On October 28 2012 22:06 Dandel Ion wrote:
@everyone:
Please be so kind as to share your current scumreads. Or even thoughts. Or anything at all, really. Even what you had for lunch is more interesting than NOTHING AT ALL.

Ask and you shall receive.

Alsn

Sweden995 Posts

October 28 2012 13:59 GMT

#906

I agree that nackh's participation has been worrisome at best but other than asking him to talk I'm not sure what we can do. I suppose I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to lynching him but only if Dandel turns out to not be an option.

But we also need to consider the very real possibility that Roco gets modkilled and flips town. Sure he could be scum and hope is great and all but we can't in any way distance ourselves from the possibility that we are only 4 town left in the game.

Alsn

Sweden995 Posts

October 28 2012 14:18 GMT

#911

Resorting to name calling are we?

"Openly disagree with your whole post", seriously? You expect me to let you off the hook by saying I'm stupid and terrible without even pointing out why my post is terrible?

I love it how you try and discredit me purely on the basis that you think I'm bad. In fact, you are doing the exact same thing almost the entire thread criticised Djod for doing(with good reason I might add). This only reinforces my case against you, two people have called you out so far, first Inig, then me. Both times you've reacted with "Y U SO TERRIBAD?!?!". I expect better than that if you want me to consider you anything but almost confirmed scum.

Alsn

Sweden995 Posts

October 28 2012 14:21 GMT

#914

Oh and no, I don't buy your supposed reasons for tunnelling kush. He presented a case on da0ud that made sense. He did so with what we now know to be pure intentions. Simply tunnelling him because you don't want to find out his intentions the proper way is bad strategy at best and at worst it's scum motivated.

Alsn

Sweden995 Posts

October 28 2012 14:28 GMT

#919

On October 28 2012 23:25 Dandel Ion wrote:
If his case made sense or not wasn't even the point that made me think he was scum, you're making up things now.

His case making sense means at the very least the actions involving his case should make him read town which is very relevant indeed. Please bring up examples of where he was "scummy" before your first announcement that you would tunnel him because I sure can't find any.

Alsn

Sweden995 Posts

October 28 2012 14:30 GMT

#920

Cheese, could you be convinced to vote Dandel or at the very least vote Dandel during D3 if the game isn't over at that point?

Alsn

Sweden995 Posts

October 28 2012 14:31 GMT

#922

EBWOP: The reason I ask is that while my reasons for thinking Djod is town in spite of his "scumminess" is somewhat WIFOM, I'm way more sure of Dandel than I am of Djod right now.

Alsn

Sweden995 Posts

October 28 2012 14:33 GMT

#924

[QUOTE]On October 28 2012 23:30 Dandel Ion wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 28 2012 23:28 Alsn wrote:
Maybe that's because he didn't POST before I said that? I said that because it's Kush, not because of posts.
Which you could've found out if you were capable of counting. Or reading.[/QUOTE]Truth be told, I didn't actually look it up because I was already sure that I'd be right. So basically, you said you would tunnel kush before you had any idea what his alignment was.

Except I propose you did know, and you were counting on lynching him D2.

Alsn

Sweden995 Posts

October 28 2012 14:34 GMT

#926

On October 28 2012 23:30 Dandel Ion wrote:

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Maybe that's because he didn't POST before I said that? I said that because it's Kush, not because of posts.
Which you could've found out if you were capable of counting. Or reading.

Truth be told, I didn't actually look it up because I was already sure that I'd be right. So basically, you said you would tunnel kush before you had any idea what his alignment was.

Except I propose you did know, and you were counting on lynching him D2.

Fixed sorry.

Alsn

Sweden995 Posts

October 28 2012 14:40 GMT

#930

On October 28 2012 23:36 Dandel Ion wrote:

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So you WANT people to make association cases?
I'm not sure you understand how this works.

Also, if your buddies are both lurkers, that's also an explanaition for the lack of defense.

Now you're just putting words in his mouth. Just on the last page he said he wanted Cheese to find his supposed scum buddies *without* association.

Alsn

Sweden995 Posts

October 28 2012 14:44 GMT

#934

Also, I'd like people to answer the following question when looking at Dandel:

What has he done for town?

Alsn

Sweden995 Posts

October 28 2012 16:34 GMT

#954

That is an interesting claim indeed. Unfortunately our cop is dead, so we don't really have any way of confirming whether or not he is SK or vigi. At first glance his claim makes sense to me. It fits with the fact that I considered him somewhat town up until this point.

Also, I think we can without a doubt conclude that we now know scum killed sylver. Regardless if Rad is SK or vigi I see no reason whatsoever to lie about who he actually shot. As if he's SK now that he has claimed that he can kill someone he has to be wanting to try and come off as a vigi and a vigi would under no circumstance lie about his target.

Alsn

Sweden995 Posts

October 28 2012 16:38 GMT

#957

Yes, I agree that killing kush was probably good for the reason Djod mentions. Especially considering how you yourself is saying that you were really suspicious of him.

To be honest though, maybe it's because I wasn't able to follow the thread continuously that I didn't really feel kush was acting all that scummy, or maybe it's because I'm just used to him acting like a douche bag that I'm unable to see it in the proper context. Either way, the risk is that we would have spent the entire day arguing about him and mislynching him which would have been even worse than the situation we are in right now.

Alsn

Sweden995 Posts

October 28 2012 18:16 GMT

#978

Cheese I agree with your assessment that he hasn't really taken any strong positions or contributed much other than his own musings.

I'm not sure of what to make of his argument towards kush if I am to believe he is a "ba townie". He does take a pretty firm stance to argue that kush "makes sense" at times, but then uses that single "djo is scum btw guys" oneliner from kush to somehow justify himself not trusting kush? From where I'm standing, other than his conclusion he was painting a vivid picture of kush acting very pro-town yet for some reason concludes that he's null/uncertain towards kush. This definitely agrees with my hunch that scum wanted to lynch kush today. Writing all the good things about him might then be signs of Inig having knowledge about kush's alignment leaving himself an option to say later on in the game "Look guys, I wasn't all that convinced kush was scum in the first place!".

I'm thinking if Inig was truly town he shouldn't have been able to come to that conclusion based on so little "scummy evidence". That being said, he did say he wanted to try and find a different lynch target for today. Seeing as kush is dead and we can't possibly lynch him, I'm waiting with great interest to see who exactly Inig would prefer to lynch.

Alsn

Sweden995 Posts

October 28 2012 18:18 GMT

#979

Wait, I think I misunderstood Inig's argument in that second post. I may need to retract my post just now. Hold on.

Alsn

Sweden995 Posts

October 28 2012 18:22 GMT

#980

Yea sorry I misread that second post entirely, I interpreted the "and then this" as Inig using that first short line and that line only as some sort of massive scum tell which would counter-balance his argument that kush was clear and focused and made sense. I see now that that's not at all what that line was about and I think his conclusion is probably then just based on his prior suspicions. Sorry for jumping the gun. :/

Alsn

Sweden995 Posts

October 28 2012 18:26 GMT

#981

The last sentence of my post however still applies:

That being said, Inig did say he wanted to try and find a different lynch target for today. Seeing as kush is dead and we can't possibly lynch him, I'm waiting with great interest to see who exactly he would prefer to lynch.

Alsn

Sweden995 Posts

October 28 2012 19:41 GMT

#999

I have a question though, if Djod is scum as your case suggests debears, what does that make Inig? Djod has been on him from the very beginning of the game. Pretty much his entire D1 play consisted of asking people to look at Inig.

Alsn

Sweden995 Posts

October 28 2012 19:42 GMT

#1000

Wow, so I guess we won't be getting anything out of nackh...

If you're still here nackh, I don't even know if you've read the thread so far, but who would you like to lynch and why? You can be brief if you want.

Alsn

Sweden995 Posts

October 28 2012 20:39 GMT

#1004

Hm, I suppose that is WIFOM, yes.

I'll take another hard look at Djod and Inig tomorrow but I'm definitely in favour of lynching Dandel right now. I'm heading off to bed as I need to be up early tomorrow.