On September 18 2012 01:14 Zephirdd wrote: Yugi, 7 players posted.
in a 26 player game where you know 3 of your allies.
Oh so you have 3 allies?
if anyone's worried, really this should be your confirmation that Zeph is a turk.
that and no one defending him
Defense in and of it self is a null tell in this setup due to the team mechanic, what does anyone outside of his own faction gain from defending him. Said faction is probably not touching the issue with a 10 foot pole or would be outright bussing him in order to maintain furthur credibility.
In all honesty there is no reason to defend him nor is it reasonable to defend anyone else as this game is less kill the mafia as much as kill everyone but your faction. The flip side to this mechanic is you could attempt to force the game into superlate and just attempt for a last man standing kind of deal but we really dont need theorycrafting beyond that day 1.
On September 18 2012 01:14 Zephirdd wrote: Yugi, 7 players posted.
in a 26 player game where you know 3 of your allies.
Oh so you have 3 allies?
if anyone's worried, really this should be your confirmation that Zeph is a turk.
that and no one defending him
Defense in and of it self is a null tell in this setup due to the team mechanic, what does anyone outside of his own faction gain from defending him. Said faction is probably not touching the issue with a 10 foot pole or would be outright bussing him in order to maintain furthur credibility.
In all honesty there is no reason to defend him nor is it reasonable to defend anyone else as this game is less kill the mafia as much as kill everyone but your faction. The flip side to this mechanic is you could attempt to force the game into superlate and just attempt for a last man standing kind of deal but we really dont need theorycrafting beyond that day 1.
EBWOP: I also dont mean to imply what faction zeph is as i just got home and that was the first post i noticed.
On September 18 2012 11:30 Mattchew wrote: i mean wouldnt someone on his town team say like hey zeph is town?
Whats the point, they just outed themselves as a member of that faction at which point some bastard vigi could shoot him to make the lead wider.
i would think killing scum would be everyones first priority
Think of it this way mattchew:
Your on a town faction, none of your homies are in deepshit and its night time and you have a vigi shot. There was a townie killed the day or night before and you are 80% sure that Person X is on his team.
Now you are 40% sure that person Y is a turk for whatever reason.
You could just take a safe shot and more or less eliminate one team from the runnings right then and there as a 2 man deficit is fatal this early in the game. Or take the less safe scum shot over waiting for more information.
Now naturally this would be another case if you were more sure of scum but theoretically speaking hitting a townie not on your team with a shot is not particularly bad play early on. ESPECIALLY if you manage to hit scum with a lynch.
On September 18 2012 11:30 Mattchew wrote: i mean wouldnt someone on his town team say like hey zeph is town?
Whats the point, they just outed themselves as a member of that faction at which point some bastard vigi could shoot him to make the lead wider.
i would think killing scum would be everyones first priority
it is for you guys with two lives.
It is not for everyone else. While we want to kill the turks, we also want to outnumber everyone else through the use of vigilantes or even mislynches. In fact, if someone thinks he's not outnumbering everyone else when the turks are about to die, the correct move would be to push the lynch of the faction that is outnumbering him.
Hey guys. Got off a flight from switzerland to chicago today, so kinda fucked up. Gonna just read through the thread and give you some thoughts here, that's about all I'm capable of at the moment.
Yeah so the people who want to do a massclaim are retarded. Even though turks are our common enemy, so are all the other factions, and it seems like a massclaim would privilege some factions over others.
Actually, now that I think of it, wouldn't a massclaim help the romanians way more? Turks would be unlikely to target them with NKs, meaning that all the other factions would get weaker relative to them as the game goes on.
In fact, someone please explain to me why it's not optimal for all the other Slav factions to just lynch a Romanian right now, since Romanians are less likely to die to NKs.
Regarding the whole "slip" zephirdd thing, I may be missing something but I don't understand why zeph is trying to portray sheth's "not a slav" thing as "exclusively a turk slip" - the fact that bosnians are slavs is in the OP, it's not like only slav factions know that they're slav factions.
I also think acro proposing a policy lynch on drazerk is kinda weird in his first post, but I do think we should be careful about Drazerk. There's no good reason for him to claim medic day1, and zephirdd just won PTP3 as scum where he claimed medic day 1 for no reason and it got people off his back (again for no reason). I'll take a real look at Drazerk's filter sometime tomorrow.
On September 18 2012 11:30 Mattchew wrote: i mean wouldnt someone on his town team say like hey zeph is town?
Whats the point, they just outed themselves as a member of that faction at which point some bastard vigi could shoot him to make the lead wider.
i would think killing scum would be everyones first priority
Think of it this way mattchew:
Your on a town faction, none of your homies are in deepshit and its night time and you have a vigi shot. There was a townie killed the day or night before and you are 80% sure that Person X is on his team.
Now you are 40% sure that person Y is a turk for whatever reason.
You could just take a safe shot and more or less eliminate one team from the runnings right then and there as a 2 man deficit is fatal this early in the game. Or take the less safe scum shot over waiting for more information.
Now naturally this would be another case if you were more sure of scum but theoretically speaking hitting a townie not on your team with a shot is not particularly bad play early on. ESPECIALLY if you manage to hit scum with a lynch.
Early game it is always better for a vig to shoot at Turks than slavs. A 40% chance is better than a 0% chance when the Turks are strong. Late game if and when Turks are weak then maybe a vig should shoot another Slav.
see that girl in that youtube video? That's not me, because I'm not allowed to post during daylight because I'm a vampire :p
There's no way to fulfill my wincon anymore. As people already mentioned even if town had a 100% modconfirmed mafia it would be better to lynch into vets at some point (either today or sometime later) due to their 2nd night lifes as no vig or mafia is going to waste shots on us when town can just lynch romanians instead and town has to get rid of us as well (unless of course you're a romanian yourself). Sad thing, really was looking forward to playing this game...
Romanians might still win this game in like a 1 out of 100 chances due to my special ability but I'm not going to do a thing if I can't even play anti-town / troll because I'm not allowed to post in the first place and will most likely get lynched sooner or later because I'm a confirmed Romanian anyways when the only way to win is for every single guy in this game to screw up big time and not realize there's a shitton of braindead minions running loose.
And yeah I'm not going to check every 72 hours in here to place my one vote and do nothing else for that 1 out of 100 chance. gg I guess.
Oh and hope my allies are either okay with me killing myself or aren't vampires themselves. If they are I just caused a genocide. Nice job giving that role to the german guy btw.
If I am Koreatian: I am Soldier If I am Albanian: I am Secret Police If I am Romanian: You are not doing readings If I am Bosnian: I am Lazy Soldier - shoot any claiming people but NO OEN ELSE you lazy bosnian If I am Serbian: I am Medic If I am Turk: I am KEBAB VENDOR REMOVER ME
Toad I don't want to lynch Romanians. Turks are still the biggest threat until they have only one kp at least. And if the game gets to that point Turks will probably align with you anyway.
On September 18 2012 14:03 NotBillMurray wrote: ok guys i claim now kinda huehue
If I am Koreatian: I am Soldier If I am Albanian: I am Secret Police If I am Romanian: You are not doing readings If I am Bosnian: I am Lazy Soldier - shoot any claiming people but NO OEN ELSE you lazy bosnian If I am Serbian: I am Medic If I am Turk: I am KEBAB VENDOR REMOVER ME
On September 18 2012 12:51 strongandbig wrote: Hey guys. Got off a flight from switzerland to chicago today, so kinda fucked up. Gonna just read through the thread and give you some thoughts here, that's about all I'm capable of at the moment.
Yeah so the people who want to do a massclaim are retarded. Even though turks are our common enemy, so are all the other factions, and it seems like a massclaim would privilege some factions over others.
Actually, now that I think of it, wouldn't a massclaim help the romanians way more? Turks would be unlikely to target them with NKs, meaning that all the other factions would get weaker relative to them as the game goes on.
In fact, someone please explain to me why it's not optimal for all the other Slav factions to just lynch a Romanian right now, since Romanians are less likely to die to NKs.
Regarding the whole "slip" zephirdd thing, I may be missing something but I don't understand why zeph is trying to portray sheth's "not a slav" thing as "exclusively a turk slip" - the fact that bosnians are slavs is in the OP, it's not like only slav factions know that they're slav factions.
I also think acro proposing a policy lynch on drazerk is kinda weird in his first post, but I do think we should be careful about Drazerk. There's no good reason for him to claim medic day1, and zephirdd just won PTP3 as scum where he claimed medic day 1 for no reason and it got people off his back (again for no reason). I'll take a real look at Drazerk's filter sometime tomorrow.
Good point sir. Though it makes me believe you are Turk.
Addendum: While it would be beneficial to the other factions to mass claim, along with the romanians still because we can always lynch romanian scum too....
Alliance to kill Turkish scum, then Romanian Scum? Or would everyone just go back on there words. That is the true nature of this game...
Also, my feelings about mass claiming to be honest, were that it would break the game at first. Mattchew unfortunately only took killing scum as his priority, which was probably overzealous and because he's pretty good at it. Sorry Toad I'm uncertain how I feel. I'd like more input from people in regards to how they feel. Don't listen to strongandbig's big bad romanian theory. We outnumber the Romanians, and only other Romanians, and Turks, wouldn't vote for Romanian scum.
S&B The Turks still won't kill us romanians because of veteran status. Regardless of wheater they know your factions.
And The Romanians aren't scum, We're all scum. And it's not in your best interest to eradicate the Romanians. It's in your interest to weeken the Romanians (And all the other factions) to a lesser number then your own. Which means when you've lynched two romanians you're likely not going to bother finnishing the job but rather try to get eachother due to paranoia. And I can promise you not every faction will consist of 4 players, though alot of you probably already knows this but I just wanted to throw it out there.
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