EPTI don't want a bitchfight, I want people to think about his play critically, which is why i'm bringing this to the thread.
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marvellosity
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I don't want a bitchfight, I want people to think about his play critically, which is why i'm bringing this to the thread. | ||
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On September 21 2012 00:27 Zephirdd wrote: Ok let me give a bit of critical thinking. He was playing townie like up until a point in time. That was when he entered the thread, where he was sharing his reads. HiroPro made a good point on "town is a clusterfuck and he only threw new candidates" but I didn't think it mattered because Palmar is used to bring different stuff into the table, because he plays by himself a lot. I even would argue that it's normal for Palmar to be kinda bad on day 1 because that's how he lives past night 1 - or that was the case for some time at least, it's been a long time since I last played with him. However, if he does not step up his game drastically on day 2, I'm all into killing him. Day 2 is the day he shines. that's why I quoted that post from NMM3 earlier. Look at the explanations he gives for his reads. Actual paragraphs with thought out points on how things in the game have worked and related to each other. Look at how he can be held accountable for that post and how you can see his thought processes. Then look at the "lists" he creates when playing scum. Here's another: On June 13 2012 05:39 Palmar wrote: Can you stop textwalling? Radfield and Ace were much more fun. Also, in case I die, this is the list of town from towniest to scummiest. Radfield VisceraEyes Greymist Ace chaoser mrwiggles gonzaw BrownBear | ||
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On September 21 2012 01:32 Hapahauli wrote: I'll retract on Mementoss for now, and I think Bluelightz is worth taking a look at. Bluelightz has two substantial posts in his filter: Case on Mementoss ----> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=9#179 He states that Mementoss isn't contributing, then proceeds to quote like 10 of his posts. More importantly, this was all on day 1, where mementoss's activity levels were acceptable by any standard. Case on Prplzh ----> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=25#484 This is a really interesting case, because nowhere in the case does he say that Prplzh is "scummy" or is scum. He repeatedly mentions how certain aspects of prplzh's play upsets him ("ticks him off", yadda yadda), but it's not clear if he's even voting prplzh because he's scummy. It also seems somewhat of an "overkill" case. At that point in the game, prplzh was the clear leading vote candidate with plenty of cases out there against him. Making some gigantic summary post wanting to lynch prplzh is completely unnecessary and reads like an attempt to fake a contribution. In addition, he has zero interaction with his #1 scum read. Your point on Palmar's vote or lack thereof is really strong, Hapa. On BL: yes, it's easy to do analyses on BL going "wtf" but you need to be able to explain how it's different from how he normally plays town :/ | ||
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On September 21 2012 01:37 Hapahauli wrote: Well actually, you had that quote in Normal Mini III about Bluelightz meta - he's obsessed with town when he's town, and scum when he's scum. Now I know you were scum that game, but I'm curious if you think that read is accurate? Worth noting that Buelightz has no town reads this game. That would be the most compelling evidence, I think. Even in GSL he voted a 'null' read on Day 1 because everyone else seemed town. | ||
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On September 21 2012 01:37 marvellosity wrote: That would be the most compelling evidence, I think. Even in GSL he voted a 'null' read on Day 1 because everyone else seemed town. On the flip side to this (talking to myself here), Bluelightz backing down off Mementoss like that is a typical BL town thing to do. | ||
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On September 21 2012 01:51 Hapahauli wrote: Any examples? After looking at his meta a bit, I'd expect townie bluelightz to give a town read on Mementoss at some point in the game. Really I find it odd that he tunneled prplzh without giving opinions on any of the other lynch candidates. I don't find that odd in the slightest, to be honest. In NMM3 he called Obvious scum, Obvious made some response, Bluelightz backed down immediately. | ||
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On September 21 2012 01:59 Hapahauli wrote: Eh? I just read that and that's not what happened at all: 1st post: 2nd post: He then posts 1 or two more things on Obvious then gets caught up in defending himself, jumping around votes and suspicions. He finally votes obvious on the lastminute bandwagon, but follows it up with this: Just a remarkably different mentality - much less sure of himself, and much more open with his reads. right, there are significant differences, i meant the way he was suspicious and backed down from it | ||
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On September 21 2012 02:29 Palmar wrote: Mementoss is almost certainly town. If I do end up dead tonight you really, really need to take a critical look at the fact that prplhz and I agreed on reads. It's really fucking frustrating that you paint someone scum, then town proceeds to ignore you once you get shot. Always look at everything said by the people night killed by mafia. Do so critically, but usually there is a reason the people who died, die. I think marv needs to die tomorrow. If we have a vigilante, the safest targets are HiroPro and perhaps mkfuba07. Generally it's easier to shoot lurkers as they won't be missed. Hapahauli is confirmed town with no action so he should absolutely be protected tonight. However it's probably better that we assume there is a chance BlazingHand and I get protected because that might deter scum from shooting us. it's very unfortunate prplhz messed up the claim but once he did it I suppose there wasn't anything to do but lynch him. We could've ended up with 2 confirmed townies. I was pretty sure they were both town, especially hapa, but really prplhz too. The reason I didn't want to switch to austinmcc is that two of my strongest scumreads were already voting for him as I pointed out. Now there's obviously the chance that austin is an SK and I was just being a stubborn asshole, but with hiro and marv both trying to kill him, I saw very little reason to think he might flip scum. mementoss's interactions with blazinghand during the first moments of the game seem very straightforward and matter of fact. there is no sense of panic as he breaks down the points Blazinhand raised against him. The main reason I think he's town are the two big posts he came up with after I posted the case on marv. In both of them he's genuinely looking at the situation as it is, instead of as he wants it to be. His addition of mkfuba07 into the mix and the connections between marv and mkfuba is a very valuable addition to the thread, something I would not expect anyone that's scum to pick up on. It proves he's reading the thread with a lot of attention. Regarding my own meta, marv is using it in the wrong way, obviously. The problem is marv seems to have a lot of time to post, so read everything said and done for it's content, not for who is yelling the loudest. The thing is, I positively invite people to read me for my content, especially by this stage of the game. Except the funny thing is, you haven't addressed any of it since you made your original case on me. Further, you're still calling Hiro a scumread despite never having given reasons for doing so. You always think people use meta the wrong way. You get lynched as scum every time you are scum on meta, and it's invariably correct. | ||
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On September 18 2012 23:05 Palmar wrote: ok I've caught up. Will read more attentively later, some of you guys textwall like bosses. Here's my current idea of the thread. I will deny! iamperfection Hapahauli blazinghand Palmar Junglers Zephirdd Mementoss bluelightz prplhz Ange777 mkfuba07 5 carries on your team Marvellosity HiroPro austinmcc On September 21 2012 02:29 Palmar wrote: If we have a vigilante, the safest targets are HiroPro and perhaps mkfuba07. Generally it's easier to shoot lurkers as they won't be missed. The reason I didn't want to switch to austinmcc is that two of my strongest scumreads were already voting for him as I pointed out. Now there's obviously the chance that austin is an SK and I was just being a stubborn asshole, but with hiro and marv both trying to kill him, I saw very little reason to think he might flip scum. ah, shit. Absolutely no reason given whatsoever at any point. Bugger. | ||
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Any fucking reason at all. | ||
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On September 21 2012 05:03 Hapahauli wrote: Ok actually this post by mkfuba is really freggin weird. Marv asked him for his read on austinmcc. "Absolutely!" "MMtoss is playing strange..." "I'll look at austin later" Wat? Yes, I specifically pointed this out as why I'd gotten a scumread on mkfuba (as had one or two others). Pay attention, dear. | ||
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The point with fubaa is that he was weak giving his reasoning on austin, which took fucking forever anyway, and then when pressed to comment on austin then commented on Mementoss instead. He managed to create a situation where he doesn't have to be held accountable for any of his reads because we don't even know what they are properly.. | ||
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On September 21 2012 05:09 Hapahauli wrote: Yeah see I wasn't around too much late yesterday =( order of things to do: read things and THEN comment, rather than comment and find out it's been said  | ||
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On September 21 2012 05:20 austinmcc wrote: marv, thoughts on Hiro and Bluelightz? You had hiro scummy for a bit, agreed with a lot of what he was posting, and generally had a lot of ... I dunno, distant interaction? with him. Agreeing with his points, directing others to look at his posts for your thoughts. Where does your read on him stand atm? Also, can you give any sort of read on ange? I agree with Hapa's assessment of Ange. Leaning town because of effort. I can't find any particular malicious intent or direction in her posting. I've given what thoughts I have on BL, waiting to hear more from people like BH before trying to firm up further on him either way. Hiro I'm leaning town on now. In his massive post whenever it was he brought up a load of well thought out points, including analysis and quotes from other games, such as prplhz sheeping Palmar, and my tendency to believe the scummy things I do point towards me being town. I also liked his assessment on how you were appearing apologetic. Basically I'm leaning town on him because many of his thoughts have been unique this game and I like the way he thinks and agree with it much of the time. The thing that stops me giving a firm read of town is that he's still more... detached from the thread than he might be. | ||
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On September 21 2012 05:33 Zephirdd wrote: nobody cared about my palmar post mesad TT hey babe, it was good! I thought similar things, but held my thoughts on it because it presumed I'd damned Palmar in my mind already (getting there xD). One of my thoughts when reading that post was "wifom bombs" you just set it out more neatly and fully. I remember at some point Palmar saying that playing scum is about misleading and sowing as much confusion into town as possible before he dies, as he would inevitably die, and that post matches that. | ||
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On September 21 2012 05:37 Mementoss wrote: maybe im biased since it was defending me but I think you were too critical on many factors, Marv was harping him all game about not explaining things and I think he explained himself pretty good there. Also about the dead people it's true that people should pay more attention to them, but not completely rely on it. I guess is what I'm saying is I don't agree with almost any of your post lol. he explained jack shit. | ||
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marvellosity
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he didn't 'explain' anything on his 2nd highest scumread, HiroPro. And he barely explained why he abandoned the lynch and didn't vote austin. Hapa has alraedy covered that one. It's a pile of crap. | ||
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