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On September 14 2012 14:06 strongandbig wrote:
We should be killing Mav today.
He hasn't made a real read all game, and now comes out with a town-case on Gravan. We still don't have any scumhunting out of him, and town cases are easy for scum to make. I think he saw the writing on the wall and this is a ploy, and we shouldn't fall for it. It's not a case where the only motive was town; it's also very smart scum play, regardless of Gravan's alignment. A push on Gravan by Mav would just be dismissed, so this is his top option.
Good point. But I think we should still lynch Grav first, and Mav later. My read on Mav has slipped into scum territory after his soft defense of Gravan. I don't understand why he would try so hard to cast Grav's actions in the light of being a newbie town... then at the very end say Grav is either town or scum trying to look newbie, and he can't tell which. Soft defense at its finest.
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These are my top lynch candidates at the moment:
Gravan
Maverick
I also have a strong townread on SnB, and my previous townread on sloosh is slipping into null territory after his weak list above.
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That being said I am dead set on lynching Grav today, and Mav tomorrow. In order to make it so that scum can't sway the vote, we need to stay united.
VOTE GRAV TODAY
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On September 14 2012 09:05 grush57 wrote:
HOW DARE YOU PUT FALSE LEADS WHEN YOU'RE ABOUT TO DIE SCUM.
Quit trolling. What are your reads on the situation? We have lynch candidates Mav and Grav.
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On September 14 2012 20:13 Bill Murray wrote:
As for ACTIVE players, I'd like to lynch Kreb. He flip flopped saying I'm town, then went to wanting to lynch me and grush... over our PLAYSTYLE? Seems like scum pushing policy as opposed to having any semblance of logic. He also wants to lynch Gravan, who, while I suspected early is still primarily a policy lynch... but days after it should have occurred, if it was going to. It just seems like he's sheeping the reads he picks up on in the thread on townies/Power Roles.
in Kreb's scumhunting case, you don't see him focus on 1 candidate as a town role would, but rather highlight players black like scum would, as per hunting assassins. He does put players like myself and Gravan in red.
Another point is his interaction with Austin. He was getting information off Austin in response to his read on me (which he flipflopped on in 10 minutes? get real), and Toad. It just feels really fishy. Sometimes, words fall short.
Would love to lynch Kreb
BM, I'm not sure why you're so certain that Grav is a policy lynch. As I've said before, he lies, he actively lurks, he sheeped a mislynch with super-poor reasoning--what else do you want?
Furthermore, even if your view is that Kreb is scum, let Kreb wait until tomorrow. Today is for Grav, and we lynch the bastard.
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On September 14 2012 20:18 Bill Murray wrote:
Players like Grav/Rewok (who I was voting - and is probably ACTUALLY a scum lurker... idiot) are completely different as per lurker meta. Some lurkers are town and blue (like grav is) whereas Rewok is scum lurker (likely power role like scum vig/assassin)
You think Grav is blue?
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On September 14 2012 20:17 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 20:14 Shady Sands wrote:On September 14 2012 09:05 grush57 wrote:
HOW DARE YOU PUT FALSE LEADS WHEN YOU'RE ABOUT TO DIE SCUM. Quit trolling. What are your reads on the situation? We have lynch candidates Mav and Grav. both are town. I'm not down to lynch either. Sit down.
I'm not going to sit down until Grav gets lynched. Why do you think Grav is blue?
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On September 14 2012 20:25 Bill Murray wrote:
LOL @ SS reaction to me saying Grav is blue
SS Knows I'm good at picking blues (with the vigilante callout on Austin) so he is trying to use me to decipher who he should nightkill. SS is totally scum. Nice rolefishing.
Rolefishing, + pushing my posts off the page ... I snagged the top post of the page for town, though, so it's all good. Plus I got a little humor out of it with that Krebs-vote-psycheout.
HEre is someone I've been wanting to lynch all game: ShadySands. I've voted him multiple times, it feels like, and he is completely, and obtusely against any semblance of confirmation. He has spoken out against me... BUT ASKS WHY I THINK GRAVAN IS BLUE... RESPECTING ME... and he has spoken out against Toad, who appears town to me.
his buddies are Darth Punk, Sloosh, Krebs
##Vote: Shady Sands
First off, I don't know you're good at picking blues. I've never played with you. Second, how does me asking you why you think Grav is blue relate to whether I would shoot him if I was scum? Wouldn't I just be interested in knowing that Grav was blue, without wondering why you thought of him as scum?
So I ask again. Why do you think Grav is blue? I don't want to do a BKE mislynch, of course, but right now nothing he's done suggests to me he is a blue.
Instead, how about you spend some of your time looking at Grav, and seeing how you can construe his actions as anything but scummy?
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On September 14 2012 20:27 Bill Murray wrote:
Forgot Gravan voted him. That makes two votes on SS, who is going to be flipping red, and bleeding it on our shoes, after we guillotine his neck into tiny little bits.
viva le resistance! down with the mafia!
all my men, come together! around me!
BM, if you're town, you're doing a piss-poor job of actually scumhunting right now. All you've done over the past two pages is troll people and flip your reactions around like crazy, making yourself basically unreadable.
Scum don't need to read you to know whether you're town or not. Town does need to read you to know whether you are town or not. So shape up your posting.
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Looool. As soon as I tell BM that his trolling his helping scum, he immediately switches to lurking.
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On September 14 2012 21:04 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 20:31 Shady Sands wrote:On September 14 2012 20:25 Bill Murray wrote:
LOL @ SS reaction to me saying Grav is blue
SS Knows I'm good at picking blues (with the vigilante callout on Austin) so he is trying to use me to decipher who he should nightkill. SS is totally scum. Nice rolefishing.
Rolefishing, + pushing my posts off the page ... I snagged the top post of the page for town, though, so it's all good. Plus I got a little humor out of it with that Krebs-vote-psycheout.
HEre is someone I've been wanting to lynch all game: ShadySands. I've voted him multiple times, it feels like, and he is completely, and obtusely against any semblance of confirmation. He has spoken out against me... BUT ASKS WHY I THINK GRAVAN IS BLUE... RESPECTING ME... and he has spoken out against Toad, who appears town to me.
his buddies are Darth Punk, Sloosh, Krebs
##Vote: Shady Sands
First off, I don't know you're good at picking blues. I've never played with you. Second, how does me asking you why you think Grav is blue relate to whether I would shoot him if I was scum? Wouldn't I just be interested in knowing that Grav was blue, without wondering why you thought of him as scum? So I ask again. Why do you think Grav is blue? I don't want to do a BKE mislynch, of course, but right now nothing he's done suggests to me he is a blue. Instead, how about you spend some of your time looking at Grav, and seeing how you can construe his actions as anything but scummy? My only answer is, as town ... which I guess there is a farfetched chance you are... you need to not rolefish. It makes you look like scum, which is why my vote is on you. I haven't felt this strongly about a vote since I was voting Mattchew for slipping.
Well I'm not rolefishing Grav, if that's what you're concerned about. I'm dead certain he's scum and I'm trying to convince you. However, so far your justification for not voting him simply consists of "he's blue". That's why I'm asking you why you think he's blue.
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On September 14 2012 21:03 Bill Murray wrote:
ShadySands, you're spamming even more than me, so don't tell me to shape up my posting
The difference is I called you out on it first, so you're parroting. Add that to flipflopping, plus your spam being strategical in natural (whereas mine is meta as town), and you're facing a solid case
Shady, you know why I'm voting you; you're scum.
I'm not critiquing you for spamming, I'm critiquing you for trolling. There's a difference. Trolling is when you post with no intent of seriousness. It's what you and GRush have been doing all game. It makes you unreadable. That's anti-town.
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On September 14 2012 21:16 Bill Murray wrote:
I don't troll. You rolefished. You failed my RXN test
RXN? And let's not detract from the original question:
Why do you think Grav is blue?
or better yet
Why do you think Grav is not scum?
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On September 14 2012 21:28 Bill Murray wrote:
you mean your rolefishing, one of my 3-4 reasons for voting you? like where you failed the reaction by posting that? i don't know he's blue. I was seeing if you would rolefish. you did. get over it.
You're dodging my question. You said Gravan was town and blue. So:
Why do you think Gravan is blue? AKA Why do you think he is not town?
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On September 14 2012 21:29 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 12:14 slOosh wrote:
Guhh ... why do you guys wait until now to play properly?
What Maverick did just now was a very very town thing. Feigning activity and making cases is easy. Calling the runner up lynch candidate town when you have the most votes is not. The only motivation to do that is that you are town, and you think this person is town. You can see that he doesn't value his specific survival over the town's interests. His case really shows his thinking process and also clarifies past contradictions (e.g. he left out Graven from his scum reads) - consistency like this is hard to setup as scum.
Gravan ... it's really weird with him. As Maverick points out he is playing consistently (regardless of quality). I remember thinking he was newbie town making lots of mistakes, and it could be he is scummy because of this. Also strange is the nature of the maverick counter wagon. Still thinking this one through.
ShiaoPi: his treatment of Mav is townish. Timezones are timezones. Select stuff in his filter make me think he is town and explain his actions but will not divulge unless there is a large enough body of evidence against him.
This leaves me with two people:
SnB has not cared at all about the past two lynches. You can see from his filter that he jumps on the Forumite lynch with little to contribute while also discrediting Rewok. He jumps on the maverick lynch with little to add and also makes sure people know that everyone could be scum ("MMT made the case on Mav but you never know maybe he is scum"). His latest posts are pure setup speculation. He treats Toad very strangely - I'm not sure if he thinks Toad might be scum and hunting for reactions or he is pretending to engage in meaningful conversation.
Toad is someone who has flared up upon a proper reread of the Z-Boson mad hatter business. I originally thought him town after our little spat at the start of the game. However if you reread his filter carefully, you will notice that he uses "vet balance" to get Forumite lynched, but after that he says "oh I guess I was wrong, oh well". He seemed to taunt Z-boson near deadline and called for vig shots on him even if he was town because he would die anyway. I know I said mafia wouldn't kill a potential mad hatter but I forgot that there is a very good chance of a roleblocker in the game, as we still don't know about austin's 2nd shot. I find the explanations for his dismissal of SnB and BM to be beyond just strange, as he is ignoring possible scum on raw setup speculation.
Thoughts please, we need to get this lynch right. dude, that's totally not working if I announced it yesterday 
Toad, read over the recent debate between BM and I. BM says Gravan is town and blue; when I ask him why, he accuses me of rolefishing.
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On September 14 2012 21:43 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 21:40 Shady Sands wrote:On September 14 2012 21:28 Bill Murray wrote:
you mean your rolefishing, one of my 3-4 reasons for voting you? like where you failed the reaction by posting that? i don't know he's blue. I was seeing if you would rolefish. you did. get over it. You're dodging my question. You said Gravan was town and blue. So: Why do you think Gravan is blue? AKA Why do you think he is not town? ^he just megaslipped here he's scum and bluefishing. he just said "blue" means "not town" LOL
How is this bluefishing? You said he was blue. I am asking you why you think he is blue.
also, great job picking up on a typo. Obviously "blue" should mean "not scum".
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On September 14 2012 21:46 Toadesstern wrote:
I read it and he's right you are.
I doubt you'd be rolefishing so openly as mafia though.
Obviously a mafia would want to know whether the townie (assuming you are mafia and BM is town) is right or just found some bullshit to figure out if a kill is on *supposed to be blue* is needed or good. I'd say a mafia is going to read the filter or tell his buddies about it so that they read it (because people are lazy).
Townies sadly end up rolefishing quite a lot in games because they think that will somehow improve their reads on someone or they think that everything somehow makes sense once you figured that out.
So I'm not giving to much into you rolefishing although you are.
Toad, how am I rolefishing? I've been pushing a Grav wagon for 20+ hours now, and BM said we shouldn't lynch Grav because he is blue. I went in and asked why he thought Grav was blue, because if BM doesn't give me any reasons why he thinks Grav is blue AKA not scum, then how can I persuade BM that Grav is scum?
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On September 14 2012 21:49 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 21:48 Shady Sands wrote:On September 14 2012 21:43 Bill Murray wrote:On September 14 2012 21:40 Shady Sands wrote:On September 14 2012 21:28 Bill Murray wrote:
you mean your rolefishing, one of my 3-4 reasons for voting you? like where you failed the reaction by posting that? i don't know he's blue. I was seeing if you would rolefish. you did. get over it. You're dodging my question. You said Gravan was town and blue. So: Why do you think Gravan is blue? AKA Why do you think he is not town? ^he just megaslipped here he's scum and bluefishing. he just said "blue" means "not town" LOL How is this bluefishing? You said he was blue. I am asking you why you think he is blue. also, great job picking up on a typo. Obviously "blue" should mean "not scum". how is this bluefishing? You answered: you were asking me why I think he is blue... LOL a typo, you say? so you're admitting you slipped... good. Oh, wait, you're making EXCUSES. FRY.
How is asking you why you think someone is blue rolefishing?
I asked you why you thought he was blue because I pushed you to lynch him and you said no because he was town and blue without any further justification.
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On September 14 2012 21:48 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 21:40 Shady Sands wrote:On September 14 2012 21:28 Bill Murray wrote:
you mean your rolefishing, one of my 3-4 reasons for voting you? like where you failed the reaction by posting that? i don't know he's blue. I was seeing if you would rolefish. you did. get over it. You're dodging my question. You said Gravan was town and blue. So: Why do you think Gravan is blue? AKA Why do you think he is not town? Did you just say You said blue... "gravan is blue?" into really... Really? Mattchew 2.0, except this time it is subconsciously a slip on his part, as opposed to Mattchew derping at this point, from your alls perspective A.) BM is trolling 1. that's what scum want you to believe a. because it is a case from town b. because it is a case on scum 2. I don't troll, so cross out A. on your list/self-meta a. self meta is unreliable? . it is a player to player basis . my self meta is reliable B.)BM caught/forced Shady Sands to slip *please pick me!!* C.) BM is bussing ShadySands 1. I don't bus a. see 2. a. 2. If I was to bus, I would pick someone less active/with a bad thread image a. Shady Sands actually has a good thread image b. Shady Sands is active However, logically, this should prove I am not trolling, and that I honestly feel he not only failed my reaction test, but then slipped in deciphering blue = not town to him, and in his mind he's trying to act town, so thus his logical flaw of "im mafia... im not town" versus his in thread of "i'm town, u guise" clashed into this atrocity of him saying blue=not town.
BM
Again. Why do you think Gravan is not scum?
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I've asked you this question in ten different times over the past 40 posts, and yet all you've done is accuse me of bluefishing.
Why do you think Gravan is not scum AKA Why do you think Gravan is blue AKA Why shouldn't we lynch Gravan?
These are all equivalent questions, and to make this some attempt to rolefish is just stupid. Given that you're a mafia vet you should know better.
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