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Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 07 2012 20:53 GMT
#393
Ok, ninjad.
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Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 07 2012 20:57 GMT
#396
Thanks Keir ... I was already wondering if it is my mind that is failing to understand him ...
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Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 07 2012 21:00 GMT
#397
I'm off to sleep.
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Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 08 2012 18:03 GMT
#457
Risen

I said I can understand his frustration because partially people were accusing him based on his starting post which I have stated more than once seems like a normal fluff post to me. I did vote for him as well but not because of that post.

On September 08 2012 06:06 Risen wrote:
Lynch order: Marv > Dirk > Zeph > Keir > prpl. Pray you guys hit scum sometime in those first three or it's just over anyways.


So this is the lynch order Risen has suggested. Out of his list there are a few players I have my suspicions about. One of them is:

Zeph

Zeph initially started off with a defense of Risen based on meta. When re-reading his case and vote on Risen there is something odd which didn't trigger any bells earlier as I was too preoccupied with Risen's own posts to notice this.

On September 08 2012 01:45 Zephirdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 07:10 Risen wrote:
On September 06 2012 07:06 marvellosity wrote:
prplhz's vote is definitely not worse than Risen's

stop being dumb


You know very well my first post was meant to start discussion and point out some mildly scummy things prpl had said in his post. Then he comes back with an extreme overreaction in the form of OMGUS? Scum.


First time he actually calls prplhz being scum(without actually saying that directly to him) which was after my post.

Point: He thinks prplhz is scum.

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On September 06 2012 08:11 Risen wrote:
On September 06 2012 07:55 marvellosity wrote:
let's not kill prplhz


Why not? He's the scummiest one in thread so far.


He still thinks prplhz is scum


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On September 07 2012 00:54 Risen wrote:
From Zephirdd's post
"Why do you think prplhz is scum? Tell us chronologically."

I never actually thought he was scum, he was just the scummiest guy in a thread of like 3 posters so he got the ball rolling. His reaction has not sat very well with me, but I really don't like your first sentence in that other post about me being town or at least playing to town meta or something. It just feels really superfluous to the point you were trying to make.


Wait a second. I asked you to tell us why did you think he was scum chronologically, which is the moment you first thought he was scum, why was that. But you never actually thought he was scum?

Secondly, he was the scummiest guy in the thread!? I mean, I don't know about you, but the moment I think someone is scummy, is the moment I think someone is scum. There are varying degrees, but that's how it works. If he was the scummiest, how was he NOT scum?

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On September 07 2012 03:31 Risen wrote:
On September 07 2012 03:29 Keirathi wrote:
Also, for that matter, you repeatedly said "prplhz is scum". Except you never actually tried to convince anyone of it. You just kept repeating it ad nauseum, then when people started calling you out on it, you backtracked into saying "I never really thought he was scum anyways".

There's no townie motivation for that. Period.


Except that whole starting discussion thing.

And the fact that I still find prplhz scummy. My backtrack is nonexistent you just keep saying that over and over b/c you have no real point.

I also find you more scummy than prplhz, my vote is where it should be.

What so he is scummy. IS HE SCUM OR NOT RISEN? DO YOU THINK HE IS SCUM OR NOT, AND WHY?
(that was a rhetorical question btw)

-snip-

##unvote
##vote Risen

HAMMER THAT


There is anything wrong with calling someone the scummiest guy in the thread and not being 100% sure if he is scum or not. Especially this early into a game when we only have a handful of posts to judge the alignments of every single player. Yet you paint it as if Risen had contradicted himself. I can see no contradiction in his posting regarding prplhz. Going for an early pressure vote, you can't sound weak or people will not take the pressure seriously. So there is nothing wrong with calling someone scum directly and than when having to clarify stating that he was the scummiest player at that time.

While Keir was following the same line of thought in his own case previously, I feel a town vibe from his posts given the fact that Keir was posting actively and was discussing the said case with Risen. Zeph however only sheeped Keir's case without adding anything substantial of his own. And he only voted when it was pretty sure that Risen was set to be lynched.

Now Zeph is taking an easy way out with this post:

On September 08 2012 12:53 Zephirdd wrote:
In two days I should have some clear reads on players though, making sure who is on whose's side. I'll start with bluelightz - I won't let you get away.


Why does it take you two days to get more reads? As long as we actively hunt for scum there will be discussion in this thread even without Risen and with that everyone of us should be able to get better reads. All you are doing is calling Bluelightz out without applying any real pressure.

Right now, Zeph's play feels incredibly scummy. I have yet to see real scum hunting. Instead all I see is sheeping another player's case in voting a town player. No effort in looking for scum yourself. Because you yourself are scum?

@Bluelightz: What made you decide to vote for V7 and not one of the other players whom you haven't commented on. I suppose you have a null read on the rest of us as well?
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Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 08 2012 18:05 GMT
#458
@marv and Dirk:

What makes you guys suspicious of vader7?
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Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 08 2012 18:27 GMT
#461
@Keir: What do you think of Zeph?
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Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 08 2012 18:29 GMT
#463
@prplhz: Do you think that I am scum?
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Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 08 2012 18:43 GMT
#465
I must have missed it sorry.

Reasons for voting him are in my filter. Basically it's the contradiction in his stance regarding marv (marv switches his vote off of him is scummy. marv switches his vote back to him is scummy) and the fact that he flip-flopped his scum reads all the time.


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Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 08 2012 18:43 GMT
#466
@prplhz: What do you think about Zeph?
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Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 08 2012 18:46 GMT
#467
EBWOP:

You have only voiced suspicions on Risen and Keir. With Risen dead and Keir taken off of your list who is your scum read right now?
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Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 08 2012 22:27 GMT
#473
GG guys. And I was so excited that I'd have more time in the next days to play
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Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 10 2012 21:59 GMT
#660
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Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
September 14 2012 05:23 GMT
#910
GG scum Especially well played by Keir!!!

I've never been nightkilled before, observing the game from the sidelines was somehow really frustrating especially with the low activity. I don't know if I'd have been able to catch both scum but I'm sure that at least I'd have been able to push for more activity ^^ It was sad that I had started to give my first better read on Zeph and not on another player, maybe that would have been more useful
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