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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
October 18 2012 05:43 GMT
#1425
kush I'm gonna ignore you so that I don't end up wasting my time. I have no reason to get into a pissing contest with you right now, there's no way I'm being lynched D3. I'm not gonna let you tell me to stop scumhunting

inb4 omg thrawn scum
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
October 18 2012 06:00 GMT
#1427
Right now, a lot of my thoughts on the game hinge on my read on Austin, and my read on Austin mostly hinges on his vote sharing D1. For reference, here are the problems I have with it:

On October 17 2012 15:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
As for austin.... bleh. I've played 1 game with him (town austin) and I've obsed a couple of his town games and he just seemed so much more straightforward and useful than he's being in this game. His word count is still really high but his post just seem way fluffier than what I'd come to expect from him. Also I still can't get over the vote sharing thing from D1. I can not understand how any town player would do that.... first of all that means that you don't trust your own judgement which I don't think that'd be the case with a town austin, and it also means that you have almost confirmed town reads in the people you're giving the votes to. He did it on D1... could he really have been so sure that kush and I were town at that point? Also, at the time he made the offer I believe kush was strongly in favor of lynching sandroba, and I was on the fence but I'd been the main person pushing sand's case all game. I am not convinced that town austin would have shared votes like that.


And here's his justification for doing it:

On October 18 2012 03:32 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 03:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
austin tell me about your vote sharing at the beginning... just go into detail about exactly why you decided to do it

I had a bunch of votes left. I wanted to get the most out of them that I could. Just putting them on a candidate is nice, but I wanted to DO something with them, make them work for town. I figured sharing them is one way to draw more thoughts/reads out, and to see how people use them.

So, I want to give some votes away, and I want to do it in a way that gets information. I'll give out votes in exchange for reads. A town read, a scum read. That's a nice balance, and if I give any votes to scum it forces them to call someone townie, which is kind of nice. D1, as part of this weird system, I don't expect scum to call a scumbuddy townie, because they don't know wtf I'm doing. I figure they'll be less likely to try to manipulate what I'm doing, more likely to have to give some real reads for fear I'm up to something.

But I still don't want to give votes to scum. So I need some kind of criteria to determine who I want votes from. Best way to not give votes to scum (from the information I had)? Give em to townreads. You seemed townie, and had been relatively vocal on some players, but you were pretty caught up in the people actually in R3 and R4. By giving votes to you, I forced you to look at a broader scope of players, at the whole game, and make some reads on players who were already safe.

kush both looked relatively townie to me and...I want to encourage good posting. I much prefer Looney Lynching kush to Liquid City kush. In part, I gave votes to him to encourage the change in posting. Call it promoting a readable thread, call it promoting a good town atmosphere, whatever. kush was also mostly concerned with R3 and R4, so again, I wanted people to look beyond those rounds and de-theme the game, play like it were more normal and everyone was at play.


So I both was trying to get two town reads to look at the broader game, to not limit themselves to just R3 and R4 players (no way did all of our scum make it that far). And I wanted to see what your reads would be AND what you'd do with the votes.

That felt like a much better use of my votes than dropping them ALL on a single player, when it was lurker vs. maybe-town-sandroba-who-isn't-doing-much. Neither person was super scummy to me, like I said. So I'd rather make my votes work for town in a different way.


Anyone want to weigh in on the vote sharing?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
October 18 2012 06:09 GMT
#1429
I don't have too much of an issue with the actual reasons he gave for wanting to share his "extra votes," I'm just kinda amazed that any town player would have "extra votes" in the first place.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
October 18 2012 07:31 GMT
#1433
I don't want da0 lynched, and I want to know his thoughts on who he wants to lynch before coming to any further conclusions about him. Out of all the people who might be lynched, my gut instinct tells me he's the one who's probably the most likely to be a mislynch.

I don't want VE lynched, for reasons stated here:

On October 18 2012 13:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
no I don't want to lynch him because I don't like lynching replacements, especially when the replace in with like 24 hours left till lynch.

As for your case, I don't think the "not giving potato to prplhz" is a good argument. Reading through his filter at that time it really looked like he had good reasons for not doing so. (He planned on giving prplhz the potato right before the 24 hour mark) Other than that the main stuff everyone (including me) has been citing as suspicious behavior was his lurking... well when he gets a replacement that makes me think he has legitimate real life reasons for his low activity. That does not point to townie or scummy... it just means he didn't have enough time to properly play the game so I can't make any judgement calls based on the fact that he was a lurker. Other than that, the posts he did make were well reasoned etc so I don't see anything damming enough to lynch his replacement. At this point my read on hiro is basically null and it's all going to be based off my read on VE from now on.


I don't want hopeless lynched. Based on the logic case about ON vs hopeless, I think hopeless is town. A tldr summary of that case is here:

On October 17 2012 21:02 thrawn2112 wrote:
that's very interesting i'm going to read through the ON vs hopeless stuff

so correct me if i'm getting this wrong but the logic works out to be like this:

ON is scum. Sand is town. Scum don't want a scum in the finals. That;s why hopleess was originally set to advance instead of ON. We know this because it was ET who pushed ON into the finals, and ET is town. If hopeless and ON were both scum, then scum should have been bussing ON because he would have been the less detrimental loss. It would have made no sense for scum to push a scum hopeless into finals rather than a scum ON.

Therefore the scum plan was to move hopeless (who is town) into the finals?


I don't want kush lynched. I'd be quite surprised if he's scum.... both for his hammering of ON and for what I see as an almost identical match between his play this game his town meta.

That leaves me with mementoss, djodref, and austin.

My instincts all game minus D1 have been telling me that austin is scum... there's just something about the general tone and usefulness of his posts that seems different from the town austin I'm familiar with.

Austin's case against mementoss is quite good. However recently mementoss has been townie as hell. I'd like to see more discussion about djo because recently there's been several things pointed out about him, and we've basically been ignoring him all game.

In summary I'll be voting for one of the 3 above mentioned players, not sure which yet. I want to lynch memtoss the least out of those 3, and the choice between austin/djo mostly depends on what conclusion I come to about austin's vote sharing because that is a HUGE issue for me.

Updated lynch list will prob look something like:

1 Djodref/austin
3 mementoss
4 hiro/ve
5 kushm4sta
6 da0ud
7 hopeless1der
8 thrawn

If any of my town reads are going to be lynched I'm going to move myself up higher just so I can move them lower. When making these lists, it's going to be very important in how we rank everybody so we don't accidentally lynch someone we have no intentions of lynching.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
October 18 2012 07:32 GMT
#1434
djo you say VE is a good compromise... expand on that.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
October 18 2012 07:38 GMT
#1435
oh nvm it wasn't serious

but please tell me why you want to lynch a replacement. the fact that hiro was lurking and got replaced strongly suggests that regardless of his alignment, he truly did not have time to play the game and so his lurking was due to real life issues, and not anything game related. I don't see how you can have anything but a null read on him
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
October 18 2012 09:51 GMT
#1441
da0 say some more stuff about who you want to lynch
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
October 18 2012 10:58 GMT
#1443
yeah that's what I got off of it. reminds me of kush's first game

I think he's a mislynch and I advise other people who don't want him lynched to put him as far down in your list as need be.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
October 18 2012 11:11 GMT
#1444
Ok here are some things I want to see before lynch

Austin talking more about mementoss

VE talking more about austin

mementoss talking about why he backed down off of austin's case, and if he still wants to lynch da0/djo
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
October 18 2012 11:25 GMT
#1445
kush if you think da0 is town, and he's very likely to be lynched based on the current votecount, then why the hell do you have him at #3?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
October 18 2012 11:52 GMT
#1448
I was going through filters and this post caught my eye:

On October 14 2012 01:03 Mementoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 00:53 kushm4sta wrote:
MEMENTOSS hypothetically ON could be replaced right? Wouldn't that solve the problem?


Yeah it would, but the hosts don't seem to keen on it so Im not sure.


This post, regardless of his alignment, tells us that mementoss was of the opinion that ON is not going to be replaced. In other words, mementoss thought that ON was going to be modkilled. Why as town, would you want to vote for somebody who is going to be modkilled? It serves no purpose, unless you think the opposing candidate is town... which mementoss didn't. So it makes absolutely no sense for town mementoss to vote for ON, if he thinks that Sand is scummy (which he did) and if he thinks ON will be modkilled. Why would scum mementoss want to vote for ON, who he thinks is going to be modkilled? To gain towncred after the flip.

Mementoss actually gives a close description of what I'm talking about here:

On October 15 2012 20:48 Mementoss wrote:
Also, I'm gunna try to shy away from the connection cases with ON. Simply for the fact that ON was the perfect bus target. He was useless, and inactive so was guaranteed to get lynched eventually and gave easy town credibility on any one voting him. It also gives scum a chance who voted him, to shift the attention off themselves by using oh he voted for ON not to move on in this matchup, SCUM SCUM. So yeah, I'll take it into account when reading filters, but I think ON was probably bussed.


Here's a recap of what I'm trying to say:

Mementoss though sandroba was scummy. Mementoss thought ON was a null read. Mementoss thought ON was going to be modkilled. Mementoss votes for the null read who he thinks will be modkilled, instead of using his vote on the guy he thought was scummy?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
October 18 2012 12:01 GMT
#1450
that's just my read of your thoughts behind that post. and I don't see how "not replaced" doesn't equal "modkilled"

so wtf else would have been possible
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
October 18 2012 12:13 GMT
#1454
On October 18 2012 21:03 kushm4sta wrote:
@thrawn really good job improving your scum play since I called you out on it BTW


If you're going to admit to ignoring everything I say then you may as well claim scum... you can't possibly be 100% convinced that I'm scum so either go ahead and claim scum or stop acting like scum kush.

+ Show Spoiler +
And yes your post did serve as a wake up call. I've had kinda a shitty game and I haven't been taking it too seriously, especially after the D1 flip. I think yesterday or so was the first time I've been truly sober since the game's started.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
October 18 2012 12:23 GMT
#1456
When I said I'm going to ignore you I was talking about your case against me.. I see no reason to bother myself with it. Oh and the passive aggressive name dropping shit is annoying too but no reason to comment on that either.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
October 18 2012 12:38 GMT
#1458
just go through your recent filter using ctrl f "thrawn" and you'll see what I'm talking about... it's full of passive aggressive accusations
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
October 18 2012 12:58 GMT
#1459
kush talk about your #1 austin pick plz
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
October 18 2012 13:19 GMT
#1462
time for an austin question

mementoss, pretend that you are an outside observer of this game. pretend that you think mementoss is confirmed scum. who do you think his scum buddy would be?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
October 18 2012 13:37 GMT
#1464
Austin what are your thoughts about the possibility of a mementoss/hiro scumteam? When I look at the final brackets and color in who I am sure of as town, after looking at it those are just the two names that jump out at me.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
October 18 2012 13:45 GMT
#1466
wait you think mementoss is town now? did I miss something?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
October 18 2012 13:52 GMT
#1469
Oh and you're saying it's useless but it rubs everyone the wrong way the longer you continue not making a list. Same stuff with your D1 "I'm only gonna use one vote till the finals then give away the majority of my votes."
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
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