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Myself vs. Djoref
Not entirely concerned about this matchup because 1. I'm town and 2. I don't want Djoref to be champion either. He's been quite open with his thoughts and a way that seems quite genuine.
Sandroba vs. Kush
I have a strong feeling that sandroba is town, which unfortunately is a feeling that is 75% meta and only 25% in thread. Sandroba is one of those super strong town players who is comparatively abysmal as a mafia player. When he's mafia, his lack of effort and interest becomes abundantly clear very quickly, sort of like Palmar but even moreso, IMO. Therefore, when he plays mafia I find that he runs active disruption to try and make as much chaos as possible until he inevitably gets shot/lynched.
His posts have been been both interested in setup discussion (a common sandroba town tell) and reasonable tempered, compared to how belligerent he can be. I do not want sandroba killed today, but if his activity/interest/track record take a nose dive he should be murdered. Quote me on this if sandroba begins derping.
Kush is a tough read for me and I'm pretty much null on him, but I don't want sandroba to advance.
ON vs. HiroPro
Already put words on this, ON is advancing easily so no need to vote.
1der vs. thrawn
Same story.
@prplhz, why are you not talking at all? You have a free pass where you don't have to prove your innocence, which you are taking quite happily. This is disconcerting, to say the least.
##Vote kushm4ster x2
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On October 12 2012 02:40 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 01:05 EchelonTee wrote:Catching up now. On October 11 2012 06:15 prplhz wrote:On October 11 2012 05:20 thrawn2112 wrote:Gonna throw out a vote for prplhz because out of prplhz and kush, kush has contributed more and has shared way more of his thoughts. Also this post struck me as weird: On October 10 2012 20:02 prplhz wrote:
Big plans almost always fail but it's often a pretty good idea to talk about them anyway.
Is EchelonTee trying to vote for Hopeless1der?
I like Djodref's posting and I don't like da0ud's posting. Well, as much as you can like and dislike stuff 2 pages into the game. In any case I'm going to vote for da0ud right now. He's only gonna get one vote from me (for now) because that's enough to put him in next round.
da0ud x1 He asks that question about ET... it looks like he asking a question in order to cast some suspicion on ET but he doesn't say why he thinks ET's vote was suspicious. And as for his vote for da0ud, he spends more time giving justifications for the vote than reasons why he's suspicious of da0ud. I was confused about what EchelonTee was trying because it wasn't in regular voting format and I hadn't seen the explanation of the non-standard vote formatting. I have no idea how to respond to the rest because it's crazy talking. You are interpreting a simple question as an evil scum plan of manipulation. Also, I wanted to ask you about kushm4sta because it seemed that you had a pretty good read on him in that last newbie game he just played. On October 11 2012 00:35 EchelonTee wrote:
This game is going to be fun, heh.
Hopeless1der x1
Djodref x1
What's going to be fun about this game? This sounds constructed to me so I'd like you to explain what you meant. 1der and Djodref both look scummy to me, but they are in opposition; namely at the time, Djodref voted for 1der. Since Djodref really does not seem like the bussing type, it's unlikely both are scum in my eyes. Game will be fun because it seems that scum is running good interference. Also, it just seems fun because we have good activity from good players. Care to explain the bolded part?
Uh I just did right there? When there is suspicion on two parties and we assume that at least one is town, then it means that mafia are pushing a townie successfully?
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I can't guarantee that I will be around for deadline, but I will stop by thread at least once more before then.
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On October 12 2012 02:47 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 02:45 EchelonTee wrote:On October 12 2012 02:40 prplhz wrote:On October 12 2012 01:05 EchelonTee wrote:Catching up now. On October 11 2012 06:15 prplhz wrote:On October 11 2012 05:20 thrawn2112 wrote:Gonna throw out a vote for prplhz because out of prplhz and kush, kush has contributed more and has shared way more of his thoughts. Also this post struck me as weird: On October 10 2012 20:02 prplhz wrote:
Big plans almost always fail but it's often a pretty good idea to talk about them anyway.
Is EchelonTee trying to vote for Hopeless1der?
I like Djodref's posting and I don't like da0ud's posting. Well, as much as you can like and dislike stuff 2 pages into the game. In any case I'm going to vote for da0ud right now. He's only gonna get one vote from me (for now) because that's enough to put him in next round.
da0ud x1 He asks that question about ET... it looks like he asking a question in order to cast some suspicion on ET but he doesn't say why he thinks ET's vote was suspicious. And as for his vote for da0ud, he spends more time giving justifications for the vote than reasons why he's suspicious of da0ud. I was confused about what EchelonTee was trying because it wasn't in regular voting format and I hadn't seen the explanation of the non-standard vote formatting. I have no idea how to respond to the rest because it's crazy talking. You are interpreting a simple question as an evil scum plan of manipulation. Also, I wanted to ask you about kushm4sta because it seemed that you had a pretty good read on him in that last newbie game he just played. On October 11 2012 00:35 EchelonTee wrote:
This game is going to be fun, heh.
Hopeless1der x1
Djodref x1
What's going to be fun about this game? This sounds constructed to me so I'd like you to explain what you meant. 1der and Djodref both look scummy to me, but they are in opposition; namely at the time, Djodref voted for 1der. Since Djodref really does not seem like the bussing type, it's unlikely both are scum in my eyes. Game will be fun because it seems that scum is running good interference. Also, it just seems fun because we have good activity from good players. Care to explain the bolded part? Uh I just did right there? When there is suspicion on two parties and we assume that at least one is town, then it means that mafia are pushing a townie successfully? I'm still not totally clear. You are saying that either djodref or daoud are scum and mafia is pushing which ever is town?
1. I was talking about 1der and djodref in that post, not da0ud.
2. I am not assuming that one of djodref/1der has to be scum; I am assuming that at least one is town.
3. If one of them is town, then that means town is in some way being lead in the wrong direction by scum.
3b. In any game ever, a good scum team will run disruption. Since this game isn't running like a whistle, it's clear scum are doing something.
inb4 he's fearmongering
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Getting lunch and going to classes. Apparently I have to announce my absences or else I'm "lurking away".
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On October 11 2012 20:49 sandroba wrote:
Yes I'm was not explaining anything because nothing was solid yet. I rather let people talk then to post a ton. da0ud and thrawn are flooding the thread a lot, so I'm pretty pleased with how it turned out, even if he didn't make it through. That is because I would expect him to post way less had him gotten a pass as scum.
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Bleh, didn't get in before deadline. Votes went how I wanted them though. Catching up now.
As austin said, TL LVI is a pretty terrible example because I stopped playing D2, while my D1 was just me being a dumbass.
Scum Games and Town Games if you're interested in reading my past.
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[QUOTE]On October 12 2012 04:05 prplhz wrote:
@EchelonTee So sandroba kept up his appearance for the first couple of hours and since then he's had a "hunch" post and one measly contribution. Do you really think this looks like townie sandroba? Last sandroba townie game I remember was Space Station where he ruled the town with an iron fist and nailed like 5 out of 6 scum in the first two days. Fucking ridiculous. I don't think that this looks like townie sandroba at all. QUOTE]
No, he doesn't like look like townie sandroba at time of your post (reading from p15). Might need to eat my words on him.
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On October 12 2012 04:05 prplhz wrote:
@EchelonTee So sandroba kept up his appearance for the first couple of hours and since then he's had a "hunch" post and one measly contribution. Do you really think this looks like townie sandroba? Last sandroba townie game I remember was Space Station where he ruled the town with an iron fist and nailed like 5 out of 6 scum in the first two days. Fucking ridiculous. I don't think that this looks like townie sandroba at all.
No, he doesn't like look like townie sandroba at time of your post (reading from p15). Might need to eat my words on him.
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On October 12 2012 04:37 Mementoss wrote:4. ET: Everything about his filter makes me think hes mafia. But maybe Im just reading him completely wrong. He dismisses any comments towards him at all times, hard defends sandroba twice, without real reason or logic to, and is being very sarcastic in the says things to the fact to not get called out on them later. + Show Spoiler +On October 12 2012 02:45 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 02:40 prplhz wrote:On October 12 2012 01:05 EchelonTee wrote:Catching up now. On October 11 2012 06:15 prplhz wrote:On October 11 2012 05:20 thrawn2112 wrote:Gonna throw out a vote for prplhz because out of prplhz and kush, kush has contributed more and has shared way more of his thoughts. Also this post struck me as weird: On October 10 2012 20:02 prplhz wrote:
Big plans almost always fail but it's often a pretty good idea to talk about them anyway.
Is EchelonTee trying to vote for Hopeless1der?
I like Djodref's posting and I don't like da0ud's posting. Well, as much as you can like and dislike stuff 2 pages into the game. In any case I'm going to vote for da0ud right now. He's only gonna get one vote from me (for now) because that's enough to put him in next round.
da0ud x1 He asks that question about ET... it looks like he asking a question in order to cast some suspicion on ET but he doesn't say why he thinks ET's vote was suspicious. And as for his vote for da0ud, he spends more time giving justifications for the vote than reasons why he's suspicious of da0ud. I was confused about what EchelonTee was trying because it wasn't in regular voting format and I hadn't seen the explanation of the non-standard vote formatting. I have no idea how to respond to the rest because it's crazy talking. You are interpreting a simple question as an evil scum plan of manipulation. Also, I wanted to ask you about kushm4sta because it seemed that you had a pretty good read on him in that last newbie game he just played. On October 11 2012 00:35 EchelonTee wrote:
This game is going to be fun, heh.
Hopeless1der x1
Djodref x1
What's going to be fun about this game? This sounds constructed to me so I'd like you to explain what you meant. 1der and Djodref both look scummy to me, but they are in opposition; namely at the time, Djodref voted for 1der. Since Djodref really does not seem like the bussing type, it's unlikely both are scum in my eyes. Game will be fun because it seems that scum is running good interference. Also, it just seems fun because we have good activity from good players. Care to explain the bolded part? Uh I just did right there? When there is suspicion on two parties and we assume that at least one is town, then it means that mafia are pushing a townie successfully? On October 12 2012 02:53 EchelonTee wrote:
Getting lunch and going to classes. Apparently I have to announce my absences or else I'm "lurking away". His posting is pushing a bad town atmosphere and that is scum agenda. As well as some lines in his posts just seem off, like prplhz pointed out. I think hes scummy but I'm not entirely sure this could just be his meta. Im going to put a vote on him.
How exactly are those posts promoting bad town atmosphere? The first one was an explanation post to prplhz; I'm trying to make my words clear. The second one I admit is negative, but that's because I take offense at being called a lurker, by a lurker. You say that I am being dismissive towards comments on me because I address them and turn them away. What would you like me to do instead? I have been snippy I admit, but you calling me scummy for directly confronting accusations is a bit unreasonable.
However, I can tone down my language as I've been promoting a bad atmosphere. Never my intention.
The majority of your suspicion seems to be centered around my negativity and my association with sandroba. The former I can address, and the latter is uncertain. We have no idea of sandroba is town or scum. I had an early town tell on sandroba because his ideas lined up with mine; this is what I always do to try and figure out towniness. If I find myself coming to the same conclusion as someone independently, then I feel more comfortable with that player.
I might be wrong on sandroba, but I am far more comfortable leaving him for a Day 2 read. However, it's simply not right for people to say "EchelonTee supports sandroba. Since I think sandroba is scum, EchelonTee is also scum". That's making an associative tell before full information is available. Will I get a ton of heat if sandroba flips scum? Yes, and I'd deserve it for making a wrong read. But since we don't have that information yet, I'd appreciate it if people laid off.
Condemn me if you see deception in my words, but not for simply stating my opinion on things. I'm trying to make it as open as possible why I had a town tell on sandroba, and that I should be held accountable if he flips scum.
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On October 12 2012 05:17 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 04:05 prplhz wrote:
@EchelonTee So sandroba kept up his appearance for the first couple of hours and since then he's had a "hunch" post and one measly contribution. Do you really think this looks like townie sandroba? Last sandroba townie game I remember was Space Station where he ruled the town with an iron fist and nailed like 5 out of 6 scum in the first two days. Fucking ridiculous. I don't think that this looks like townie sandroba at all. When sandroba is town he can do magic but there's none of that right now. This is day1 and that always makes me a little weary of lynching a player of sandroba's caliber but it's a 96 hour day so I have no problems putting a little pressure on him. Right now I have no problems with him advancing over kushm4sta, I actually prefer that since kushm4sta is showing a lot more interest in this game. That's pretty ridiculous comment prpl. And I known for my manners or my detailed explanation of my actions? No. Have there been any flips so far? No. Look at the cases people posted, which is the strongest? Definetely the case on ON. How can you ever say that I'm not trying to get scum lynched or that my play has been uninspired? You can't.
Do you still think prplhz is scum?
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On October 12 2012 08:07 kushm4sta wrote:
ET. He has been posting plenty but it's mostly defensive. There is a real lack of scumhunt to his play, especially for someone of his reputation.
Me analyzing and scumhunting.
I have been addressing nearly every matchup; I disagree that there is a lack of scumhunt.
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WTF, 1der ninja unvoted and we haven't been making a big hullabaloo about it?
???
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On October 12 2012 18:06 da0ud wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Trying to get some reads/assocation of people from previous votes.
1) Only ET has been twice voting for someone he would face in the next round. Djo in the first round when he had a BYE and kush in second. If he was a scum, I would them believe Djo and kush are not. Because at first glance it doesnt seem logic to vote for your mate so that one of you for sure would advance to the next round. He is the only one who has ever voted on the next potential opponent.
2) on Mementoss : he seems to be throwing away votes on as many people as possible and of oppisite logic. Already voted for 4 people which is the most of all of us. First round he votes for Djo and kush to make them move to the next round on their respective matches. But when they move on he decides to now vote on none of them but even worse voting for their opponents in the matchups hence actually totally changing his mind on them and now backing them up. Should have voted again for them to follow his initial logic.
3) Austin looks too unconcerned after being saved on the first round, He hasn't voted anyone in the second round. Looks to me more like a scum who now hides to get us to forget about him. To me a townie, even saved should continue to be implicated in the votes in order to gather as much information as possible on other players.
Please let me know your thoughts....
1.) I don't disagree with your logic, but an example like that shouldn't be a hard association. Remember those were early rounds; a scum putting votes on his buddies in those rounds allows him to distance himself from them (a good scum tactic) while not endangering them too much.
2.) I disagree; people can change their mind as the game develops, and Mementoss has been fairly open, and clearly posted why he changed his logic.
3.) I think the fact that Austin didn't vote in the 2nd round is a bit strange. Not a huge tell, but IMO townies should be involved in at least a few of the matchups per round, for the reason you stated.
On October 12 2012 16:59 da0ud wrote:
H1 vs ON :
It bothers me as well that ON doesnt seem to care very much and has posted only a few messages. Most of them being useless (like his phone being dead for 24hrs, the panic votes). Since then nothing has been posted and I agree that it seems odd for someone from town not to participate in the lynching process as it is its only real way of finding scum. 1. I would expect even more a townie to participate if he is still on for lynching.
It makes sense for mafia not to worry about advancing if his accomplices do manage to save him at any future round.
H1 posts seems pretty coherent i am maybe too newbie to have a good read out of it. 2. I haven't played no game with any of you in the past, and i actually don't really want to because i want to make myself an opinion out of your posts and not ur behaviour in other games.
This post is pretty strange from you. You spent a fairly long post (listed above) detailing your opinions on 3 players, in an organized listed manner. But when it comes to 1der vs ON, a matchup that actually is in play right now, you are much more unclear and hesitant.
1. This point doesn't really hold; you say that a townie who is still in the running for a lynch would probably be more active, which is true. But a scum who is up for lynch would also probably be more active, compared to if he wasn't up for lynch. While I have my own reasons for being suspicious of ON, your logic here is a lot less laid out then your previous points.
2. It's not ok to put down an opinion, then say "well I'm not so sure because I'm a newbie". It seems like you're trying to shy away from responsibility for your actions. Especially because you are more assertive in other posts.
If you could make a more definitive stance on 1der/ON, that would be nice.
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On October 13 2012 00:21 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 23:56 EchelonTee wrote:
WTF, 1der ninja unvoted and we haven't been making a big hullabaloo about it?
??? Just woke up. I'm too scummy, so no one wants to touch me with a 10 foot pole. Going to explain why I'm voting sandroba shortly, then address djodref's case on me. I'll also start going through the rest of the playerbase and lay out my thoughts and suspicions more clearly (i.e. at all). Do you need me to re-visit my unvote explanation ET?
No. You unvoted to preserve votes, but the manner in which you did it is shady. If you don't enjoy policy lynches, you shouldn't pull stunts like that.
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What are the modkill/replace rules for this round? OriginalName is not playing at this point.
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On October 12 2012 20:50 Djodref wrote:
yeah, I'm assuming that I'm not going to be able to use my votes the next round...
Why do you assume that you're advancing over sandroba?
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I think he's saying that he did a gambit. Deliberately making himself scum to try and attract a case on him?
The issue I have with this is that this says nothing about djodref's alignment. You say that because he say scumminess in you, he must be townie. Do you not understand that both town and scum want to make cases on scummy people? Towns people want to kill scum, while scum want to kill bad townies who make themselves look scummy. Like you.
You basically ensured your demise to get >>1<< town read. You haven't thought this through.
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The more I think about this the more it doesn't make sense.
What would you have done if I had put a big fat case on you? I've had my eye on you for ages; maybe if you had advanced me instead I would've done that case. What that make me townie?
What you yourself acknowledge is that you look scummy and that you have played bad; how the hell are we supposed to know if you're town? Usually I lynch scummy people because by definition of the adjective, they are most likely to be scum.
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Could you explain in 1 or 2 lines what was the goal of your gambit?
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