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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 21 2012 21:15 GMT
#753
I want to wait until I'm at my pc so I can actually do a good job of reading filters and cross referencing with the thread for context.
your case against remedy is just lack of scumhunting right? I think its true that he's all accusation and no argumentation. I want to look onto that more, then ask him to expand on his reasoning for some of.his accusations and see what he comes up with.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 21 2012 21:23 GMT
#758
thrawn at the time I didn't like the no lynch confusion argument but I don't think I ever fully understood it.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 21 2012 22:52 GMT
#770
My thoughts on thrawn's earlier case against remedy:
1 Remedy's useless vote parked on me d1.
Bad town yes, scum no. I don't see the scum motivation behind it, especially since both our bandwagons were town.

2 His comment on my drazak, thrawn, debears scumteam idea.
The idea itself was worth nothing.. just something like hmmm here's something to ponder.
His comment was similar. It's not like he based any cases on the scumteam idea. Well he doesn't make cases really at all. But yeah I don't consider his comment regarding that scumteam a big tell.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 21 2012 22:55 GMT
#772
So stutters lurks forever, then appears out of thin air when he is accused.
He gives an excuse for lurking during the next few days, but he also allows himself the possibility of posting (phone posts).
##FOS stutters
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 21 2012 23:36 GMT
#773
I still FOS thrawn. I know people dont want to believe he is mafia because he is really active.
A lot of the cases he has been trying to bandwagon just make no sense to me, and I know other people feel the same. It's like he finds any instance of bad play and tries to turn it into a bandwagon.

Look at these two quotes:
This regarding my case against him.
You either haven't grasped the logic of a lot of my cases (specifically the remedy which till now you'e ignored my request for you to give a read on him) or you're scum.

(The only case I didn't understand was the atreides one. Because it was convoluted as fuck.)

Are you still high or are you scum?

These two quotes, the "or are you scum" quotes I would expect from an aggressive newb, but thrawn's meta is none of those things.

@thrawn what is the purpose of these questions? Are they jokes or what?

Here is my original case against him with his reply then my reply to his reply. The only feedback I got was from jacob who accused me because I accused thrawn. He didn't even mention the case itself.

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On September 21 2012 11:35 kushm4sta wrote:
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On September 21 2012 07:40 kushm4sta wrote:
#fos thrawn

K guys I did the legwork on this monster of a filter. Tell me what you think.

1 Being active when he said he'd be lurking
On September 14 2012 07:26 thrawn2112 wrote:
i do have internet, i just have to walk/ride a long ass time to get it.

Thrawn was quite reluctant to join this game. Before the game started he warned us that he would be lurking more than usual.
Except that hasn't happened. In fact, he has been extremely active.
Imagine this, thrawn, in his 4th game, finally gets mafia, the role he has dreamt of ever since he learned about the game. That is something that could spur activity.

Obviously regardless of my alignment I am in a position to be posting up the same amount that's been my meta so far. I did not think I would have computer access this game but that has changed. Your argument is basically that before the game even started I lied about how much posting I could do somehow knowing or hoping against odds that I would be mafia and I could use that to trick people into making a false meta read.

Well I don't know the specifics of your situation. I'm assuming some brokeback mountain type scenario, in which you can get to a computer if you really want to but it's kind of a bother. A mafia roll might give you that nudge to make you put in the extra effort to be more active.

2 His multitude of paper thin cases.
These are his accusations throughout the game so far.
1 fos sonic for making a survey

That happened at the very start of the game. Of course any accusation at that point is going to be weak. The accusation was based on me seeing a simialar action from when he was scum in our last game. I didn't see the point of the surveys. Last game as scum he proposed that people make read lists which I thought that was a scummy tactic. He was scum that game leading me to think he was doing a similar thing in this one.

When bringing up these cases, I didn't focus on any in particular. That is because it's not the cases themselves that are really suspect. It's how freely you accuse so many different people, and most of your cases are based on very little.

2 fos killing for saying he doesn't like FOS

I didn't fos him for him saying he didn't like FOS. I fos'd him for coming into the thread at a point when people were alread makking and sharing reads and he made a fluff post.

3 vote sharrant for saying a bunch of different stupid shit

bunch of stupid shit = making a vote for debears based on a paragraph of reasoning and saying he wants to force debears to role claim. Later I stuck to my vote because he was talking about a secret plan that he wasn't willing to share with us. I assumed he was suggesting he was a blue role and I even tried to think through what possible things a blue player could do in that situation and I came up with nothing so his claim that he had a plan seemed like a complete lie.

Although I disagree with it, I do not think that suspecting sharrant was scummy. Definitely your most justified read.


Yet debears does not earn an fos even though he gives them out like candy...
then d2
4 fos debears for copying his arguments (d1 it was ok d2 it's not?)

First you say i am supicisous for not fosing debears and when I do it makes me suspicious?
It's that you did fos him n1 for doing the same thing he did d1. Why not fos him d1 then?

5 atreides he tells me I need to look at for being confused about no lynch

I don't see what's scummy about that
I looked this over and I understand your argument better now. Correct me if I'm wrong but he said he was afk yet he was there 1 minute after lynch. Is that it? And I do see the scumhunt logic in that.

6 remedy who is suddenly out of no where his TOP scumread. Thrawn's case: he made a commented on a stupid scumteam thought I had. Also he didn't vote for a bandwagon d1. And that's his "biggest read"...

I've already told you that my case on remedy isn't because he agreed with a stupid post. here and also read my post right after it.

About your case against remedy: I disagree that voting for me is a scumtell. As for the second part of your argument, are you saying that his one comment about the probably scumteam means that he was willing to lynch 2 confirmed town? I do not see the connection. Just because he comments on the plausibility of a scumteam doesn't team he's ready to lynch all of them.


Here is him yelling at killingtime for making a thin case:
On September 19 2012 02:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 19 2012 01:56 KillingTime wrote:
I like sonic's last post on Debears though - For now my feeling is that Debears is mafia trying to blend into the thread. Debears who do you think is scum?

For now:
##Vote:debears


Killing are you for real? You make a post devoid of content which I call you out for, then in your next post you actually start talking about current discussion but then you make a vote for someone based on a single sentence of justification?

But less than an hour earlier thrawn makes a case also based on only 1 sentence of justification:
On September 19 2012 01:16 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 19 2012 00:35 KillingTime wrote:
I don't understand the point of FoS'ing on day 1


##Fos KillingTime

Nice contribution to the thread. Do you really think that's something worth talking about when there are already lots of other discussions going on?


Yes it's hypocritical but that doesnt mean scum
So if it added to your suspicion of killingtime, why can't it add to my suspicion of you? Pointing out a scumtrait in someone else does not make you immune to being accused for that trait.


3 His total lapse of logic after sharrant role claims.
On September 20 2012 06:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
So, I don't know if I should trust this mason claim or not, but what does everyone think about this plan:

So maybe we should lynch cubu, and if cubu flips mason well then at least we have a confirmed town player (sharrant) and we haven't lost a useful poster. If Cubu doesn't flip mason then we atuo lynch sharrant D2.

What does everyone think about this plan huh? Well what I think is that you are fishing to see if town will follow this madness. Cubu is basically confirmed town and you want to lynch him anyway.

I didn't try to push it much further than that. I think it was stutters who pointed out what the worst possible outcome of that plan was and I dropped it after that and started contributing to the lurker lynch discussion
Of course you wouldn't push it more than that. You wanted to see how willing town was to go along with it. When you realized we weren't willing, you dropped it immediately.

4 the real story of d1
Thrawn is on my ass about a redirection of a killing lynch onto drazak. Well that did not happen. The real redirection, which no one has even talked about, is from debears to sharrant.

Where did I accuse you of redirecting from killing to drazak?
You accused me of voting for drazak even though I admitted to killing being the better lynch. Not exactly redirection though, you're right.

Debears had a majority vote. Thrawn defends debears, pushes sharrant, and suddenly sharrant has the majority vote.

That's an association case so it's assuming that at bare minimum, debears is confirmed scum in order for me to be scum.
Remember the first game we played together? Shadysands got town to change their vote from mafia to town. I'm suggesting you may have done something similar. It's just that we had a majority on debears, and then for some reason that majority just disappeared, and I'm wondering why.


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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 22 2012 01:15 GMT
#777
the high thing...that was just referring to that one post that I made this morning in between classes. . My point was I'm not in the right situation for posting, but there is 1 thing i really want to say and I feel it is urgent. Then I said it. You will notice how many hours passed between that and my next post.
I haven't come into the thread baked saying random shit today.... and I'm not the only one who thinks your insistence on rethos' guilt is crazy.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 22 2012 01:20 GMT
#780
I have to be fair though thrawn, it's not "crazy" to think rethos' guilty. I mean he did lie, he did say he lied, and a lot of people other than you think he's guilty.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 22 2012 01:32 GMT
#781
@debears the thing is my read on dandel is definitely colored by my read on rethos.
I do agree with a lot of your post though.
He says rethos follows the bad townie mold, but so does remedy in almost exactly the same way.
I think their bad scum hunting is pretty much a null tell on both of them though.
It makes sense that a first time player would be bad at scum hunting.

He does dismiss the case against rethos, and just basically says well he looked town before that part, then he looked wtf. MOVING ON. I don't know exactly why dandel doesn't think it's worth his time to defend himself. Maybe he feels like his opinion doesn't hold much value on the matter because it's obviously biased.
But I also see his point of view that we were in an argument where the same things were being repeated again and again and he didn't think it was productive.

Not sure about the vig shot. Is it a bad strategy to save town a lynch by killing a lurker? I haven't really thought but i think it could be a good idea. What if the vig waits till the end to use it but he is killed then it goes to waste? I don't think mentioning that is scummy.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 22 2012 01:45 GMT
#783
Stutters. I don't have a case against him really since he's been so afk. It's mostly just what other people have said and the timing on his returns from afk. And his most recent post about probably being afk but possibly not.
I am not dead set in this. However, I'm not fucking voting for dandel.

##vote stutters
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 22 2012 02:18 GMT
#791
there's no one else good to vote for... Maybe jacob after that last post. But I think im alone in suspecting him. Also it's going to look very omgus. I will try to stick to logic when I make my rebuttal though.
Also I don't want to vote for you because I suspect you but I still think there's a good chance you might be town and to lose a town thrawn at this point would be really bad. I want to be more sure of your alignment before I vote for you.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 22 2012 02:23 GMT
#793
@jacob regent is remedy right?
l2english please
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 22 2012 04:36 GMT
#797
On September 22 2012 11:02 JacobStrangelove wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Ok I woke, up.
On September 22 2012 00:43 kushm4sta wrote:

/Flame on
+ Show Spoiler +
We were town buds last game but this game I don't respect you at all. You are mostly afk basically for the first day. You make posts but they have a sum total of 0 content. You circumlocute, you say some obvious shit. The only thing that is keeping me from suspecting you is the fact that you also made no sense last game. I don't know maybe you should stop playing for a while until you learn the english language?
/Flame off

Ouch... you really do take OMGUS to a new level. I am going to wait a minute so I don’t do the same.

Yes we were town buddies last game, this is part of the reason I thought you were just acting like your normal self at the start. But you are acting like your normal self + annoyed and angry. You mentioned a test before did it really go that badly? Yes I was mostly afk by my standards, but my standards were still posting more than most people while busy with assignments. Why would I try to post as much as I can? If I were mafia I would have remained low key. Also part of the reason I messed up was because I am committed to this game. Even when I was completely exhausted(and frustrated) I make several posts because I wanted to be in this game (although I was tired to the point where I was miss reading stuff) That tired as mafia I would never post in this thread it would be insane.

I am going to ignore the part about making no sense last game and needing to learn English as that will only get me angry. My point is you seem to be far more emotional and frustrated without reason... Thrawn might be scum, but the fact is you were pushing on someone who also had the potential to be the best poster (with our two confirmed town afk) However incase you are town it would be detrimental to lose you (same with thrawn) so I will move onto the lurkers.

I have to admit Thawns logic isn’t completely easy to follow sometimes and his case on atreides did seem odd. But I will update my thoughts on the Daniel Ion case Rethos was scummy before he lied scummier after lying and almost impossible to read after he is gone...

One thing I will say is Thrawn and kush are going in circles... Daniel points this out however at the same time he tries to get the focus off that onto his remedy case.
On September 22 2012 06:15 Dandel Ion wrote:
This isn't constructive. Talk about something else pls.

Like my Remedy case.
I like my Remedy case.
Who else likes my Remedy case?
Who doesn't like my Remedy case?
Pls include reasons.


While I will talk about this it is just something that stood out. I could have confirmation bias though. Also while with reason he goes on Remedy that was also the biggest bandwagon before he was underfire.

However onto remedy. Yes he sheeps onto bad plans especially ones that would get multiple town killed. He also wasn’t around in a crucial time and comes in 9 min late(I am paraphrasing some of what thrawn wrote) However one hole I found in his case so far is


________________________________________
On September 21 2012 09:42 RemedySC wrote:
Okay, I don't think mafia got lucky in killing a blue.

Looks like other than the Sharrant read, Sonic's biggest read was Atreides-, Debears, and Killing.

All three have had good arguments made against them. Possibly they they thought Sonic might have more info.
________________________________________


Remedy this post sets off my scum alarms. I son't have any evidence (and neither do you) why mafia would have killed sonic other than that he was really townish and I don't think anyone suspected him. So when you start talking about how they might have killed him because of his reads it just makes me think there's some manipulation going on behind his nightkill and your post.


Now you seemed to miss this
On September 21 2012 09:44 RemedySC wrote:
EBWOP - I mean I think Mafia got lucky that Sonic was a blue.

Still suspicious but not as suspicious, also here
On September 21 2012 13:01 RemedySC wrote:
You know, I could see sonic role blocking you. His power also allows him to save someone, if his strongest town read was you, then he would use it on you.

He could have been trying to make thrawn look less like town, because if mafia did block him (and he didn’t lie about it) then thrawn is more likely to be town.
On September 21 2012 14:43 RemedySC wrote:
Just re-read this post and want to address it.

Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 06:09 thrawn2112 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 21 2012 05:57 kushm4sta wrote:
Just read through remedy's filter. Don't see how this guy can be anybody's "biggest read."

Your two main arguments against him.
1 He sheeped on my retarded scumteam notion.
I don't like this read because it seems like the case here is stupidity = scum. Not everyone is as enlightened as you about the uselessness of association cases. Are they bad? Yes I agree with that but I don't think making them is a scumtell.

2 His useless vote for me.
I don't see the scum motivation in this, since both our bandwagons were town. He is not following the town plan of consolidating our bandwagon, but we never made that plan concrete really.
He didn't believe in the sharrant case. He has been consistently against lynching lurkers, so that's why he wouldn't vote for cubu.

The scumteam thing is not about stupidity = scum, it's about him going along with a a dumb idea that will end up lynching at least 2 confirmed town.


I acknowledged an idea, that is all. Nothing ever came of it afterwards.


He draws attention to an idea but nothing happens with it (because no town jumps on?)

In other words I do think regent looks scummy. So does now Daniel ion though. Who looks worse? Rethos made a very impressive slip though, but should we give Daniel the time for him to convince him he is town?
However now I move onto stutters.

Twice consistently he comes in after someone calls him out. Three posts in what 48 hours? I have posted cases about him in the past for not lurking when he said he had time ect… and he sheeps onto drazak along with most people though. It’s a pity it’s harder to find stuff with him because he has lurked so much.

I know there is something else I was going to say but I forgot…

On September 22 2012 04:00 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 03:49 kushm4sta wrote:
Ok its wrong to say "mafia don't get bored" because that is an absolute. I would rather say, in my current sober state, that it is much less likely for scum to get bored.

Is there a chance he is scum? I doubt it but of course there is a chance.
I'm saying that I think bored mafia is more likely than mafia that uses faked boredom into quitting the game as a scum strategy.


Lol in my first mafia game as town I got really baked and then I lurked in the thread taking notes and making theories. I took a nap, woke up and proceeded to make the mother of all scummy-sounding posting sprees. So if you're town then my advice is: don't play this game high, don't even read the thread.

So you believe the boredom claim no matter if he is town or scum right? Is there a reason for you doubting he's scum or is it just a gut feeling?


Yeah don’t get baked, don’t work on 4 hours sleep, and don’t get drunk. *goes to get drunk*



I said it before and I will say it again. The measure of a lurker is not his post count, it's not his word count. It's matter of contribution to the scumhunt. Jacob is an active lurker, and that reeks of scum.
Can anyone even remember a stance jacob has taken? Remedy, killing, stutters, atreides, I can remember something about all of them without even looking at their filter. Jacob has been all about the bandwagon, and the half hearted accusations.

This is the second post against me.. where is the vote? Not even a fucking FOS.


Why would I try to post as much as I can? If I were mafia I would have remained low key. Also part of the reason I messed up was because I am committed to this game. Even when I was completely exhausted(and frustrated) I make several posts because I wanted to be in this game (although I was tired to the point where I was miss reading stuff) That tired as mafia I would never post in this thread it would be insane.

No one is even accusing you, yet you feel the need to defend yourself.
Your defense of yourself for no reason paraphrased:
you missed things in the thread because you were tired, and this proves you aren't mafia because mafia would never post when they are tired. That would be "INSANE."
Not really. Especially if they weren't under any town pressure like you.
And you saying it would be insane just seems like you are exaggerating an untrue argument to make yourself look more town.

However incase you are town it would be detrimental to lose you (same with thrawn) so I will move onto the lurkers.

@jacob So according to this statement, we shouldn't be scumhunting active people?

In the next part of the post he casts suspicion on dandel for trying to get people to focus on remedy. But the suspicion is so soooo slight. Read the part where he suspects dandel for shifting focus to remedy. His suspicion has the force of a feather.
Then he suspects remedy, yes the same remedy he chides dandel for investigating.

In other words I do think regent looks scummy. So does now Daniel ion though. Who looks worse? Rethos made a very impressive slip though, but should we give Daniel the time for him to convince him he is town?
However now I move onto stutters.

Here is my jacob impersonation:
This guys kinda scummy, so is this guy. Who is scummier? Should we let them convince us who is scummier? Well this well is dry time to move on.

So far he has made no definitive statements, and he's already moved on to his 4th suspicion, stutters. And here he reiterates the scumminess of stutters afk timings. To accuse stutters right now makes sense, but it is also safe as fuck. Everyone is suspicious of stutters.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I have 1 game experience with jacob, and he can be hard to understand. But this is the same jacob as in last game. I don't know who obsed last game but killing you were there till the end. Do you concur?
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 22 2012 04:42 GMT
#798
I forgot something important.

##unvote
##vote jacob
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 22 2012 04:59 GMT
#800
K so the questions everyone needs to answer: who is your biggest scumread? are you willing to hop on a stutters bandwagon?
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 22 2012 05:00 GMT
#801
my biggest scumread is jacob, and I am willing to lynch stutters
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 22 2012 05:06 GMT
#803
@thrawn
Why is it a sure thing that 1 scum voted for drazak?

How sure are we about the sharrant mason claim actually? I know before I said blah blah 100% why are we even talking about it, but recently i've been thinking. I only thought it was very unlikely they were scum because of the risk. Then their towniness was confirmed by the chat log timestamps. Does it actually confirm them because I pretty much just saw the timestamps and took other people's word for it without even looking at them.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 22 2012 05:14 GMT
#804
wait if it's plurality vote why do we even need a backup
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 22 2012 05:21 GMT
#806
edwop this is NOT the same jacob lol
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 22 2012 14:59 GMT
#834
@sharrant well I think a lot of scumhunting relative to his post count. it looked like he was concerned with finding scum. Maybe we disagree with what scumhunting entails.
Why are you focusing on that phrase I said like 2 days ago and how would it make me scum?

To all the other thrawn suspectors, and it seems like there are more now, why would scum thrawn go through the trouble of doing the timestamp analysis?

No one likes my case against Jacob??? i thought it was really good wtf
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Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 22 2012 15:50 GMT
#840
@thrawn I actually really like your argument against stutters.
There is always at least 1 scum voting for the bandwagon. Bandwagon 2-6 one of those are usually scum.
That leaves me thrawn and stutter. I know im town. At the moment I think thrawn is probably town.

No one is biting on my jacob case. Screw you guys because I think he is scummy as fuck. So I'm changing my vote for stutters.
Mostly I want to make him the main bandwagon so we can avoid this retarded dandel lynch.

##unvote
##vote stutters
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