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Keirathi
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I 99% believe that Kush was town. Either he got framed, or you're pulling a gambit. Also, I don't believe that scum have an ability to give up KP AFTER a flip to change the flip. MAYBE they have an ability to change the NEXT flip, but afaik there's no precedent for scum having a power they can use in the day, THEN give up KP the next night. | ||
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Keirathi
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On October 13 2012 16:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Kei think. In your theory, you're assuming that scum have the ability to change alignment of flips. Why? Because you brought it up. Never have I seen a role like that, outside of Janitor. The fact that you were so obsessed with it leads me to believe that you KNEW that that role existed. No townie would ever see Kush flip town after a red check and assume that scum had an ability to change the flip. The logical assumption is that he was framed, but you spent a ton of time arguing otherwise. | ||
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Keirathi
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On October 13 2012 16:07 VisceraEyes wrote: The name of the role was CORONER. I mean - what do you THINK that means? Obviously the roles aren't exactly what they seem in all cases, but COME ON. Mafia Coroner was the report. Dude flips something other than the report. Does that not seem like a logical thought progression to you? What would you think? Framed or flip shenannies right? I only brought it up because there were NO kills. Tell me why scum wouldn't kill man. Tell me HOW IT'S POSSIBLE that NONE of the anti-town KP got fired off tonight. Show me one game where scum have had a day power that they could use by giving up their KP for the NEXT night, and I'll shut up. I could buy that scum could give up their KP and then the next day they could use a power. I don't buy that they can use a power in the day and give up KP the next night. AFAIK there's just no precedent for that. | ||
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Keirathi
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At the same time, what about my perspective? I have no way of knowing if 1) kush could change his flip (I already stated many times that I don't believe kush was scum. I feel like I know marv pretty damn well, all things considered. I know how he thinks as scum, and I know he busses the fuck out of teammates who are a liability to him. Hell, even *YOU* should know that). 2) Kush was framed, or 3) You are lying. So, I've ruled out #1, which was your idea anyways. #2 feels like it SHOULD default be the right answer. I mean, #1 never even crossed my mind as a possibility. But there are just too many little things that point to #3. It all just...fits. And, even though I've convinced myself, I don't think there's a damn thing I can do about it. I will concede that there's a pretty good chance that I'm wrong and just overly paranoid. But damn if I can believe that myself. | ||
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Keirathi
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On October 13 2012 16:34 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't know. My brain is aching. Do the right thing Kei. Go take a look at the link I posted not long ago - probably within 2 or 3 pages of the end of my filter. It's Kreb as a townie in a Newbie game. There's a GIGANTIC difference in his play this game and his play in that game. Look at the way he reasons things out in the thread as town. Tell me that guy would just put blinders on and come at me as a townie. Whether I was framed or the flip was reversed, scum's plan was always going to be to discredit me and try and get me lynched. Independent of my read of Kreb or the fact that he's been pushing me all game, that's my analysis of the situation. There's no reason to fuck with my check unless scum wanted to bank on it somehow. So, if you believe that, why are you pleading with me who's been calling you a liar for the last 4-5 hours? Wouldn't I be part of that "trying to discredit you" crowd? | ||
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Keirathi
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I'll reread Kreb tomorrow. I remember the link you pasted. | ||
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Keirathi
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On October 14 2012 01:59 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't understand the point of this post. My point was that in the game I linked, Kreb is very obviously town...there's no question in reading the filter that it's a townie's filter. In this game, he's hiding behind tunneling me to avoid doing anything. In the game I posted he had 4 pages by N2 - in this game by the time I posted this, he had 5 pages by D4. It's like - it's terribly damning imo. You know damn well that neither of those things are damning. Townies tunnel people all the time. And shit, I had 15 pages of filter in Aperture as town. I only have...7? this game or something. I must be scum too! Why does everything you say feel like you are trying to get lynched? I know you're not this...dumb, for lack of a softer word...all of the time. | ||
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Keirathi
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On October 14 2012 04:07 Mattchew wrote: VE any thoughts on iamperf and my post on him? I disagree with you 99%. And yea, I was wrong about iamp in Aperture. But I was wrong based on him making 4 posts, not 7 pages of posts. Also, you're misrepresenting his "change of heart" on kush. He had been saying kush was town all game. Its pretty understandable that he hopped on the red check and then still had doubts, especially with the way kush was acting in crunch time. It was so different from every kush scum game. I want you to do a little research into iamp if you're so convinced. Read GSL 2 and Newbie XIX. Tell me if the iamperfection in this game feels like the scum iamperfection in those games. Because I just don't see it. | ||
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Keirathi
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On October 14 2012 04:31 Mattchew wrote: also, if someone links me to a newbie game (VE you did this too WTF) for a meta read you have got to be kidding. I would say anyone under like 7 - 10 games should never be lynched on meta because there is so much room to improve and change styles Did you even read them? No, I thought not. In GSL 2 (which just ended THIS WEE), I called out iamperfection (in obs qt) as soon as day 1 ended as scum, because his posting was almost exactly the same as his newbie scum game. Maybe he changed his playstyle in the last week, but I doubt it. He has a very distinctive town meta compared to scum. Anyone who cared at all could see that. | ||
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Keirathi
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If I ignore my conspiracy theory, then I still want to lynch DP. My earlier case combined with his reactions after the day post give me the feeling that he is scum. | ||
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Keirathi
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Although, no lie, I would be happy with a no lynch. Fucking VE has made me paranoid as hell. | ||
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Keirathi
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On October 14 2012 10:39 Coagulation wrote: what the fuck would a no lynch do for us. Where did the KP go? It had to go somewhere. If they had an ability they could trade KP for, then it would probably activate today. Although I guess it could be something like Delay too. I don't buy that mafia didn't send in kills or roleblock. | ||
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Keirathi
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I already said the people I would be eilling to vote for. I have 2 hours to make up my mind on if I want to change. | ||
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Keirathi
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On October 14 2012 10:53 iamperfection wrote: can you explain why you think a no lynch was a good idea. I already did. VE made me paranoid that scum had an ability that they could use to change the flip today. If we no-lynched, there wouldn't be a flip to change. But, I said that without reading the op again to see if it was even possible to vote no-lynch. | ||
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Keirathi
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On October 14 2012 10:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The only role in the game that could feasibly change a lynch flip was likely the coroner. Given that it is extremely unlikely scum had more then 1 of that role, I think we should be able to trust lynches at this point. Coroner hasn't flipped though? | ||
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Keirathi
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I don't give a fuck what VE's "check" was. Because Kush flipped town. We KNOW that something is wrong. There are too many unexplainable things, and no way to verify any of them. My gut tells me that Kush was town. He flipped town. So, from my perspective, either one of two things happened: 1) Kush was framed or 2) VE is lying. | ||
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Keirathi
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On October 14 2012 11:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote: If you believe VE at all (you seem to via you believe mafia has an ability that fucks with flips) then kush would have been said role and self used. The only reason anyone has ever thought that coroner could change a flip was because VE FUCKING SUGGESTED IT. In my experience, people only speculate about roles that they should have no fucking clue about when they actually have some information about said role. | ||
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Keirathi
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1) There was no KP last night 2) There were no roleblocks last night 3) Mementoss and VE are the only claimed blues (well, I guess BC too), yet neither of them were killed or RB'd 4) Through 4 nights, the only two people who have claimed RB are VE and Mementoss 5) What the fuck a detective is, if VE is a town Role Cop. 6) Kush flipping VT after a VE checked him as a Mafia Coroner Too many fucking "coincidences" | ||
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Keirathi
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So, you believe that mafia coroner can change flips, yes?. So, what if Private Investigator is a mafia role? Then the mafia coroner changes VE's flip to town Private Investigator if we lynch him today. That "confirms" Mementoss as town Medical Examiner (also, hint: go look up the definition for Medical Examiner vs Coroner). Anyways, I'm tired of fucking arguing this. Maybe I'm just super paranoid. If I end up being right, then I'm going to rage in the post game. Damnit, I don't even know what to do now. If I completely ignore the whole VE thing and take him at his word, then my biggest read before all that happened was DP. I still think my case has merit, especially when you throw in DP's reactions in the early part of the day. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16529041 ##Vote: DarthPunk | ||
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