Newbie Mini Mafia XXVII - Page 8

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 21 2012 21:24 GMT

#759

the aknowledging mislynch part is not what I was saying would be true for rethos, just the part i quoted about him being absent during the most important part of d1. his last post before deadline was 3 hours before

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 21 2012 21:25 GMT

#760

On September 22 2012 06:23 kushm4sta wrote:
thrawn at the time I didn't like the no lynch confusion argument but I don't think I ever fully understood it.

that was atreides who suggested no lynch, not remedy

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 21 2012 21:33 GMT

#761

kush I think you might have somehow mixed together in your head some combination of stuff I've said about remedy and atreides. here's all the stuff I said starting N1 about remedy:

here
here
here
here

there's also stuff that's been recently said about him by myself and dandel

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 21 2012 22:05 GMT

#763

What would your biggest read be? Looks like it's stutters but it's much more helpful when trying to get a read on you if you go ahead and clearly state who you're most supicious of. Also it looks like you think debears and I are suspicious by association with stutters for not calling him out on lurking? That's true for me but debears specifically called him out for lurking right before rethos quit.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 21 2012 22:36 GMT

#766

stutters that's twice you've quickly appeared in the thread after being called out for lurking when previously you hadn't posted in a long time...

First time here

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 22 2012 00:51 GMT

#775

On September 22 2012 08:36 kushm4sta wrote:
Look at these two quotes:
This regarding my case against him.

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(The only case I didn't understand was the atreides one. Because it was convoluted as fuck.)

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These two quotes, the "or are you scum" quotes I would expect from an aggressive newb, but thrawn's meta is none of those things.

@thrawn what is the purpose of these questions? Are they jokes or what?

The last quote is sorta joking but they're both serious opinions/questions. Your ability to follow my logic this game has been even worse than in our previous games so either you're somehow just failing to understand things I type or you're scum and trying to downplay them. You even came into the thread talking how baked you were and you made a bunch of confusing/contradictory posts about the boredom claim of rethos. Like they were so contradictory/confusing I thought you either still must be high or you're scum trying to create confusion.

So yeah... that's why I keep asking if you're confused about my posts/high. (Perhaps you are right and my cases have just made no sense at all but if that's true then I'm concerned for my mental health.) The only other option is that you're trying to discredit my cases by saying they don't make sense and that you're scum. No offense but honestly I believe the former to be true and for some reason you're being more dense this game than usual.... maybe some breakdown in communication between us has occurred? Honestly you are the hardest person in the thread to reason with because you act like an asshole whenever people are suspicious of you or disagree with you. Not just this game but all of them. I've somewhat responded in kind this game because it's gotten annoying so how about we just leave emotions out of it from now on?

Basically, the less angry/negative emotions you put into your posts, the better for everyone involved.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 22 2012 01:40 GMT

#782

We're over halfway into D2 so it's time to start voting or at least start making cases for strongest reads.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 22 2012 02:05 GMT

#787

My vote is staying on rethos because I just don't see how I can trust someone who lies several times and then admits to the lies and then says something just about equally unbelievable for his final excuse.

I could switch to remedy. I've been thinking over the fact that my #1 scumread (rethos) is most suspicious of my #2 (remedy) scumread but I don't really know what to make of it, at least until 1 of them flips.

And kush I don't think stutters would be a bad choice (lurker policy in effect here) but don't see myself voting for him unless the vote count ends up being super spread out among lots of candidates or something similarly controversial. My stutters vote would be because of the post timing I pointed out and because of lurker policy. However you yourself said your case against him was weak, I'm assuming at some point you're going to try and make a vote based on a stronger case? Lurker policy has its place but I don't see why it should be put into effect with so much time left before deadline.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 22 2012 02:15 GMT

#789

On September 22 2012 11:13 JacobStrangelove wrote:

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Yeah I just pointed this out

uh... noted? lol

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 22 2012 03:37 GMT

#796

Atreides the timezone explanation is not the one I was looking for that would set aside my doubts about your coming into the thread right as the deadline happened but it's believable. Also, the fact that marv posted about the no-lynch idea right after you posted your last post before deadline makes me accept that your no-lynch comment probably wasn't some sort of lie that you made up on the spot and had no prior knowledge of. The one thing that I'm stuck on is why you would think a no lynch would be better than lynching killing who you had previously said was an acceptable lynch. But anyways those were the main points of my N1 case against you. Apart from those points you've said some questionable things but quality =/= indication of alignment especially in a newbie game so you're down to a null-read. Wanna see you post more as that improves the quality of the read I can make on you.

I don't think atreides should be a lynch candidate. The stuff I just posted is enough for me to not have a scumread on him anymore. He has been lurking but if we have to go for a lurker stutters is a much better choice.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 22 2012 04:53 GMT

#799

I've been looking at the final vote count. I think it's very very safe to assume that at least 1 mafia voted for drazak. The people who voted for drazak are: Sharrant, Sonic Death Monkey, kushm4sta, thrawn2112, Stutters695. So then I removed sharrant, sonic, and myself, which leaves kush and stutters. Out of those two I think it's more likely stutters is scum. And when I look at their votes, kush made that retarded "ok looks like drazzak is the bandwagon then" vote. Originally it looked suspicious but consider this... why the fuck would a mafia player bandwagon onto a townie lynch and then use such a terrible phrase? Especially to even include the word bandwagon? That imo, is a colossal error that I don't think anyone would be capable of. (well maybe yourharry would find some way to rationalize it) So, that leaves stutters who already looks suspicious, both for lurking, and because of how he stops lurking to pop in the thread once someone calls him out.

So if all the follwoing is true, Stutters has to be scum

1: At least 1 mafia voted for drazak
2: There are no holes we've overlooked in sharrant's mason claim
3: My reasoning about kush's vote is extremely likely to be correct
(4: and an additional one for people other than myself would be that thrawn is town)

For me of course 4 is 100 true. 2 is so close to 100 percent true it may as well be 100 percent. Then I think 3 is the next most likely and 1 is probably the part of the theory I have the most hesitations about. However I think 1 and 3 are solid enough.

So in other words I think stutters is a pretty damn good lynch option. Not only for all the reasons just mentioned but also because he's a huge lurker.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 22 2012 05:05 GMT

#802

On September 22 2012 13:59 kushm4sta wrote:
K so the questions everyone needs to answer: who is your biggest scumread? are you willing to hop on a stutters bandwagon?

rethos/dandel, and after that either remedy or stutters. remedy was my #2 but after doing the research for my last post stutters has moved up the scum radar a lot higher so as of now idk which of them I'd put in the #2 spot. And yes I would definitely vote stutters but not right not unless rethos isn't getting lynched.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 22 2012 05:25 GMT

#807

On September 22 2012 14:06 kushm4sta wrote:
@thrawn
Why is it a sure thing that 1 scum voted for drazak?

How sure are we about the sharrant mason claim actually? I know before I said blah blah 100% why are we even talking about it, but recently i've been thinking. I only thought it was very unlikely they were scum because of the risk. Then their towniness was confirmed by the chat log timestamps. Does it actually confirm them because I pretty much just saw the timestamps and took other people's word for it without even looking at them.

The one scum voting for drazak is def the weakest part but I can't remember a single mislynch I've been a part of where there weren't ANY mafia who voted for the town guy. And for me the timestamps was the thing that pretty much forced me into accepting them as masons. Here's the post I did about them. If you want to check my research yourself, or do additional research beyond the 2 timestamps I looked up, then the list of timestamps are on that page I linked you and sharrant posted the timezone for them as well. The qt chat long is on the previous page. I started looking up the times and referencing them with events that took place in the thread and the first 2 came up clean. I noticed it had taken me quite a long time to convert timezones, and read through the thread to see if the qt posts matched up. If sharrant had made them up, then it would have taken him a good amount of time to fake them so cleanly. Then I realized that he had posted the time stamps 5 minutes after I asked for them which would be an inhuman time for them to have been fabricated.

The only ways I can see that falling apart is if A) the two events I looked up happened to be the only ones he managed to guess correctly (he would have had like 20 seconds to spend guessing at each one) or B) he made the timestamps a long time before I asked for them.

If A is true well then fuck me for being so unlucky. You can go do the research yourself and try out different posts than I did or I'll even do it if you're lazy and doubting A is true. I don't think B is likely because if he faked them a long time before I asked then why wouldn't he have included them in the original qt post?

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 22 2012 05:29 GMT

#808

Jacob, (and actually everyone else who's done this) I don't like "if I was mafia" arguments. Because if you are mafia, then obviously you will lie about what you would do if you were mafia!

Lots of people have been making those arguments this whole game and I actually start getting suspicious when I see them. At best it gives a null read on your true intentions.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 22 2012 05:33 GMT

#811

On September 22 2012 14:30 JacobStrangelove wrote:(who is yourharry?)

lol go ask goodkarma

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 22 2012 05:47 GMT

#815

On September 22 2012 14:36 sharky246 wrote:

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I was thinking that maybe all three of you (kushm4sta, thrawn2112 and stutters695) are mafia (got nothing against you personally). I mean afterall, it is in the best interest of the mafia to lynch a townie. But to think that that is the case is abit too simplistic, albeit a possibility.

I know that everyone thinks of you as confirmed mason and all that but since you've joined the theory you just posted (about thinking 3 mafia voted for drazak) has been the most extensively thought out idea you've posted. Do you have any other ideas or reads? You shouldn't just leave it all the work up to sharrant.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 22 2012 05:50 GMT

#816

On September 22 2012 14:35 JacobStrangelove wrote:
uhh ok...

It's an inside joke for people who were around during my first game (so I guess only the hosts) but if you really want to know just go read the obs qt for newbie game XXIV lol.