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And actually if it starts soon I can play so why not? /in | ||
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Edit: no...I'm not too lazy to read the thread or PM the host.... | ||
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Say you have 30 players, 6 mafia with 2 KP. If the town mislynches every day the mafia will win after night 6 (assuming no KP went to waste on veterans, medics, etc). That's a lot of mislynches you have to endure in order to win. While not directly applicable, it should be noted that in real life mafia games (of which player size isn't usually over 12) the setups are designed so that the mafia wins if the town mislynches either 2 or 3 times. (Note: the 2 or 3 is a bit player dependent and mostly a personal preference. In 7-8 player games 2 mislynches is good for a setup; 3 mislynches is good if you got 11-12 players. Even still, players have differing views on how many mislynches should be required for the mafia to win). When you design a setup, the mafia KP is not the first thing you figure out. Instead, you ask the question, "how many mislynches should the town receive before they lose?" Then you determine that number (again, personal preference factors in a lot) and base KP on how many blue roles you have that interfere with that number. In theory, for a 30 man game, you can have 2 mafia and give them 5 or 6KP a night. Town gets 5 or 4 lynches to hit one of them. In reality this is probably close to balanced, but obviously this game wouldn't be very fun if hosted (for one it would probably only last a week and a half or so). So instead of thinking of just the direct effects of mafia KP ("zomg 3 KP is sooooo much!!") ask yourself the question, "how many mislynches should the town get before they lose?" or "how many lynches should the mafia survive to be victorious?" then see what works. 30 man setup with 3KP....Mafia will have to survive at least 5 lynches to win, and that's probably pretty good for 30 players. (Personally, I'm more of a fan of giving town less lynches to win, but again, personal preference). | ||
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On January 03 2013 08:24 Tunkeg wrote: Hi guys. I am sick and tired of stupid as fuck townplayers. They make it harder then it should be to catch the scum. I am also sick and tired of the amount of sick respect some of you give the "good" players of this game, and how little you hold them accountable for their actions. Last game I played here I got lynched because the scumteam spearheaded by marvellosity made what I think is a pretty bad and illogical case on me, and the rest of the town didn't bother to form their own opinions. I would love if this game were as simple as: stupid (read: Illogical bad town play)=scum, that is utopia, but please at least try to think your posts through before spewing them into the thread, it will make the game much easier. Force the scumplayers to be the ones making shit up and posting illogical shit. If you think someone is acting scummy, reread them, ask yourself if their actions truly is scummy or if you are misreading, don't make poor reads and infest the thread with them. This is what I expect of the players in this game, nothing less, make scum struggle to write posts that doesn't make them suspicious. Also if you respect a player in this game, hold them to the highest standard, don't let them get away with playing a poor town game, because if they do play below their townstandard, they are more likely to be scum than not. Please hold me to this standard as well (even though some of you consider me to be utter shit), if my number one scumread isn't a scumplayer the first couple of days I am playing way below my standards, and by the logic provided over I am more likely to be scum than not. TLDR: Players of TLMafia get your shit together, especially the ones who allways are mentioned as stupid. Also expect the good players to be great, and don't accept them not being it! Best post ever. It's so good I'm just not going to read the next 20 pages. | ||
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AWWWW YEEAAAAAHHHH | ||
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On January 04 2013 08:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Foolish has nothing to do with my vote... On January 04 2013 08:00 VisceraEyes wrote: I told you exactly why I voted Toad, and it has absolutely NOTHING to do with Foolish aside from the fact that Foolish did it first. Uh oh | ||
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On January 04 2013 09:58 Palmar wrote: Hey Foolishness, I would like to have a conversation with you. Can you be around for a few minutes? To start off, I would like to know what you think of BC and why. Scum BC likes to lurk. Scum BC tries to be nice to people. So far haven't seen any of that. | ||
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Save BC! | ||
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On January 05 2013 07:04 Toadesstern wrote: so you're basicly saying you are a town daycop? Well the OP doesn't say it has to be night-COP at all and it could be variations... @foolishness: Good job voting 1 minute after the deadline though It's almost like I purposely planned that. | ||
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On January 05 2013 07:24 wherebugsgo wrote: I am actually seriously confused atm. The BC day claim thing didn't make any sense Have you read the Brown One's filter? | ||
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I don't know if Hopeless is bored or mafia yet. The Brown One seems out of character this game. For example: On January 05 2013 05:10 Chezinu wrote: ooc: Guys, I would like to apologize for being one of the first to be suspicious of marv yet being the last to vote. I know its scummy. But it had to be done. PS: You guys remember that time when town started a last minute bandwagon and hopped twice? that was awesome. wtf is this post? | ||
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On January 05 2013 07:37 VisceraEyes wrote: He's afraid the people he's trying to manipulate can't understand him Foolish, it's not like old times. That makes no sense. | ||
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On January 05 2013 07:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Do the moments of lucidity coincide with anything significant? Bandwagon changes, specific players appearing in the thread, etc... No. That doesn't matter right now. | ||
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On January 05 2013 07:54 wherebugsgo wrote: yeah they do, he found a need to justify his vote on marv. He even said it himself that he was one of the first people on marvellosity. | ||
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On January 05 2013 07:55 supersoft wrote: oh god what happened. I feel really sick right now and i was sleeping. Can someone shoot marv tonight?, please? *facepalm* | ||
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On January 05 2013 10:17 wherebugsgo wrote: Foolishness wanna take a try at my newfangled game? I think you'll like it  Satisfaction guaranteed.What does one propose we do about the tube problem? It's really easy actually. Here's his filter from this game: This Game Here's his filter from Mafia XLVII: XLVII They look pretty similar don't they? Guess what role he was in XLVII? | ||
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On January 05 2013 10:39 marvellosity wrote: you know, I was about to look at you funny for picking on something that seemed small and silly, but then I found his town filter from Newbie XXI: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351398&user=34440 not quite the same. That was the other half of my case =P | ||
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On January 07 2013 06:17 VisceraEyes wrote: I did after I posted that Tunkeg is probably scum after everything. XD I'm back and reading. You didn't say anything about Promethelax. | ||
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Witchcraft MINI Mafia Newbie MINI Mafia XXXII The first thing one should immediately notice is the amount of times he's posting. In a 13 player game he had an outstanding 23 pages of filter. In a 9 player game (the Newbie game) he had 7 pages of filter in the first cycle (he was killed night 1). This is a guy who likes to post. He likes to be a Bill Murray or Coagulation. He wants to post and respond to everything that's going on. I shouldn't need to tell you that this game he hasn't even had a full page of posts yet. Though his filter has been mostly one liners it's clear that he does not care about this game. His second most recent post is this: On January 04 2013 08:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: It's not an accusation - it's truth. Truth for half the players too. Don't worry I'll be cooking up something later tonight after work. And he never followed through on his "cooking up". He admitted in one of his earlier posts that he's not contributing: On January 04 2013 02:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Dat feel when waking up at noon. Perfection timing I guess. In b4 "omg active lurking" Yes I'm not contributing. @Anyone who knows about Palmar Does stupid / dick Palmar = scum Palmar? Totally cool if we're going to lynch him for trolling. It'd make waking up heck of a less daunting task. Although I'm curious how my lynch wagon will air-out, I think it could produce some interesting results. Sheep the vote on me. As for my vote today -- bouncing between Palmar (prolly not) and some random Bob in the lurking zone. Tunkeg's lynch I can't see being built around anything serious. @VE Did you seriously warrant my vote based on a pre-game comment? Hehehe. But yes, I did go to sleep. For like 12 hours it was pretty epic laziness. Sheep my lynch guys, gogo. But he hasn't done anything to try to redeem himself. He does not care. His taunting of us to sheep his lynch is also very disturbing. It doesn't accomplish anything for the town. He did it in the above post and in the following: On January 05 2013 03:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: ##vote: marv Because sheeping dibbers and phone posting / not reading thread. In b4 im scum. What is the purpose of him doing that? It does nothing except draw attention away from himself. He doesn't want attention drawn to himself. He doesn't want anyone calling him out. He does it to make us scared of calling him scum. He wants out of the spotlight because he is mafia. In the two games he was town I put above, you can clearly see how vested he is in the game. Take one of his posts from witchcraft mini + Show Spoiler + On December 22 2012 07:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: THIS WAS TYPED UP QUICKLY, DON'T EXPECT TOO MUCH ORGANIZATION, BUT MY OPINION STANDS. I'M ABOUT TO ASK KUSH TO VOTE JX WITH ME. HE KNOWS HE WILL FLIP TOWN. THEN TOWN LYNCHES ME / DJO = SCUMWIN. IF KUSH VOTES WITH ME FOR JX -- EYWA / KUSH SCUMTEAM GG Don't flatter yourself. The only thing I saw was a meta case which was questionable and his reluctance to lynch DYH. I truly believe Djo is Innocent, I cannot pair him up with a scumbuddy. Do JX / Eywa make sense? No, he's pushed for the lynch of JX hardcore and flamed with Eywa, who even called him part of the scumteam. Do I make sense? Yes, I do, but I'm town. Djo's only "scummy quality" is his reluctance to lynch DYH. That's it. If I recall, didn't KUSH actively attempt to PREVENT the DYH lynch? Trying to protect his scumbuddy. FAKECLAIM! Calling it right now. You want to know why he was SAFE to fakeclaim? Nobody else claimed. He was trying to see if any town were empowered by witchcraft. Thrawn also was likely to be witchcrafted, since I think at least 2 people voted for him. He also knows that at least I voted for him. He is completely safe to make this fakeclaim -- A scry on DYH. And DYH just happened to be the priest, how convenient. The entire situation just seems to convenient for Kush. He didn't even breadcrumb the god-damned check. Then, he tries to push a mislynch, JX. Look at his reasons for voting JX... 100% knew morb was town... SO DID EYWA. Cases built on terrible reasoning... EYWA MORESO. Why does he want to lynch JX over Eywa? Because he's his scumbuddy. Look at his hard-defense of Eywa. Think about it: Does Kush EVER defend people like this? First time forum mafia game my ass, so what. Normal Kush wouldn't give a damn. Kush's case on Djo is OKAY to say the least, but it hinges on only one thing: reluctance to lynch DYH. Kush was SO MUCH MORE reluctant, trying to push another mislynch, and only bussing at the very last second. Why does he think Eywa is town?? Mad that he's getting pressured? Eywa Kush scumteam. And look at this BS: Let's see, everyone that is dead and someone that claims to have powers. lol. DJO HAS PUSHED JX ALL GAME LONG HOW CAN THEY BE SCUMTEAM?!!? Anyone that's not Eywa. Eywa / Kush scumteam. Kush has done nothing this game besides push for the lynch of Djo and hard defend Eywa. This fakeclaim bullshit shouldn't instantly make him town. Both Eywa and Kush fit the profile of not wanting to lynch DYH. Kush hard defends Eywa, and attacks Djo for acting the SAME exact way he was during the lynch. Kush never pushes Eywa despite him doing the exact same "scummy things" as JieXian. I can't emphasize how badly I think they are scumteam. Eywa / JX makes sense, so does Kush / Eywa. Gotta lynch me a Eywa today. I can't put together any scumteam that excludes Eywa. My vote stays. I'll go Kush if possible, but Eywa is friggen 100% scum. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Eywa EYWA + KUSH SCUMTEAM DIE DIE DIE Ask me anything about this scumteam right here. I've got more ammo in the chamber for any questions. Kill them. Look how excited he is. "THIS IS THE SCUM TEAM GG", "DIE DIE DIE". He's excited to play mafia, more evident by the fact that he posts nonstop. He makes the infrequent long post like the one above calling out his reads. He helps and contributes, and most importantly he speaks exactly what is on his mind. He was never afraid to post before, yet this game he is. Mr. Cheesecake is mafia. | ||
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On January 07 2013 07:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Foolishness: Can I assume that you think this activity tell makes Cheesecake a stronger candidate than MZ? From my perspective they both give equal (read: zero) shits about helping town. What do you think about MZ? Yes. I'm fine with Meapak dying but the case on Cheesecake is stronger. When I read Meapak's filter I get the sense that he might be bored (though I have no idea how you can be bored if you're a mason). But of course he's proven to be an active and aggressive player when he's town, and that's not what he's doing this game. | ||
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On January 07 2013 08:09 Palmar wrote: I quickly skimmed foolishness's contributions. I very much agree on his thoughts on Cheesecake. I would also support a lynch on MZ and I have serious concerns about VE. What's wrong with VE? On January 07 2013 08:10 yamato77 wrote: I will sheep this case as it is a completely accurate assessment of CC's play this game and his play in other games I have played with him and obs'd. Foolish I will ask you a question though, what made you want to lynch Marv day 1? Was it a town read on BC or an honest scum read on Marv? Town read on BC. I had stated earlier in the day that I thought he hadn't done anything to say he was mafia. I came back to the thread right before lynch time and saw it was between BC and marv, so I quickly tried to put my vote on marv. Honestly I had not read the thread and didn't even know they had both claimed blue. My vote didn't even count cause it was late. Since both of them were blue it's safe to say the mafia weren't behind the lynch. So I doubt there was more than one or two mafia who were actively pushing someone day 1. | ||
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On January 08 2013 03:21 Vivax wrote: First of all, I think it's too early for you to make a connection cases between CC and him. I wouldn't expect CCs flip to be alignment indicative of the people attacking him. I don't agree with Foolishs' read on CC, Palmar said that town Foolishness posts very good reads. He posted a read that doesn't include CCs scum game, instead just two town games, although the posting frequency argument holds. But I would expect someone renowned like Foolish to double check his reads better and include CCs scum game like I did. 2 pages of filter is pretty sad for such a renowned town player, but according to Palmar that's the vets' style. Until we see more, Fool is null for me. Now, Palmar agrees with him on CC without noticing that he didn't post all of meta. I actually can't trust Palmar on anything he says anymore since he's playing on his own and trolling the shit out of us, and giving him cred for posting that list is shit cause mafia know who's town anyway, so he's always going to step onto the right feet. Palmar is currently among the bad boys for me, although he would have fooled us like a boss with his irc chat. He looks quite sincere in his interactions with iamp. I believe that we should pull Toad out of his comfort zone and let him know that we're going to stalk his posts. Such a talkative player shouldn't be silent in this phase. Same for grush, Djo, thrawn, froggy, MZ, Sentinel. Djo started singing like a rockstar when he had enough votes poking his ass in Hero MM  @Iamp Did Palmar invite you first to his irc domain or did you ask for a live chat system? What's wrong with my case on CC? He hasn't posted at all this game, and his posts show that he has no interest in playing. This is contrary to his entire town play. Everytime he rolls town he is very active poster (23 pages for an entire game, 7 pages in the first 72 hours of the game) and he clearly has a dedicated interest in figuring out the mafia. Furthermore he always excited to be town, and clearly wants the mafia dead and does analysis. There's none of that this game. I'm flying to Vegas today for CES this week, so my time is going to be more limited the next few days. | ||
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On January 08 2013 14:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Where are HiroPro and froggynoddy? Who knows where Cheesecake has gone? Where is Foolishness? Why are there so many people just simply not present and trying to find scum? WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?! As I said I am in Vegas and my time is a bit limited. Furthermore hotel internet is arse (took me 15min to get here, the page with the daypost won't even load for me). But as far as I can see we're still lynching cheesecake tomorrow. He hasn't done a thing to redeem himself and no other case is stronger than his. [spoiler]And in case you jubjubs haven't figured it out yet, no, we're not killing Meapak[/spoilers] | ||
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