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On January 06 2013 04:12 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 04:11 debears wrote:On January 06 2013 04:09 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 06 2013 04:07 debears wrote:On January 06 2013 03:56 Keirathi wrote:On January 06 2013 03:51 debears wrote:
Ok. Quick question.
I noticed a certain two people suddenly picked up their activity at the exact moment that Marv ragequit. They started discussing with each other. I found it extremely odd that they would both happen to pop into the thread, after having little activity for so long, and suddenly take over the thread.
Considering marv's thread presence and ability as town, how likely would it be for those two to be scum? Maybe you could say exactly which two you are talking about. A lot of people started getting active around that time, because *GASP*, its wakey-wakey time. Ah good call. It appears one normally posts around that time. The other had not posted within 5 hours, but it would be a reasonable time to post based on location. However, I do see activity differences from both of these people in their town metas. Voting analysis will commence Stupid question: Why are you avoiding naming these mysterious people. In short, Idk who is scum at this point. I'm not trusting anyone with names, for fear of them being scum and misleading me. If I withold names, then scum can not know if I'm talking of their teammates I think someone deserves a promotion in the Brown Brotherhood. Well, played. Well played, indeed.
Castle Brown seems like a silly place.
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iamp what do you make of Sentinel?
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On January 06 2013 04:16 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 04:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
iamp what do you make of Sentinel? he was the self voter right? He could be another possibility. The self vote would put the spotlight on him for a bit normally but he didnt really do much besides that. Would like more info from him really.
I made a pretty expansive case on him if you haven't looked at it. Doesn't mention the self-vote though, cause that's just beyond stupid.
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Lazer, reading comprehension, acquire some
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On January 06 2013 04:43 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 04:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
supersoft don't compare my play this game with bureaucracy, I was the mafia traitor that game and so my play was really wonky. Also it really doesn't make sense that you wanna kill me because I have two correct town reads. I know I'm not playing a good game so far but I don't think you should crucify me for having 2 out of 30 correct reads. I've seen you and Palmar play a lot, I'm very sure I know what you guys look like as town.
Anyway I'm gonna present a case tomorrow. Who it'll be I don't know because like I said earlier, I don't have very strong reads this game. I ask that the next person who says "Yeah I'd be down to kill MZ" actually read my filter and not sheep marv's stale case. My filter's really short, it shouldn't be that hard. Just ask yourself, am I actually pushing a scum agenda? Am I actively disrupting the town? Am I shitting up the thread? Am I avoiding people?
I would guess probably 75% of the people calling for my lynch probably haven't read my filter. I have definitely read your filter. So let me ask you a question. With BC and marv both being town, what the fuck kind of agenda would scum have needed to push? They were free to sit back and do whatever. Which is what a lot of your filter feels like. You didn't really care if Palmar was getting lynched, or marv, or who. You just went along with the major bandwagons.
Which is basically a summarization of marv's case and the reason he would be a good lynch.
I'm continuing on my streak of asking this question to people!
Keir: What do you think of Sentinel and my case on him?
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On January 06 2013 04:55 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 04:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
Lazer, reading comprehension, acquire some wait, what did I miss?
The sentence before the one you enlarged clearly states he's not afraid to die except from a vigi shot.
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On January 06 2013 04:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 04:43 Keirathi wrote:On January 06 2013 04:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
supersoft don't compare my play this game with bureaucracy, I was the mafia traitor that game and so my play was really wonky. Also it really doesn't make sense that you wanna kill me because I have two correct town reads. I know I'm not playing a good game so far but I don't think you should crucify me for having 2 out of 30 correct reads. I've seen you and Palmar play a lot, I'm very sure I know what you guys look like as town.
Anyway I'm gonna present a case tomorrow. Who it'll be I don't know because like I said earlier, I don't have very strong reads this game. I ask that the next person who says "Yeah I'd be down to kill MZ" actually read my filter and not sheep marv's stale case. My filter's really short, it shouldn't be that hard. Just ask yourself, am I actually pushing a scum agenda? Am I actively disrupting the town? Am I shitting up the thread? Am I avoiding people?
I would guess probably 75% of the people calling for my lynch probably haven't read my filter. I have definitely read your filter. So let me ask you a question. With BC and marv both being town, what the fuck kind of agenda would scum have needed to push? They were free to sit back and do whatever. Which is what a lot of your filter feels like. You didn't really care if Palmar was getting lynched, or marv, or who. You just went along with the major bandwagons. I thought Palmar was town for the beginning and then changed my mind when I thought he was gonna try and hide in plain sight. But he pulled his shit together which meant I wasn't gonna lynch him. Especially given Marv's flip, I'm still a little uncertain but at this point I'm pretty sure he's town. As for Marv, I'm really glad he's dead. He's literally the reason why town hasn't done shit. His spamming and dickishness was getting us nowhere and making the thread a nightmare to read. When I find a target who I'm sure is scum then I'll push them hard. But in d1, with the amount of spam in the thread and the fact that I didn't have a stronger read than Palmar's case on marv, I was willing to go along. Now had I been active when the whole BC bullshit got started I'd have certainly come out strongly against that but that's all after the fact now and I can't use that to show my innocence.
Not only would defending bc in that situation have made you look bad, not good, the fact that you even consider a hypothetical of how it would have made you look betrays a scum mindset.
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On January 06 2013 05:03 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 04:57 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 06 2013 04:55 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 06 2013 04:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
Lazer, reading comprehension, acquire some wait, what did I miss? The sentence before the one you enlarged clearly states he's not afraid to die except from a vigi shot. It's not my point. He said he was the BIGGEST lynch canidate for tomorrow. Why would someone of town say something like this...? Especially since its quite clear to anyone reading the thread that he in fact is NOT the biggest canidate right now. Scum is afraid to die you know. Town is not.
Eh, yes you're right. Here's how I read it:
"I'm not afraid to die to anything but a vig" + "I'm the primary candidate" = "If I die at all I'll die to a vig"
I wasn't thinking that he was talking in the confines of the night cycle when it came to dying, so it didn't click. Apologies.
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On January 06 2013 05:54 Palmar wrote:
I can't be around at daystart
If I get shot don't lynch marv. I absolutely despise the ragequit thing, but I don't think he's an asshole so I guess he's town.
No problem hun
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On January 06 2013 06:04 Keirathi wrote:Right. But we at least know he was reading the thread until well past when I joined the game. Even if he read up to the ragequit and then had to leave and never saw the modkill, he should still know I replaced Adam.
Yeah, I'm just letting him know.
Pretty sure he did read that you got replaced and simply forgot though, I did for a little bit at the start of n1. Like you and adam were seperate players in my head for a while. Comes with a 30 player game I guess.
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I don't think you should be measuring how well you're doing based on how suspicious you are to others, unless ofcourse you're scum. I'll take a look at prome tomorrow though, right now I'm just gonna watch some speedruns and go to bed after the flips.
Please post more like this, Sentinel.
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I'm guessing they'll kill 3 people right before the deadline to mess with lynch and effectively kill 6 townies during night.
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On January 06 2013 07:11 Toadesstern wrote:I really thought you have to sac the KP preemptively.. As in:-> Mafia shoots 3 guys n1, -> Mafia sacs 3KP on d2 -> Mafia shoots 3 guys on d2 -> Mafia shoots 0 guys during n2 because they sacced all their KP for the day. The way it is now they can basicly hold back 3KP and shoot 6 guys 
The way you describe they could kill 3 people the first minute of the game.
Although both are kind of dumb.
Back tomorrow guys, if they don't use the dayvigs early we'll have to have a 4/5 vote buffer between primary and secondary lynch targets, holy shit.
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On January 06 2013 07:15 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 07:06 Hopeless1der wrote:
1KP:
Day Vigilante (Need to pick a member to get the role during the day during the night. Then he pms the host and kill is executed as fast as host sees it.)
No where there does it say you must post in thread. Certainly plausible, and also completely fucking imbalanced because it evades all night actions I think. What night actions does it evade? There are no town roleblockers, watchers, trackers, etc.
Medics.
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I guess it has to do with the fact that 3 town cops died, if cops still existed it is riskier to not use straight up nks, I guess..... I dunno
Actually going to bed now.
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On January 06 2013 07:26 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote:
I guess it has to do with the fact that 3 town cops died, if cops still existed it is riskier to not use straight up nks, I guess..... I dunno
Actually going to bed now. How is it riskier if cops are still alive? It says that mafia day vigs PM the host and the host executes the kill. Very unlikely that said person would actually claim said kill, since the OP also says all town powers are night powers except Mason.
Cause if cops get a red check, claim it in thread then killing them won't help you
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I am a 100% in favor of lynching jackal next cycle, and focusing this cycle on scumhunting and lynching someone else.
If Palmar comes back and makes a case on me, I see no alternative than him being scum.
I've thought him town ever since the log/reads posts, despite the bad marv lynch, but if he follows it up by going after another townie I just can't..... rectify it in my brain, idunno.
To everyone saying "they'll dayvig two more people today" please keep in mind that iamp claimed to get shot and saved, I have a hard time seeing this shot be from town and I have an even harder time seeing iamp lying (hes totes town) so please keep in mind that scum should have only one shot left if it is in fact a dayvig.
With this in mind:
On January 06 2013 09:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I don't get what mafia would stand to gain by shooting WBG today instead of shooting 3 others and taking care of him at night. He had a one-time power, and this way there would be questioning if WBG is really the cop or if he is scum.
I find it hard to see mafia either making this mistake by accident, or making it on purpose to seem like town. Therefore Sentinel is town. Despite my case on him I quite liked his defense, in combination with this it clears him in my book.
MZ is an obvious target for everyone but there has been no resistance to it, much like the marv and bc lynches, so it's putting me a little on edge and I'll be spending today trying to find alternatives (although I generally do this anyway even when happy with the main lynch target)
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