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On January 06 2013 14:06 iamperfection wrote: however clarity we are lynching jackal and thats really not up for discussion otherwise.
Why, I thought you were in favor of delaying it for a cycle as well? Did I miss something?
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Oh, well that's no fun, poop. If we lynch someone else and him tomorrow there's a bunch of night wifom scum will have to do (as jackal might get shot by town) and no one gets to hide behind the jackal lynch. I understand you want people to play as if he's already dead but.... eh
##Vote Jackal
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What do you think of yamato, iamp? I'm having a hard time reaching any kind of conclusion. He seems rather carefree which would be a town trait, but other than that....
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Can we change the rules to "pretend Jackal AND MZ are already dead, who do you wanna lynch"?
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On January 06 2013 20:20 froggynoddy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 09:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I don't get what mafia would stand to gain by shooting WBG today instead of shooting 3 others and taking care of him at night. He had a one-time power, and this way there would be questioning if WBG is really the cop or if he is scum. Because he was in danger of recovering town from its Day 1 mess perhaps? Palmar was happy to lynch two non-scum and he would be discredited so I'm guessing scum are gonna kill people who are going to rally town. I seriously doubt this is WBG scumpowerplay, I don't see the point for scum to risk this but hey, as someone mentioned they could be bored I guess. ##Vote: Jackal58
I don't understand what you mean by the bolded.
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On January 06 2013 21:00 Lazermonkey wrote: Back to tunneling Hopeless : )
I'm actually going to concede my argument with that Hopeless meta play is making him scum. It doesn't actually. While he isn't really playing like town he isn't playing like scum either. So it's quite a null tell imo. Maybe a slight town tell even.
Hopeless, you said yourself that I shouldn't just watch TLVII Mafia because you were way more active then. You instead say I should watch Chrono trigger. CT is a completely diferent game than TLVII (which is much more similar to this game). But I must say I can see the similarities between CT and this game. Tho it's entirely possible that you are saying this just to justify your scum play.
With that being said, Hopeless is still scum : )
You basically just said that his meta doesn't make him scum because it can be similar to his town play, but your argument for him being scum is directly tied to his meta. I'm not saying he can't be scum, he definitely could be, but you're not going to convince people by repeating the fact that "he hasn't scumhunted" is your only argument, which can be explained away by meta.
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Prome maybe some fresh eyes on Palmar would be nice, what do you think of him?
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Eh okay I didn't realize you literally just started reading the game. I guess we'll hear from you in a couple of hours then.
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He's town. I liked his response and he had a "townslip" that I pointed out a little earlier.
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His attack on me was terrible but it wasn't scum terrible, it was the promises thing that really had me thinking he was scum for a while.
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Lazer what do you make of Hopeless quad-votehop near d1 lynchtime from a scum perspective?
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Guys seriously stop taking pisses alone.
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I hate to wifom kills but I immediately hopped on keirathi's filter and he quite fervently called palmar scum.
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On January 04 2013 20:56 Palmar wrote: Not to mention Marv agreed with a terrible case by scumdam on townity.
So scumdam would be adam would be keirathi would be town. Townity would be me, who he has been setting up to call scum. Plus I agreed with the thing adam/marv pointed out, anyway. My day 1 was less than spectacular and pointing it out = townie.
On January 04 2013 23:46 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 23:30 froggynoddy wrote: Oh and I refuse to see the logs as having any bearing on alignent on either iamp or Palmar.
The fact that:
1. Iamp conveniently didnt have the logs with him 2. Hours later Palmar refused to show the logs claiming (perhaps rightfully) that this this would not help town... I think this is true Day 1 as his reads, though convincing, are still based on just one days activity and noobs like me will feel strongly motivated to work on his assumptions rather than think for themselves. 3. Palmar finally gives up, even though he wasnt hugely at risk of a lynch.
This, truly, is some more narrative construction and I am not saying that the logs were necessarily faked, just that I would rather base any judgment on his thread activity which honestly... baffles me so I cant really say one way or another. I just posted the logs to become confirmedtown and to piss off marv.
This comment is just out of place. The fact that iamp masoned him does not make him confirmed town. He definitely put some effort into the masonchat but that's balanced by the fact that he was trolling in the game. Saying he's confirmed town is weird.
On January 04 2013 23:47 Palmar wrote: it's a decent point Jackal but lynching bugs is so last game. lynching marv is where it's at.
???? This post is in reply to this:
On January 04 2013 23:46 Jackal58 wrote: Yea Palmar is ignoring me. Much appreciated man. WBG is scum. He hasn't called anybody a moron yet. Only time he doesn't call people he disagrees with a moron is when he's scum. Actually I haven't seen him really disagree with anybody yet. All he's done is tunnel Palmar. A pleasant tunneling WBG is a scummy WBG. He gets my vote.
Which is NOT a decent point, and guess what bugs flipped?
BUT NONE OF THAT IS WHY I OPENED PALMAR'S FILTER, I OPENED IT TO LOOK FOR A MENTION OF MEAPEK, WHERE THE FUCK IS IT? Doesn't goddamn exist.
Palmar scum
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On January 06 2013 22:25 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 22:07 Clarity_nl wrote: Lazer what do you make of Hopeless quad-votehop near d1 lynchtime from a scum perspective? I guess scum are less inclined to vote swap close to deadline, that however, doesn't make someone town just because he vote swapped alot.
Fine, they're less inclined, but if you cannot find a plausible scum perspective for his actions, you should not consider this null.
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On January 06 2013 22:30 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 22:26 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 06 2013 22:25 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 06 2013 22:07 Clarity_nl wrote: Lazer what do you make of Hopeless quad-votehop near d1 lynchtime from a scum perspective? I guess scum are less inclined to vote swap close to deadline, that however, doesn't make someone town just because he vote swapped alot. Fine, they're less inclined, but if you cannot find a plausible scum perspective for his actions, you should not consider this null. Obviously, as town are more inclined to vote swap it does make sense for scum to vote swap to look like they are town.
This argument implies hopeless plays a really strong game, which you have shown he has not.
Prome: Yeah he's scum, but it wasn't obvious to me even after bc and marv flips. Please realize you haven't even read the damn game yet. Maybe simplifying it like that is good but I'm at a point in the game where stuff has baggage
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wbg got the red check on jackal and got shot like 2 minutes later. I think Palmar clamed Jaedong named vt in mason chat.
I don't recall any other real claims. I would prefer it if you just took an hour or two and read the full game and then came back, though, prom.
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He claimed to get shot and saved, so I'm guessing medic. It means scum have no more dayvig's left unless iamp lied or town shot iamp.
I'm not trying to criticize the fact that you're not up to speed yet, but you have to realize that asking all these questions when the info is in the thread is quite tedious, since you can't really do anything with the information. I guess you carry it with you as you read the thread with fresh eyes.... dunno
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On January 06 2013 22:48 Vivax wrote:What the fuck Keirathi, gg  Townie things I see about sentinel are him digging up a game where he realizes that he wasn't talking about marv, it's improbable for scum to doublecheck their statements and then even admit they were wrong about something unless it's going to give them potential trouble. He's also pretty honest about the reads he doesn't deliver. He says it's sponsored by lithium carbonate, maybe he wants to tell us he suffers from some disorder. He's not a hot candidate for me right now, but he has made scummy decisions during the marv vs. BC phase. That caught my attention. There are still enough points out to reconsider it. I don't agree with some of claritys reasons for finding him scummy initially, and I don't agree with him being town cause he was assuming scum wouldn't shoot bugs. It's easy to make such posts when you know what's going to happen, it's essentially WIFOM. I prefer looking for general attitude and motivations.
Fucking hell dude do you read anything properly. You didn't understand my case on him as you demonstrated last post, and I never said he's town because he was assuming scum wouldn't shoot bugs, it's the fact that he thought there were 3 shots total when in fact as scum he would know they shot iamp in the night.
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