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Killingtime is missing. Seems pretty convenient that he goes missing as soon as the heat is off him. But for now there are more important matters to discuss since I doubt a banwagon on killing is happening.
I'm not going to vote yet. Day 1 scum reads are pretty bad. They are necessary, definitely, but it seems like they are just wrong more often than not. This leads me to the unpopular topic:
How do people feel about lynching a lurker. I would much rather lynch a lurker day 1 than let them sit there with his automatic null read forever. And who would we lynch instead? A possible active townie who is just playing bad?
Think about this, we have serious lurkers in CUBU and ATREIDES.
We have semi lurkers in REMEDY and STUTTERS.
How sure are you that Sharrant is mafia? Personally I'm not sure enough to vote for him over a lurker.
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@thrawn it seems like everything debears has posted has been some form of interaction with you, so it's impossible to have anything outside of that. Also understand I don't think that argument hinges on you being mafia as well.
On September 19 2012 11:44 RemedySC wrote:
Being active shouldn't exclude someone from a possible lynch candidate, so I still have my suspicions, but i'll leave those for later.
Day 1, in a game with lurkers, I think being active should exclude someone from being lynched. Lynching an active poster day 1 usually results in lynching a townie, this is common mafia knowledge.
Our reads of active players will get better. Our reads on lurkers will remain the same.
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##vote debears
I would be open to changing my vote to cubu.
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The mason possibility for thrawn and debears actually makes sense considering how they are acting. However I think it is a overreach. We know there are mafia but we do not know if there are masons. (i think)
Going to bed now.
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One more thing: debears and sharrant both exhibit bad play. However I think debear's bad play (buddying) is indicative of scum whereas sharrant's bad play is just null read badness.
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On September 19 2012 12:10 thrawn2112 wrote:kush what do you think about killing? he's been pretty lurky and has displayed some scummy behavior. Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 08:29 thrawn2112 wrote:
hey killing where's that post you promised us?
First you come in with the wildy off topic FOS post, then you make a vote for debears because you "liked sdm's post" which was pretty much the extent of your 2 sentence justification for your vote, then your next post is more about the FOS stuff and you give excuses for why you aren't posting and promise us a post which never came. ##FOS Killing
I think he is very scummy and honestly the only reason I let up on him was because he accused debears who I thought was more scummy.
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On September 19 2012 15:52 Stutters695 wrote:I'm really not sure about Kush. He's hard to read. He's active however so I'd like to see him contribute more and get a better read on him. One major question for him: Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 20:27 kushm4sta wrote:
@stutters I want to improve my play because last game I sucked quite hard. anyone can attest to that lol. I also don't want to be the best town because getting nk sucks imo. I like being around for the end of the game. I'm just being honest. but thanks for accusing me because it makes it less likely that ill be nk, since scum usually kill the towniest person.
what I said about flame wars.. that is what I did in the last two previous games. for instance drazak accused me really hard and I basically just called him a bad player again and again. I am trying to avoid that this game though.
I really hate waking up to people fosing me...feels bad Why were you honest about this? Telling everyone you're going to avoid getting night-killed so you can maintain a pointless streak serves no purpose from a town perspective. All it does is provide excuses for you for any potential bad play and if you're town waste time on unnecessary discussion. You also say: Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 11:46 kushm4sta wrote:
Killingtime is missing. Seems pretty convenient that he goes missing as soon as the heat is off him. But for now there are more important matters to discuss since I doubt a banwagon on killing is happening.
I'm not going to vote yet. Day 1 scum reads are pretty bad. They are necessary, definitely, but it seems like they are just wrong more often than not. This leads me to the unpopular topic:
How do people feel about lynching a lurker. I would much rather lynch a lurker day 1 than let them sit there with his automatic null read forever. And who would we lynch instead? A possible active townie who is just playing bad?
Think about this, we have serious lurkers in CUBU and ATREIDES.
We have semi lurkers in REMEDY and STUTTERS.
How sure are you that Sharrant is mafia? Personally I'm not sure enough to vote for him over a lurker. He says he isn't sure enough to vote Sharrant over a lurker, but he's willing to vote debears. What makes you think he is a better scum lynch than removing a lurker or lynching Scharrant.
bringing up the nk shit again....ok. i think its bad play to make yourself a nk target because you are worthless if you are this super strong townie d1, then get nk n1. I think thrawn is a good player but he definitely fell into this trap last game. he made himself a target and his death told us nothing.
I only bring this up again to save stutters the task of reading through my filter.
ok second question: why do I want to lynch debears over sharrant...I talk about this a lot. basically i see scum motivation in debears bad play but not in sharrants bad play.
why am I willing to vote for debears over a lurker? honestly I would probably rather lynch a lurker over him, just because I think d1 reads I'm general are ass. We were voting for our biggest scumread, though, just to see what bandwagons were viable. also voting for a lurker at that point would have been stupid because we don't even know which lurker we would consolidate on.
cubu is lurking even harder than last game.
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yeah stutters returns from afk in a pretty scummy fashion. afk for a while while I go to class.
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sonic... my case is pretty much just the dickriding. but he dickrides both by defending thrawn and copying his arguments without saying why.
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those votes don't count lurkers though and I think a lot of us want to switch to a lurker. so its either debears sharrant or x lurker
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sharrant if you say roleclaim again I'm changing vote to you..just stfu about roleclaim...it makes no sense
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@sharrant
My ideal situation is: push debears up to L-1, get him to roleclaim, then if I am satisfied with his answer, vote up either KillingTime or Stutters.
Here's what this line of reasoning looks like me. It looks like you are scum and your motivation here is to get someone to roleclaim. Then you back that up with a lurker vote. Except killing really isn't a lurker. And for some reason you ignore the huge lurker cubu.
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On September 20 2012 00:16 Sharrant wrote:
And if that happened, you guys would auto lynch me and the guy who came in with the lurker vote. It'd be suicide. Killing one townie (even a blue) is not worth one mafia, let alone 2. KT definitely has been lurking, he only just made a few posts with no substance.
So if I'm mafia, my plan is akin to gamethrowing. I'd be killing two mafia to kill a single person that 3 other people agree is suspicious enough to warrant a vote. THAT MAKES NO SENSE. I'll gladly tell you after my plan fails or succeeds what it was. Hell, at this point it's almost worth dropping just because it's going to get me lynched at this pace.
ANTECEDENTS PEOPLE.......
And if that happened, you guys would auto lynch me and the guy who came in with the lurker vote.
What is "that"?
No idea what this sentence means.
No idea what your "plan" is (all I know is it's stupid)
No idea who you are saying would be lynched or who would be mafia.
Sounds like a bunch of wifom speculation.
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On September 20 2012 00:24 RemedySC wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 19 2012 19:46 kushm4sta wrote:
ok second question: why do I want to lynch debears over sharrant...I talk about this a lot. basically i see scum motivation in debears bad play but not in sharrants bad play. Can you go into more depth about what you see as scum motivation? Most of your argument is in this post. - + Show Spoiler +On September 19 2012 03:11 kushm4sta wrote:##FOS Debears
I looked at this guy's filter again. And yeah it's fishy as hell. So now I'm less suspicious of killingtime, more suspicious of debears. First thing isn't it da bears not de bears?? His initial dickriding of thrawn strikes me as something that could just be indicative of newbie play. It's more productive to make cases against scum than cases for town, especially out of the blue when no one is even accusing the townie. But the latter is easier so it is very possible this is just a newb mistake. But in his latest post he simultaneously continues the dick ride and defends his right to dickride. Incoming possible scumslip: Show nested quote + However, if you look at the motivations from a townie and mafia perspective, it doesn't make sense as a mafia post. There's little reward for the risk as mafia. Here's what I showed earlier.
1) Thrawn as town - prevent the lurker discussion from going overboard. Present an idea that should provoke an "you're an idiot" response from town members (with a long shot of some mafia jumping on him about the idea).
2) Thrawn as mafia - Put up an idea that a thinking town would "not" take seriously, make himself look suspcicious. Possibly lynch the most inactive player if it works. People really need to learn to specify antecedents btw. After about an hour of rereading I figured out that what he is actually saying here is that thrawn's retarded idea to lynch the last person who posts makes him town. He purports himself an expert on the "mafia perspective" even though this is his first game. I would like more explanation about this line specifically: Show nested quote +
1) Thrawn as town - prevent the lurker discussion from going overboard. Present an idea that should provoke an "you're an idiot" response from town members (with a long shot of some mafia jumping on him about the idea).
What do you mean mafia would "jump on him about the idea?" As in they would like or get mad at him for it? Are you saying that thinking that idea is bad makes you scum? It is pretty much information that had been mentioned before, so can you elaborate more?
Sure remedy. I will speak more about the mafia motivation.
Debear's buddying is something see mafia motivation in. Buddying is a known trait of scum do and it serves many purposes.
1 Gives them safe reads by copying a known or confirmed town.
2 Wins the favor of the strong town to avoid accusal by that town. ie buddy up with thrawn so he won't accuse me
3 Makes them look more innocent by association with a confirmed innocent.
I read about buddying in a guide somewhere. It is known to be something that inexperienced mafia do.
Sharrant's roleclaim/serial killer retardation is bad play I think. It makes no sense to me. I do not see the motivation for it as town, but I also don't see the motivation for it as scum.
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@sharrant why would someone from lurking "instantly pop up and hammer him." He already has a majority of votes.
I'm still not understanding how your actions magically prove your innocence.
what is L-1? Isn't he already that?
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@remedy I agree the buddying thing isn't 100% but it's fucking day 1.
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@remedy Why would you vote for me at this point?
I'm not a serious lynch candidate today. At this point your vote just unfocuses the town.
You don't even say why you are voting for me.
Your case against me was made a really long time ago. Also it is real weak. And you blast me for the weakness of my cases?
You are actually one of the biggest lurkers at this point btw.
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@thrawn yes I do think buddying is scummier. why would scum play as strangely as sharrant?
question I really want answered from sharrant: is this your first game of forum mafia? I asked him before but he didn't answer.
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@remedy. lurking is not just about post count. It's mostly about post quality. It's also about when you choose to show up.
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Remedy postpone your suspicion of me until d2 please. Who of the possible lynches, including lurkers, do you want to lynch?
Also guys if we are going to have an choice to lynch a lurker, which one shall it be?
Cubu's filter is just enough to prevent modkill.
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