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debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 23 2012 16:38 GMT
#144
On October 24 2012 01:36 marvellosity wrote:
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On October 24 2012 01:21 debears wrote:
ok. How about this. Make me a SK without nks. epic third party win in that scenario


I don't think you quite understand the nature of a Serial Killer


I'd be a psychological serial killer in that scenario. Making everyone kill everyone else. Mwaahahahhha
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 24 2012 02:21 GMT
#155
Not to mention the deadline is 7 my time i believe, which is usually a half hour after i get out of practice! hooray! Although if the game starts tomorrow i will miss the first lynch on friday most likely cuz i have a game
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 24 2012 04:04 GMT
#157
So you aren't cheering for me </3.....heartbroken
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 24 2012 04:34 GMT
#159
I will. Don't make me vote you Djo.....
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 24 2012 20:00 GMT
#165
Who hasnt confirmed?
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 25 2012 00:06 GMT
#173
Welcome everyone!!!! Been waiting for this for a while!!!

A few things I'd like to know from everyone.
1) How many games have you played in?
2) How many have you observed seriously?
3)Will you be normally around for lynch?

For me
1) 2 games
2) 3/4
3) Yes I will - except this friday (most likely. I play baseball for my college and we have a game friday night. don't know for sure how long it will go)

Look forward to hearing from all of you. Let's get this rolllinngggg!!!!!!
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 25 2012 00:20 GMT
#179
Alright two others posting!

@Dandel

Agreed. Lurkers are obviously detrimental to every game. Be active boys.

@Everyone

Finally, I will not tolerate anyone playing the noob card this game. After the Djo looney lynching spectacle and Djo's play in the last newbie I was very mad..........It's hard for anyone to differentiate newbie town and newbie scum. DON'T DO IT.

Also, USE YOUR COACHES. They improve the quality of the game and help you improve much faster :D
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 25 2012 00:21 GMT
#180
On October 25 2012 09:18 Dandel Ion wrote:
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On October 25 2012 09:16 Rad wrote:
oh, re-reading #2 question, I've never /obs'd, not even sure what that gets you other than just reading the thread. All I did was open the last newbie thread and get hooked.

You get to gobble up the insights into things, from people that are better at mafia than you are. Or something.

Why it's relevant for the thread to know how many games you've obs'd, I don't know. It doesn't really matter imo.


Dandel it's relevant, especially for newbies. At the very least they've seen how a whole game works, which is hugely important.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 25 2012 00:29 GMT
#183
Dandel do you agree with the noobie-card policy?
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 25 2012 00:34 GMT
#186
Yes, that was the point.....lol I gotta work on my word choice...

If you don't know what playing the noobie card is guys, check out Djo's filters in the last two games.....you'll see it pretty easily in those
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 25 2012 00:35 GMT
#187
Rad, in other words, it's specifically saying "I'm a noob I don't know better".

Look at the last newbie real quick and read Djo's filter and look at how he goes out of his way to say he's noobie.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 25 2012 00:38 GMT
#189
Actually, check this out

On September 29 2012 16:49 Djodref wrote:
@DarthPunk

well, it's because of the two following posts of debears towards me

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On September 28 2012 13:24 debears wrote:
@darthpunk

You could also say that you are too convinced in your reasons. What I am cautious of at this point is that you stated directly before the game that you were after kush if he plays like he has in his past 3 games. I feel like that may be clouding your judgement in this situation.

Our main goal is to lynch mafia. Yes, kush has said some scummy things. However, I'm not gonna go around parading this early saying "kush is scum. Kush is scum. OMFG".

Also, let the man defend himself instead of trying to rally everyone active behind your cause so early. If he is scummy, the votes will come.

Anyhow. I see two others who have suspiciously posted.

@Boson

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On September 28 2012 09:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
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On September 28 2012 08:43 DarthPunk wrote:
It is not impossible to find scum on the first day. Policy lynches get you no info, you are most likely going to hit a townie, and you end up in the same position the next day minus 2 town. @Djodref your 'day plan' is unnecessary. Scum hunt, vote for your top scum read and everything else will fall into place.


After LVII I'm rather liking the idea of policy lynches, in extreme cases.

Killing lurkers in a lurker-infested town, for example, is something I'm inclined to agree on. If the town proves itself active, then whoever proves himself scummier will occupy the noose.

Given that this is a newbie game, scums are generally more scared to post. While that is a general tendency, I don't agree with mass posters being cleared right off the bat, even if their posts seem meaningful.

What I suggest in this game, is that people read. From my few games, much time is usually wasted discussing things that have not been read properly.

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On September 28 2012 06:56 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
Cool, we're on. Pretty bad timing though, I'm off to bed and then I've got a day at uni before I can really start posting. I hope to God when I get back we've moved past the lurker policy discussion. My message to newbies: the best way for you to clear yourself is to post a lot. Don't post just for the sake of posting though, that'll make you look like scum because posting for the sake of posting is what scum do.


This is a rather useless post. Newbie towns want to scumhunt. Newbie scum want to look like they are scumhunting. That =/= posting a lot but not for the sake of posting, or whatever you meant.

And please tell me, what do you mean? You say you hope to have moved past the lurker discussion, and yet you are telling people to post a lot? In my eyes you are telling people not to lurk because that will make them seem scummy. It seems to me that you are indirectly stating your views on lurkers despite openly saying you don't want to talk about them.



Boson, please try not to read too hard into a person's very first posts and make something out of nothing. It is pretty clear what sonic was saying. He wants newbies to post so that they don't get grouped under the lurker corral that usually follows up later. Last game, we had lurkers galore and it really messed up the town.

Also, you mention that his post is useless. Now I will examine your two other posts in terms of uselessness.


On September 28 2012 09:12 Z-BosoN wrote:
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On September 28 2012 09:01 kushm4sta wrote:
On September 28 2012 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 28 2012 06:58 kushm4sta wrote:
@sonic
getting everyone's thoughts on lurker policy is important. Don't argue about it but share your views on the matter please..

No it's not. It is simply a mechanism to get the discussion going and allows scum to seem to participate and to potentially mislynch an inactive townie. Any more talk of policy will get you FoS'd.


Sorry but who appointed this asshole boss?
you get people's thoughts on lurker policy, so you can catch them deviating from it later and question them about it.


And why are you that scared of a FOS?


A one-liner. A question that really doesn't accomplish anything. In other words, a useless post. Also, your next post doesn't address his response although he responded right after and you posted within 30 minutes of his response in a pretty light thread.

On September 28 2012 09:43 Z-BosoN wrote:
@DP

Saying we will lynch lurkers is one thing. Deciding whether a lurker should die later at day two is another.
What I said is I'm inclined to lynch a lurker if there aren't better choices, not that we will 100% lynch a lurker.

@Stutters

I'd like to see more posts from you. In XXIV you showed you were capable of making decent posts as town, so I encourage you to post eve more here.

@kush

What's your view on darthpunk? You said you don't like his coldness, but you don't like it in a "he's scum" sort of way?


Yet again, nothing of substance here. You go more in depth about semantics (is that the right word I'm looking for?) about lynching lurkers and lynching lurkers at day two.

Second, you call out stutters, who has already been warned by others and most likely the mods for no reason this early in the game.

Finally, two sentences, two questions going on about the exact wording of kush's statements.

It sounded like before the game you had stated that you have played in multiple games. Is that true?

For someone who is telling other people to not post useless posts, you aren't doing a good job of it yourself. Looks more like you are trying to just be active while off the radar. In other words, you are a semi-active lurker who has bad post quality. Sounds like characteristics of a certain alignment.


@Djoref


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On September 28 2012 08:51 Djodref wrote:
@Darthpunk

Nevermind you look just more confident to get a scum on D1 than me.


Regarding my plan, I think we need general directions to follow because of the majority lynch.
It is a way to gather everybody around 2-3 suspicious players and secure a lynch. I'm assuming everyone agree on a no-lynch to be stupid.


Djoref, I don't like that statement at all. That's the second post you bring up about the likelihood of lynching a townie d1. As town, you should never have that mentality. I would probably less likely to bring this up if you were a total nooby. However, you said you "know Kush's meta" which means you have some decent understanding of the game for a noob.

By saying this, it seems that you are setting yourself an excuse to be indecisive later in the day when the lynch voting comes around. Alone, it isn't much. However, your other posts don't help.


On September 28 2012 08:44 Djodref wrote:
@Darthpunk

Considering that we are likely to lynch a town on D1, don't you think it's a lesser wrong to get rid of someone inactive ?
Inactivity means no scumhunt and room to hide for the mafia...


After playing mafia last game, I feel like heavy lurking is a bad play for mafia. It puts too much pressure on you are as a scum. Instead, posting lightly without much substance is more mafia indicative.

Yet again, I feel you are just looking like you are contributing without saying much.

Especially when you already covered your thoughts in a previous post.

On September 28 2012 08:36 Djodref wrote:
Hello everybody !

About me

This is my first game ever on forum but I've been playing on SC2mafia and also irl. But I've been lurking on the TL Mafia forum for a while (so I know your meta kush^^) and I decided to join this newbie game.
I'm also a French guy and I live in Korea so my english is not on top and it's going to ne difficult for me to be around at deadline (5.00 am KST).

Lurker policy

From the games I've seen, unless you have a golden scumslip on d1, it's very difficult to lynch a scum the very first day.
So I have no problem ending up voting for the most suspicious lurker at the end of the day. I define most suspicious lurker as a semi-lurker just trying to blend in.


Day Plan

I don't think to be able to be around for the first deadline so I would like to propose a day plan to secure a lynch as we are using a majority vote. First 24 hours to find lynch candidates while scumhunting and next 20 hours to decide who is the scummiest. Last 4 hours to consolidate the vote or switch to a lurker.

Please discuss


Notice how you are just repeating points? It isn't helpful to us.

Next post

On September 28 2012 11:09 Djodref wrote:
@Kush

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thank you now I won't be nk


Was it also a joke ?
How can you be so sure you are not going to be NKed ?


A two sentence, two question post. I don't like these. They are worthless. Also, this question came quite a bit later after darthpunk already was asking questions about joking. You seem to be sheeping onto darth's case against kush.

On September 28 2012 11:53 Djodref wrote:
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On September 28 2012 11:22 kushm4sta wrote:

Because the most active townie is tunneling me?



I would also like to hear you explanations about this specific part. I don't have a read on Darth on the moment considering he has only been hard tunneling you. As you said yourself you have a scummy meta so you are an easy target for early game to put pressure on.

So what makes him so much town ?



Yet again, this post is just repeating what darth is saying. Another question. I don't like this.

Your early posts are indicative of a semi-active scum. Sheeping, question posts, and rehashing things already said multiple times.



this one makes me a suspicious poster

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On September 29 2012 01:55 debears wrote:
@Djoref

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On September 28 2012 15:22 Djodref wrote:
@DarthPunk

For your information, i consider the comments of debears on my posts legitimate. Let me say that I even don't like them. Currently reading the guides and older game analysis.


Please pm marv for help. The coaches are great



And this one makes me a newbie town

That's why I want him to clarify his opinions of me


Doing the work for ya :D cuz I know where to look
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 25 2012 00:39 GMT
#190
Last example

On September 30 2012 22:57 Djodref wrote:
Hello guys !

I understand your suspicions but I'm just a town newbie with a lot of bad posts. I'll try my best to step up and post cases.
If you don't mind, I'm going to build a case on debears before addressing your attacks because I feel I might screwing up myself more if I spend too much time defending your cases against me. But I can shortly explain my backflip on Kush.

At the beginning of the game, I was not confident at all to nail a scum on day 1. I have even been called for it but, as a newbie, I didn't think I could have a correct read on someone (be it town or scum) and was really afraid of a mislynch. So, at that time, when Darth found Kush scumslip, I was not ready to believe it was so easy to find a scum. That's why I bought kush's explanations for his scumslip. After that I went out and slept and when I came back to the thread I found all the crazy posts from kush and also SDM case.
I realized at this point that the slip was indeed a scum slip. Also I realized that not being confident is bad for town so I boost up my confidence. I called the scumteam kush/debears/corrosion and also was more and more sure of kush being red.


debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 25 2012 00:42 GMT
#193
Yeah I am. He wifomed me to death "literally" last game and played the newbie town card. Pissed me the f off.
I don't like that shit. Makes the game super confusing.

Anways, I'm heading out to drinkzor's (how much, I do not know). I expect everyone else to at least be stopping by and answering the questions I laid out. Seriously, it takes 1 minute to do them.

I'll be checking on my phone and posting when I can!
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 25 2012 01:26 GMT
#202
On October 25 2012 10:08 Dandel Ion wrote:
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On October 25 2012 10:02 Inigmaticalism wrote:
For lurking I think it seems even more of an issue in Newbie games than regular games because too many lurkers results in mafia wins most of the time in the Newbie games I looked at. That said, if we get any confirmed mafia I'll always vote confirmed mafias over suspicious lurkers.

Btw Im a noob ...

That goes without saying. Having a confirmed scum can be hard though.. And is next to impossible day 1 (since no possible DT checks) unless there is a serious slip.

That is why policy lynches day 1 can end up being a necessity.



That said, I'm going to sleep. See you in a few hours.


What are you saying here exactly? Policy lynches are by no means a necessity. If we are confident and push reads, like dp did last game, then the scum will show. Why do you lack the confidence of catching scum d1?

FOS dandel

Btw guys officially postjng from phone for rest of night. Tell me if something gets messes up and u can't read
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 25 2012 01:30 GMT
#203
On October 25 2012 09:52 Djodref wrote:
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On October 25 2012 09:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@ "Uncle" Dan

I am of the opinion that inactive players are a good candidate for lynching. There is too much mystery involved with someone whose only contribution to the thread is nonexistent.

In regards to the noobie-card policy: I have to say that claiming inexperience is a terrible defense against any accusation. Djo in the last newbie game made several references to him being a noob (and being town), and it only served to make him seem suspicious to other players.


You are sure taking lurker policy lynch seriously. Would you explain us at which point suspicious players become better lynch candidates than inactive players ?


Djo, why did you suddenly drop this after cheesecake responded?

Also, why did you interpret his post as taking lurker policy "so seriously" when he was respondjng to a question?
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 25 2012 02:39 GMT
#206
I might be. But, consider this. How did that slip from kush come about? Darthpunks heavy pressure.....duh. policy lynches, on the other hand, are usually caused by passivity or something like a claim. Besides, its fairly easy to discuss policy lynches. Its not easy to be confident. I learned my mistake last game. I didn't stick to a read til the SDM case. I basically said screw it and went with it. Where did that confidence get me?
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 25 2012 04:15 GMT
#213
On October 25 2012 12:00 Rad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 11:39 debears wrote:
I might be. But, consider this. How did that slip from kush come about? Darthpunks heavy pressure.....duh. policy lynches, on the other hand, are usually caused by passivity or something like a claim. Besides, its fairly easy to discuss policy lynches. Its not easy to be confident. I learned my mistake last game. I didn't stick to a read til the SDM case. I basically said screw it and went with it. Where did that confidence get me?


You're being especially confusing right now, at least for me.

Dan basically said sure, if we have a confirmed mafia d1 (which he claims would be difficult without a major slip), lynch, otherwise it might be necessary to policy lynch. This seems reasonable.

Your statement, however, is extremely confusing. Without knowing your previous game in depth, none of what I quoted above means anything. Can you please explain more briefly/clearly "where your confidence got you"? Also, what does your previous confidence have to do with any potential scenario for a d1 lynch?



Ok this phone posting iw hard. Forgive th disorganization. Confidence has everything to do with d1. If everyone is confident and pushes cases, then scum will be forced to do the same. That is the key. We need to force scumcto contribute early
My confidence led to me making a game winning case on arguably the most townie looking player (who was the last scum)
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 25 2012 04:18 GMT
#216
On October 25 2012 12:53 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 10:30 debears wrote:
On October 25 2012 09:52 Djodref wrote:
On October 25 2012 09:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@ "Uncle" Dan

I am of the opinion that inactive players are a good candidate for lynching. There is too much mystery involved with someone whose only contribution to the thread is nonexistent.

In regards to the noobie-card policy: I have to say that claiming inexperience is a terrible defense against any accusation. Djo in the last newbie game made several references to him being a noob (and being town), and it only served to make him seem suspicious to other players.


You are sure taking lurker policy lynch seriously. Would you explain us at which point suspicious players become better lynch candidates than inactive players ?


Djo, why did you suddenly drop this after cheesecake responded?

Also, why did you interpret his post as taking lurker policy "so seriously" when he was respondjng to a question?


@debears

The part I've bolded in Cheese's post was a comment about dandel's post you have picked on. It was not related to the part where he was answering your questions.

He didn't mention any other good candidates for lynching than inactive players so I thought he wanted to lynch based on lurker policy lynch today. But he has clarified his position since then.


Very well djo. I found the wording of seriously strong for your post.

Can you clarify why you have a sudden 180 on confidence on day 1 from your last game as town?
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 25 2012 04:24 GMT
#221
Rad,

I understand what you're saying. However, you are misinterpretjng my words. I'm not saying go on a tunneling spree. I'm saying have the confidence to make a case on anyone and pursue that case until you find that person town or someone else more scummy
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