Er, I don't think I voted him as an "I want to survive" tactic, I voted kville before I was ever accused, if you look at the order of posts/timestamps.

drazak

United States479 Posts

September 03 2012 20:59 GMT

#315

Only have a second to post, I am ok with keeping kville if he is being replaced, so I will vote for cubu. Sorry, on my phone.

drazak

United States479 Posts

September 04 2012 13:53 GMT

#351

I don't think I'm going to try and make any reads until we see who mafia kills. I think Stutters and Kville are both good options at the moment, and I'd really still like to see kville go because he made almost no contributions.

Regarding lynching Cubu, it wasn't due to how his posts looked, I could care less. I felt the content of his posts was lacking and poorly thought out. A lot of my posts will have and have had poor formatting.

drazak

United States479 Posts

September 04 2012 14:29 GMT

#355

Uhm, by "looking" I meant formatted/spelling/grammar, unless it's obviously because of nerves. The meaning and content are what are important.

drazak

United States479 Posts

September 04 2012 21:16 GMT

#376

I don't think this is a particularly bad policy, don't know that it's going to help kville's attitude, but that seems to be just a bonus if it does. I think it might be a good idea to all actually vote for kville at the start of tomorrow, anything less and it's just a threat.

drazak

United States479 Posts

September 05 2012 01:27 GMT

#390

If we have a medic, while he was a good town read I'm not sure if a medic would save him or another strong town read.

drazak

United States479 Posts

September 05 2012 01:38 GMT

#392

Not to demean his memory, but he could have been good mafia convincing us he was town and trying to lead us into bad lynches.

drazak

United States479 Posts

September 05 2012 01:40 GMT

#394

I'm saying from a medic's point of view, I wasn't sure about him myself. Obviously he WAS town, but he had a lot of town power which isn't always a good thing.

drazak

United States479 Posts

September 05 2012 02:55 GMT

#400

On September 04 2012 03:01 kushm4sta wrote:
Why town should all vote for cuba

Worst case scenario:he flips green
No big deal, we lynched the worst townie (barring WeeTee whose behavior fits his meta like a glove, and kville who is being replaced). From his posts it's clear he has no intention of contributing more than he is already, which is nothing. Plus that would give thrawn some serious town points in my book, since he refuses to vote for him. Thrawn is good for town atmosphere and very active. It would be quite useful to our scumhunt if we could trust thrawn.

Best case scenario: he is mafia
If Cuba is mafia, I think there is a very high chance that thrawn is also mafia. In which case we will know 2 mafia first day and basically win the game.
People who are specifically against lynching cuba: cuba, thrawn.
People who have voted for or accused drazak: cuba, thrawn.
Twice now thrawn has attempted to redirect the lynch vote away from cuba onto somebody else.
Thrawn says he won't vote for cuba because unlike stutters, cuba has participated in the scumhunt. By scumhunt you mean his failed attempt to bandwagon drazak with you?

We need three more votes on cuba.

I'm bringing this post, and Kushm4sta into suspiscion. It seemed like you didn't actually think Cubu was mafia. Your reasoning (and lack there of) makes it clear that you weren't voting because you thought Cubu was mafia, but because you thought there was a slim chance of it and that then Thrawn would be a townie. T I think you might be mafia trying to lead town into bad lynches.

Why would you vote people who you don't think are mafia if you're town? I think you're mafia, Kush.

##Vote Kushm4sta

drazak

United States479 Posts

September 05 2012 04:06 GMT

#404

Answer my questions, kushm4sta. I'm not accusing random people, I'm basing an accusation on fact. This is how you find things out in mafia. Trying to throw my suspiscions away like that is VERY mafia like. You're not making the case for yourself any better Kush.

drazak

United States479 Posts

September 05 2012 04:38 GMT

#407

So, you weren't actually scum hunting, why weren't you scum hunting? Couldn't figure out who to lynch and actually make a good case for because you're mafia? Just because thrawn called you town doesn't make you town.

For the record, town doesn't need a leader, a leader can hurt a town more than help, if the leader is mafia, we're all fucked. Saying that you're the most active doesn't actually make you town. We agreed that the only deciding factor is that being too lurker-ish is scummy. Active does not equate to town.

Accusing me because I'm accusing you is a very bad idea, that's like, the #1 worse scum defense. So tell me, with logical terms, good reasons, and actual evidence, who your best two scum reads are?

drazak

United States479 Posts

September 06 2012 04:46 GMT

#463

I have half a post written regarding kush's poor defense, will post it when I go to bed (and pull out my laptop).

drazak

United States479 Posts

September 06 2012 04:50 GMT

#464

EBWOP it's on my other computer, which is why I'm not finishing it now, heh.

drazak

United States479 Posts

September 06 2012 08:28 GMT

#468

Alright, I was afk most of the day.

First I'd like to point something out about Kush's posting behavior, he tries to downplay my accusations, and say that my case is bad, deciding that there is almost no case against him in his first responding post. Kush goes on to make /4/ posts responding to my accusation and then accusing me. In his posts, he either delays replying to me, which if my argument is weak, makes no sense, it should be simple to pick apart. In the meantime, I've been afk and have made 0. This seems like a bit over an overreaction if he's innocent and my accusation is weak.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16133744
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16133615
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16144834
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16140589

You sir, have made a big slip, every time you're accused you throw it right back at your accuser, this is the weakest of the defenses, espescially when your case is weak.

I urge the rest of the town to actually look at my arguments, instead of dismissing them as a weak case, look through kush's filter, and the posts I've described and linked, he's made a large scumslip here, at first my accusations were fairly tenative due to having only moderate evidence, but instead of his defense making my case weaker, he's made it stronger.

P.S. sorry for taking so long to post, was going to hours ago and then had dinner with a friend, when I got home I had other stuff to do on my other pc, and then fell asleep for a little after I got my laptop out.

drazak

United States479 Posts

September 06 2012 08:32 GMT

#471

Thanks for posting my D1 accusations of kville, he doesn't try, doesn't post, and we can't even read him. This is why I felt he was a better D1 lynch than a D2+ lynch. Cubu had posts and a defense and stuff, we could read him.

drazak

United States479 Posts

September 06 2012 08:40 GMT

#474

I'm honestly a little surprised others aren't chiming in on this, you seem to be the only one kreb. I'll have some more suspiscions for you in the morning, gotta read filters/etc and I've only slept a little.

drazak

United States479 Posts

September 06 2012 09:03 GMT

#477

My accusation wasn't out of nowhere, I made a read based on what happened, I reasoned, carefully. I saw that Kush wasn't scumhunting day 1. If you're not scumhunting, you're not furthering town, if you're not furthering town... you're mafia. I then saw kush slipped by overreacting to me. Feel free to poke holes in my actual reasoning instead of calling me scum for making a reasoned accusation.

drazak

United States479 Posts

September 06 2012 09:05 GMT

#478

Accusations are how you gain information, you pressure people, find out what they're thinking, see how they react. I was pressured, generally you guys decided my reaction was town. I pressured kush and he scumslipped and you're not doing anything, wow.

drazak

United States479 Posts

September 06 2012 22:05 GMT

#550

I'm voting for you, Kville, like I voted for you on D1. We still can't read you, but you're useless, and if you're not helping town you're either mafia or really bad town. The rest of the town have made efforts to help town, which means you are the odd man out.

drazak

United States479 Posts

September 06 2012 22:28 GMT

#554

Er, no, sorry, there were some votes in THIS thread, and I voted for him in THIS thread thinking it would be counted (like other votes were(. I'm not hiding votes, it's right there in the open, I haven't dropped jack shit but there isn't time for you all to respond to my accusations on Kush, it'll have to wait for night/D3.