TL Mafia LVII - Page 5

On September 14 2012 04:32 Mementoss wrote:


Why you voting Mav, its already been acknowledged that the problem of this game are posts exactly like this one.

What do you think about slooshs find; Does it means SnB is scum or what

If you could explain how BM plays that would be nice.

On September 14 2012 05:22 Shady Sands wrote:
Gravan's above post is anti-town defensive play at its scummy worst. In addition to my prior charges against him, now I can say he's lying as well:

First off, he says I'm actively lurking. I'm not. Actively lurking would be posting heavily and having a 10 or 15 page filter without substance. I'm simply lurking. I even say it myself that my activity level is low.

Second, he says I started a bandwagon on him based on Forumite's green flip. That's an oversimplification. I started the wagon on Gravan because he piled onto Forumite when the case on Forumite was all but assured, using other people's analysis as his own reasoning, in an attempt to look contributory. The fact that Forumite flipped green is just icing on the cake. Grav's trying to twist the truth here; don't fall for it.

Third, the vig hit was called out because of my case on Gravan before the Day post came around. Gravan even quotes it in his post.





Again, don't fall for Grav's lies. I already called for a vig hit there with evidence, so why should I clutter up the thread and repeat what I wrote?

Fourth, of course I'm going to keep the heat on Gravan: he is the scummiest read I have, so shouldn't I be trying to get my top scumread lynched?

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Now, onto his defense:

Grav posts a lot about how he shares a ton of characteristics with many other people. This is a non-defense. How does sharing a bunch of scummy characteristics with other people make you less likely to be a scum?

Then says that people who are voting for him specifically are voting because:



Hang on a second: Grav wasn't the first wagon: the wagon on MMToss started at the same time as his did. (Another lie.) Second, the other reasons are all great reasons to vote for Grav specifically: The D1 post about Matt--soft defense of someone that was later a scum caught trying to fakeclaim. The active lurkiness--both of those reasons, if you believe them, should put Grav at the top of your list of scum reads.

And to those reasons which he himself admits to, we can also add the reason of lying.

Lynch Grav, the actively lurking, OMGUS-ing, lying, soft-defending, scum.

On September 14 2012 05:26 Shady Sands wrote:

You still didn't answer the question. How does that make Mav scum?

Also, look at Grav, and tell me you don't see a scum.

Today is for Grav. Tomorrow is for MMToss or maybe Mav, once I finish reading his filter. I am not switching my vote to anyone but Grav, and I hope everyone here understands that and can show this scumbastard the noose.

On September 15 2012 07:38 slOosh wrote:

You get biggest cookie. But please don't get lazy I can't do all the work.

On September 17 2012 17:51 DarthPunk wrote:


Hi. I am just rereading it all again. But some things to note so far.

Shady looks extremely scummy from the last passage of play. He really Pushed for a mislynch on gravan even with better candidates who were even more guilty of similar things. (rewok) and the byplay during the previous nights play has really looked bad for him. I have played and obsed shady for 3 out of his 4 games and his meta has been 100% out from those games. Which included a scum game. One thing about that though is that I would absolutely expect shady to have been in the thread pushing a read or defending himself. Something which he has not really done at all recently. I think he is a good lynch candidate. For me it is weird because I had a town read on him this game. But I guess I was wrong.





This post where he thinks that everyone but him who voted for Gravan is scummy seems like a ploy to misdirect attention away from himself, especially after he pushed it so hard and pointedly asked for people to vote for him. He then finds no one on this list scummy and pushes on BM.

Further. I am concerned about the Following players.

BM

Rewok

Grush

I think scum could easily be hiding in the midst of those three. I had a town read on BM amazingly (this was mainly due to the consistent assurances of the vets that he was probably town.) but reading through. The 2 people who made these claims flipped 3rd party and as toad said. THEY HAD A VESTED INTEREST IN DERAILING TOWN as we were so far ahead after the mattchew lynch and gk flip.

So BM is worrying due to his playstyle being unreadable and all the assurances about him were from non town.

Rewok is hard lurking and only makes one post for his vote. and then sheeps the popular choice.

Grush is trolling or doesn't give a shit.

All these players are a liability during LYLO. I still feel BM is townie just due to the fact that he seems to actually give a shit about town.

The other two clearly do not give a shit about town. And that makes me fucking nervous.

I have a strong town read on Kreb. He is playing really well and is actively pro town. Especially as a replacement.

Also I don;t think this has been posted so I got it together quickly. (if it has I apologise)

DAY 4 VOTECOUNT

S&B Sloosh, MMToss, Mav, Kreb, Imallinson, Hopeless

Gravan Rewok, SS, Shiao Pi, Toad, DarthPunk

Maverick32X S&B, Grush57

Shady Sands BM

On September 18 2012 09:26 Kreb wrote:
Worth noting on Grush too: Hes called lots of people scummy, but the following three posts were the only three I could find where he was (very very soft) defending people.

On the BKE case:


On a post made by Z-Boson targetted at S&B:




These are the only times he attempted to defend someone. One flipped green, but he also expressed that he'd be willing to vote for him. One flipped red. The third is still in the game (and Im very suspicious of).

On September 19 2012 03:28 imallinson wrote:
I've been real busy with uni work which is why I've been a bit absent recently. I don't understand Shiao's reads. I don't see how the two last people to join the lynch on SnB are scum. If we were why the hell would we bus our team mate when the vote was 6 on Gravan and 4 on SnB. We could have easily just left it as it was and got a mislynch. Kreb's reads seem much more plausible as both BM and Grush have seemed really anti town all game and could see one or both of them being scum.

On September 19 2012 01:17 ShiaoPi wrote:
First off sorry for being absent until now, I just had a really busy day and just got to catching up with the thread....

Looks like I should have let paranoia get the best of me >_>
gg shady, screw your busy schedule :D

I am going to give out all my reads, because I am most likely dead after the night.
We have these players left
grush
BM
Darthpunk
imallinson
hopeless
kreb
ShiaoPi (yeah I am confirmed to myself )

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Let's take a closer look:
First off we got the trolly unreadable duo of Grush/BM: I have played several games with grush but I still have no fucking clue how to read him, had him once as townie once as scum and was both times wrong....
Considering BM I also do not have a clue, although he does not read really properly he still seems to kind of give a shit, so yep null on him too >_> They could both be very well scum but there is nothing definite....

Next up, DarthPunk:
He is most probably town, his willingness to stay up late (I feel for you too my timezone-plagued brethren), eagerness to discuss things and the general feel he gives out of his posts, what bothers me a bit is the lack of activity lately but I am willing to give him the BOTD in regards to his private life etc.. Another kind of worrying thing is how he buddied up to me after I claimed, also he has been on easy targets (ottox, Gravan, rewok) and his recent attempts to get Kreb lynched do not sit well with me, but generally said I see a low probability of him being scum, if he is indeed red, then congratulations, you fooled me.

Imallinson:
He could very well be scum. I am having a null read leaning scum on him at the moment. First off, noticed something? Yeah he completely vanished after dropping the vote on shady, never posted since then again. Also as I checked through his filter, there is not much of meaningful contribution, the only "case" he did was on Gravan who flipped green. He has also generally been a non-factor in this game, flying perfectly under the radar as people focused on other "lurkers" instead of pursuing him. The only thing which keeps me back from having a clear scumread on him is the fact that he slightly bussed mattchew, although that is kind of a weak indicator seeing how his whole fakeclaim played out and that he was on the giant switch onto SnB. What is notable though on his vote on SnB is that he did not hammer him, so it could have been a bus anyway.

Hopeless:
Hopeless is ridiculously similar to Imallinson. He is also a non-factor in this game so far (besides the SnB lynch, more on that later). Take a look at his filter, its short anyway. He starts off with a soft defense of Mattchew, while accusing Forumite at the same time. After palmar pretty much kills matt he jumps on the wagon like everybody else. He then gets targeted N1 and defends himself extensively, but continues to go after Forumite. Come D2 though he apparently "forgets" about Forumite and joins the bandwagon on BKE. As soon as Forumite is back on the chopping block he tunnels him to no end, continuously pushing him. He then proceeds to sheep SnB's case on mav before switching it up 3 minutes to deadline without any comment on why or how he came to the conclusion that the person he sheeped was scum in the end. This looks like an incredibly easy bus to me. He had been a non-factor this game so far, occasionaly being thrown into shit as part of the lurker brigade but then he hammers a scum in a last minute switch, easy as pie to get town cred until the end of the game. He is actually my strongest read at the moment, so please please lynch him!
Also look at the rest of his posts, there is like ZERO content besides the case on Forumite. Hopeless cruised by until now (he has been gone from the thread just as imallinson), time to poke him until he dies.

Kreb:
He replaced in for Milton who had been lurking pretty hard. Even as replacement he got a bigger filter than hopeless and I have a townread on him. His actions so far seemed pretty townie to me, he has been contributive, sharing his reads and thoughts and been an active part of town so far. The effort he put into pressuring toad is also remarkable, just compare his filter with hopeless' and imallinsons its ridiculous how a replacement is that much more of a factor in the game than two people from the very beginning.

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Look at my list, I want to lynch into one of these two Imallinson, Hopeless1der, priority on Hopeless1der since I am much more certain on him. Also I'll be tracking one of those two, have fun wifoming Mafia, if you let me survive.