv kind of does though.
##unvote
##vote acro

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

November 02 2012 11:21 GMT

#285

does any vt have a character name like Jessica rabbit? if not I think acro is either lying about lyning and is mason, or is scum.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

November 02 2012 12:16 GMT

#291

If no other vt has a character role name, what are the odds of.one vt randomly being named Jessica rabbit?

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

November 02 2012 14:13 GMT

#299

I.voted for muso for this reason:
time had gone by and no one claimed as his.partner like I expected to happen.

Claim time again lol. but this claim is not fake.
I am anvil vanilla town.
My theory is vts do not have character names.
The only person I think should claim is if you are a vt and you have a character name.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

November 02 2012 14:27 GMT

#307

I only want one vt to claim and only if they have a character role name.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

November 02 2012 14:54 GMT

#310

On November 02 2012 23:36 drazak wrote:
Yeah, I'm getting a bit fed up with Kush asking for everyone to claim everything, that smells a little scummy to me. Kind of not sure if it's just kush being stupid and trolling like usual (yes, I know, I'm omgusing, don't care) or if he's actually got a larger scheme here.

Kush has admited to me a bunch of times that he doesn't thinks before he posts, so I dunno, but he keeps being stupid I think we can chalk it up to stupidity/trolling, if he stops, it was probably a scheme.

I'm not sure what to think about prom, the case against him is ok, but maybe prplhz was distracted and/or confused.

Well draz is being wish washy as fuck here.
So you felt the need to weigh in on both me and prom, even though you have no idea what to think of either of them?
DRAZZAK

Anyone I am NOT trolling. I don't see how you would come to that conclusion.
I have been focusing on mechanics rather than behavior, though, that is true. I will focus on whatever I need to to find scum honestly. Analyzing behavior and analyzing mechanics are both tools you can and should use. I don't know why anyone would dismiss either.

Hypothetically, let's say that all vts have non character names like the ones that have been revealed so far (anvil, kid watching tv). Do you really think the mod would give break up that theme by randomly giving 1 vt a character name?

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

November 02 2012 14:55 GMT

#311

edwop ANYWAY I am NOT trolling.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

November 02 2012 15:15 GMT

#314

I don't want to lynch either muso or prpl.

Prpl was mislynched as town in his last several games. He looks very scummy as town. So keep that in mind.
Your case on him is very bas. The only scummy thing is giving a bunch of town reads which isn't that scummy.
So what if he thought there was 2 mason pairs. Not everyone knows the probability of that. Also I thought the same thing.

Muso, I think it would be very hard for scum to come up with that vt role name.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

November 02 2012 15:52 GMT

#316

On November 03 2012 00:31 thrawn2112 wrote:
kush i cant believe you're trying to make d1 cases based on the flavor claimed by two people... just absurd

It's not just based on 2 people claims. It's based on the lack of claim from ALL the vts, AND the claims of two people.

Acro seems really upset by my theory.
drazzak, acro, and thrawn have all shat on my theory now.
Why don't you guys actually EXPLAIN why it's such a bad idea instead of just SAYING it's bad.
Do you really believe that all VTs have non character role names except for one named Jessica Rabbit. I do not believe that is likely.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

November 02 2012 16:03 GMT

#318

On November 02 2012 23:17 drazak wrote:
I don't see any reason to change my vote, I honestly have no freaking clue why muso did what he did, but there's nothing town about it, if he is town, he's doing a very bad job establishing himself as town.

I hope he isn't town though, a D1 mafia kill would definitely ensure our town victory.

Six hours till lynch. If we want to lynch someone based on behavior I think it should be drazak.

He has contributed nothign he has not given any reads except saying he doesn't know.

"A D1 mafia kill would definite ensure our town victory" LOL... no it wouldn't.
Also why would town say that? Completely unproductive comment. He's just trying to paint himself as town.
Anyway, read drazzak's filter it's real short.

##unvote
##vote drazzak

I still want any vt with a character name to claim btw. If no one claims then I will also want to lynch acro.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

November 02 2012 16:28 GMT

#322

On November 03 2012 01:05 Hopeless1der wrote:
However, the reason I think your theory is bad is that I think scum have fakeclaims. My question never got answered and I think it's clear that Hiro was replying to the posts I quoted.

Hmm I've never played with safeclaims before. That would not affect my theory.
The possibility that acro is some of power role... I do think this a real possibility. That claim would not be terrible though. It would mean he has lied twice and at least that would set things straight.

@thrawn
Why would a scum claim VT? In this scenario the only type of claim is one that will make acro look innocent, the claim of a vt character role name.
What if scum claims they have a vt character role name to protect acro? This is not a smart move for scum, because we will automatically know one is scum if the other flips. Plus town loses nothing in this scenario.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

November 02 2012 16:29 GMT

#324

@mattchew
Read drazzak's filter. There are a lot of little things that look scummy and nothing that looks town.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

November 02 2012 17:37 GMT

#334

I don't like the muso bandwagon.
KID WATCHING TV. It seems unlikely that scum would come up with that role name, especially since the first claim was Jessica rabbit. And it fits my non character vt theory really well.

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