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Oh excuse me I thought when you said you don't believe my claim you meant that you don't believe my claim.
My bad, I didn't realize you're actually believing me but at the same time thinking I'm mafia who's making up bullshit.
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Btw I obviously lied about the tracker but needed to claim something to figure out wether or not I can get better chances and one more cycle or not, that's why I claimed at night.
Apparently the chances are not good because people thought I'm mafia once I started to derail the thread on purpose so town won't win by a rockslide after the n1 disaster :p
Anyways, had to take my chances and I shot Graven. Let's hope I get an bullseye :p
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btw sorry at everyone for playing 140% hypno-toad. I totally intended my role to be played like a town aligned survivor and just not get lynched while randomly checking people and hoping the other assassin just gets lynched. And I really did that early on but after n1 was over (so starting something like 2nd half of d2 or something like that) I thought I had to make this game as impossible to scumhunt for town as possible or town will just crush mafia before I get the chance to win.
Ultimately that almost got me lynched although I still played with a town mindset (just a gonzaw-style town mindset).
So yeah, kind of saw myself to do a Palmar (from AC) although I didn't want to 
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On September 24 2012 07:24 Toadesstern wrote:btw sorry at everyone for playing 140% hypno-toad. I totally intended my role to be played like a town aligned survivor and just not get lynched while randomly checking people and hoping the other assassin just gets lynched. And I really did that early on but after n1 was over (so starting something like 2nd half of d2 or something like that) I thought I had to make this game as impossible to scumhunt for town as possible or town will just crush mafia before I get the chance to win. Ultimately that almost got me lynched although I still played with a town mindset (just a gonzaw-style town mindset). So yeah, kind of saw myself forced to do a Palmar (from AC) although I didn't want to
EBWOP, we're allowed to edit every post-game, right? :p
Btw I really took a shot n1 and so did sloOsh I think. Most pro-town 3rd parties EVER.
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On September 24 2012 07:28 Z-BosoN wrote:
Reading the scum qt, my mad hatter idea was not that bad actually
As I had suspected, I was gonna get shot anyways. At least my death would confirm toad town/assassin, and in case a medic did indeed save toad, I would have gotten saved.
except for the fact that people did not understand and pressed for my lynch for some reason nevertheless lol.
I was so scared when you claimed mad hatter and just played cool while going "shitshitshit, if he really blows up I'm confirmed assassin" in my room :p
No way in hell would I have shot you as mafia even though I did those "yeah that's a fake" posts.
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On September 24 2012 07:33 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2012 07:32 Toadesstern wrote:On September 24 2012 07:28 Z-BosoN wrote:
Reading the scum qt, my mad hatter idea was not that bad actually
As I had suspected, I was gonna get shot anyways. At least my death would confirm toad town/assassin, and in case a medic did indeed save toad, I would have gotten saved. except for the fact that people did not understand and pressed for my lynch for some reason nevertheless lol. I was so scared when you claimed mad hatter and just played cool while going "shitshitshit, if he really blows up I'm confirmed assassin" in my room :p No way in hell would I have shot you as mafia even though I did those "yeah that's a fake" posts. you should really have found sloosh. No idea how you didn't.
I had a timestap mistake. I had him down as "can't be assassin" because he was one of the three guys nonstop asking "why is Toad still alive?" and I thought that post was 2 days ago when in fact it was only 1 day ago.
If it was 2 days ago I figured I'd be already dead if sloOsh really was 3rd party so I never considered him until the very last moment and tossed a coin between 3 guys: sloOsh, the guy I shot and someone else who had a shitton of Assassin mentions in his filter while the other 8 or 9 guys never mentioned the Assassin role once.
So yeah, that's why I never considered him.
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On September 24 2012 13:37 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2012 09:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 24 2012 09:46 strongandbig wrote:On September 24 2012 07:28 Z-BosoN wrote:
Reading the scum qt, my mad hatter idea was not that bad actually
As I had suspected, I was gonna get shot anyways. At least my death would confirm toad town/assassin, and in case a medic did indeed save toad, I would have gotten saved. Your claim was really effective imo. Instead of shooting someone who actually looked townie we shot you to try and get a double kill. You basically managed to confirm toad and to make us use a shot to kill you instead of letting you get lynched. And for this game - I disagree about the victory feeling hollow. I recognize that my play was terrible but I still feel pretty good right now. Still pissed at mattchew though. That was just super dumb. TBH I honestly do not feel his claim was "super dumb" as everyone makes it out to be. It was stupid in retrospect but the OP did not indicate that NN were unaware of their alignment and if you read the thread up until I outed him for it no one was attacking him for his claim being fake as hell, but that it was more oddly claimed. Even before Palmar confirmed they did not know their alignment the town should have realized something was amiss when literally no one else claimed NN to verify mattchews claim. That in its own right should have been the proof to get him lynched barring a mod post. Had it not been for a player such as myself, and any other player who has hosted (very few I believe in this game) near no one else thought to even ask so the claim was only bad given that certain people were almost sure to ask questions. For the rest of your team play though I think you guys were slightly too passive and should have exerted a bit more control. You guys could have easily pushed a misslynch onto a few people with a bit of effort and when it came down to the lynch snb died in I have no idea well, how you did. Given that a mafia member was required to get you lynched over a townie you could have coasted safely by never having allinson vote for your death thus auto win the game basically. lynching me wasn't a team decision or anything. imallinson just did it while I was off playing dota, and I'm still not sure why he did. and re the fake nosy neighbor claim, claiming like that is "super dumb" in an open setup where it is actually verifiable. If you're going to do it at all it should only be done either in games where self-aware millers are confirmed to exist or in games with a closed setup like deathnote, where I had just done the exact same thing but where I knew that the hosts wouldn't tell anyone how the miller mechanic worked or even whether there was one.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with doing the following via pm:
"sup Palmar, your OP doesn't exactly state it but something in there *include whatever reason here* makes me think the millers/NNs are self-aware. Is that true? I'm kind of considering to claim that"
"no dude they're not"
"kk thanks, almost claimed NN! :p"
/// Edit: I mean even if Palmar answers with bullshit like "can't tell you that" that means that if someone else asks the same question they won't get confirmation either which means you're good to go. ///
I really don't get it how something like we had this game can happen. Matt's definitely the new VE when it comes to claiming I guess.
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On September 24 2012 21:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2012 21:56 Toadesstern wrote:On September 24 2012 13:37 strongandbig wrote:On September 24 2012 09:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 24 2012 09:46 strongandbig wrote:On September 24 2012 07:28 Z-BosoN wrote:
Reading the scum qt, my mad hatter idea was not that bad actually
As I had suspected, I was gonna get shot anyways. At least my death would confirm toad town/assassin, and in case a medic did indeed save toad, I would have gotten saved. Your claim was really effective imo. Instead of shooting someone who actually looked townie we shot you to try and get a double kill. You basically managed to confirm toad and to make us use a shot to kill you instead of letting you get lynched. And for this game - I disagree about the victory feeling hollow. I recognize that my play was terrible but I still feel pretty good right now. Still pissed at mattchew though. That was just super dumb. TBH I honestly do not feel his claim was "super dumb" as everyone makes it out to be. It was stupid in retrospect but the OP did not indicate that NN were unaware of their alignment and if you read the thread up until I outed him for it no one was attacking him for his claim being fake as hell, but that it was more oddly claimed. Even before Palmar confirmed they did not know their alignment the town should have realized something was amiss when literally no one else claimed NN to verify mattchews claim. That in its own right should have been the proof to get him lynched barring a mod post. Had it not been for a player such as myself, and any other player who has hosted (very few I believe in this game) near no one else thought to even ask so the claim was only bad given that certain people were almost sure to ask questions. For the rest of your team play though I think you guys were slightly too passive and should have exerted a bit more control. You guys could have easily pushed a misslynch onto a few people with a bit of effort and when it came down to the lynch snb died in I have no idea well, how you did. Given that a mafia member was required to get you lynched over a townie you could have coasted safely by never having allinson vote for your death thus auto win the game basically. lynching me wasn't a team decision or anything. imallinson just did it while I was off playing dota, and I'm still not sure why he did. and re the fake nosy neighbor claim, claiming like that is "super dumb" in an open setup where it is actually verifiable. If you're going to do it at all it should only be done either in games where self-aware millers are confirmed to exist or in games with a closed setup like deathnote, where I had just done the exact same thing but where I knew that the hosts wouldn't tell anyone how the miller mechanic worked or even whether there was one. There's absolutely nothing wrong with doing the following via pm: "sup Palmar, your OP doesn't exactly state it but something in there *include whatever reason here* makes me think the millers/NNs are self-aware. Is that true? I'm kind of considering to claim that""no dude they're not""kk thanks, almost claimed NN! :p"I really don't get it how something like we had this game can happen. Matt's definitely the new VE when it comes to claiming I guess. Matt has a splendid Normal resumé with LI and LVII 
you know what I was referring to sweetie
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OH now I remember what LI was.
DUDE matt, what are you doing with the games I thought I already won when I'm playing them.
Edit: Wasn't Matt also the Pikachu in PTP that ended up shooting me with a rnd-23 roll and killed me n1 with that bullshit?
Wtf my mind is blown right now.
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On September 25 2012 00:48 marvellosity wrote:
Hey, you won as mafia at lylo. Doesn't seem too shabby to me.
With regards to you specifically, there were a couple of things that you could improve on:
1) you posted masses at the beginning, and then your posting dropped off markedly. Private life aside, this is a pretty big tell (BloodyC0bbler had you pegged as scum because of this)
2) At some point you said you were too lazy to make a case on someone. This is a tell for you particularly, because in that Newbie game you were the precise opposite of lazy as town with GK + co.
most people actually treat the 2nd one as a major towntell because most mafias (especially new ones) are to scared to say something like that and they HAVE to be aware of what they're posting whereas townies sometimes (or "all the time", pick accordingly) post without thinking for a second. So most people really treat it as
1) unlikely a mafia would post that although it's obviously a flawed argument
2) likely a townie would post that
No idea how he played in his last game though I wouldn't say that post was bad at all. Everyone changes something pretty much every game. It's never about whether or not something is right or wrong, it's just about what people make of it and in this case most people usually take it as a towntell.
For some reason people also think talking about townreads is something "good" or talking nonstop about your reads in general (remember that one big list post with reads about everyone that basicly said "everyone's a null for me"? That was awful and I would have insta-vigged him as a townie day-vig) but that's another topic :p
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On September 25 2012 00:59 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 00:55 marvellosity wrote:On September 25 2012 00:54 DarthPunk wrote:On September 25 2012 00:48 marvellosity wrote:
Hey, you won as mafia at lylo. Doesn't seem too shabby to me.
With regards to you specifically, there were a couple of things that you could improve on:
1) you posted masses at the beginning, and then your posting dropped off markedly. Private life aside, this is a pretty big tell (BloodyC0bbler had you pegged as scum because of this)
2) At some point you said you were too lazy to make a case on someone. This is a tell for you particularly, because in that Newbie game you were the precise opposite of lazy as town with GK + co. Heh. I didn't lie about why I was absent. But I'll take it onboard. I don't know if it is because making cases is more difficult as scum or I am getting burnt out or something. But I was honestly too lazy to do cases like I did in my other games. Yeah Hapa PM'd me and pegged me as scum from that also. Obviously I need to work on it. Especially with the way you guys seem to use meta so much. I need to make my scum game the same as my town game. Thanks for the tips  It's precisely that, because as scum you know your cases are a lie, whereas as town your cases are honest. hmm. I don't want to Sacrifice my town game for my scum game. I guess I just have to suck it up and do the hard work if I want to be any good at this. But yeah. Scum is way harder to play then town. For me at least.
don't try to find scum as mafia, that's not possible and people will realize that.
Try to find scummy behavior as mafia. Townies play scummy all the time.
That requires reading though, which is the hardest part of playing mafia I guess. You know you don't have to figure people out after all so getting motivated really is harder than getting motivated as a townie.
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On September 25 2012 01:08 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 01:02 Toadesstern wrote:On September 25 2012 00:59 DarthPunk wrote:On September 25 2012 00:55 marvellosity wrote:On September 25 2012 00:54 DarthPunk wrote:On September 25 2012 00:48 marvellosity wrote:
Hey, you won as mafia at lylo. Doesn't seem too shabby to me.
With regards to you specifically, there were a couple of things that you could improve on:
1) you posted masses at the beginning, and then your posting dropped off markedly. Private life aside, this is a pretty big tell (BloodyC0bbler had you pegged as scum because of this)
2) At some point you said you were too lazy to make a case on someone. This is a tell for you particularly, because in that Newbie game you were the precise opposite of lazy as town with GK + co. Heh. I didn't lie about why I was absent. But I'll take it onboard. I don't know if it is because making cases is more difficult as scum or I am getting burnt out or something. But I was honestly too lazy to do cases like I did in my other games. Yeah Hapa PM'd me and pegged me as scum from that also. Obviously I need to work on it. Especially with the way you guys seem to use meta so much. I need to make my scum game the same as my town game. Thanks for the tips It's precisely that, because as scum you know your cases are a lie, whereas as town your cases are honest. hmm. I don't want to Sacrifice my town game for my scum game. I guess I just have to suck it up and do the hard work if I want to be any good at this. But yeah. Scum is way harder to play then town. For me at least. don't try to find scum as mafia, that's not possible and people will realize that. Try to find scummy behavior as mafia. Townies play scummy all the time. That requires reading though, which is the hardest part of playing mafia I guess. You know you don't have to figure people out after all so getting motivated really is harder than getting motivated as a townie. That is good advice. Thanks. I tend to agree with you that it is harder to be motivated as scum. But I could totally just find scummy townies instead of trying to fake it, or just not really scum hunt at all like I did this game.
Yeah as mentioned: This game had a shitton of townies who played scummy like crazy and getting rid of those instead of lynching vets like I (obviously) wanted would have been way better for town but it would have also given you a lot of oppertunities to just blend in there pointing at 2 or 3 townies, pointing out a bunch of mistakes / bad play, mix in one of your allies who plays alike and end in
"there's no way those 4 people are posting like this as town. That's too many inconsistencies to be random-(bad)luck" and you're good to go.
Obviously that's very basic advice and if you post like that you're going to get lynched but it's okay as a roadmap and you can change things up or make it fancy as you go, but that's the basic idea.
On September 25 2012 01:17 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 01:08 DarthPunk wrote:On September 25 2012 01:02 Toadesstern wrote:On September 25 2012 00:59 DarthPunk wrote:On September 25 2012 00:55 marvellosity wrote:On September 25 2012 00:54 DarthPunk wrote:On September 25 2012 00:48 marvellosity wrote:
Hey, you won as mafia at lylo. Doesn't seem too shabby to me.
With regards to you specifically, there were a couple of things that you could improve on:
1) you posted masses at the beginning, and then your posting dropped off markedly. Private life aside, this is a pretty big tell (BloodyC0bbler had you pegged as scum because of this)
2) At some point you said you were too lazy to make a case on someone. This is a tell for you particularly, because in that Newbie game you were the precise opposite of lazy as town with GK + co. Heh. I didn't lie about why I was absent. But I'll take it onboard. I don't know if it is because making cases is more difficult as scum or I am getting burnt out or something. But I was honestly too lazy to do cases like I did in my other games. Yeah Hapa PM'd me and pegged me as scum from that also. Obviously I need to work on it. Especially with the way you guys seem to use meta so much. I need to make my scum game the same as my town game. Thanks for the tips It's precisely that, because as scum you know your cases are a lie, whereas as town your cases are honest. hmm. I don't want to Sacrifice my town game for my scum game. I guess I just have to suck it up and do the hard work if I want to be any good at this. But yeah. Scum is way harder to play then town. For me at least. don't try to find scum as mafia, that's not possible and people will realize that. Try to find scummy behavior as mafia. Townies play scummy all the time. That requires reading though, which is the hardest part of playing mafia I guess. You know you don't have to figure people out after all so getting motivated really is harder than getting motivated as a townie. That is good advice. Thanks. I tend to agree with you that it is harder to be motivated as scum. But I could totally just find scummy townies instead of trying to fake it, or just not really scum hunt at all like I did this game. Yeah, I think there are few people who genuinely really enjoy playing scum. People like VE, Ace. Maybe wbg? I'm sure a couple of others. I'm pretty ok at scum but I waaaay prefer playing town.
screw you. I'm not in that list? What's wrong with you
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In retrospect I'd really have loved to see the reaction of Palmar / Marv / VE when I did my first post.
It was like 10 minutes in the game and I vote sloOsh out of nowhere who ended up being the other Assassin. Must have looked pretty fishy for Assassin-#1 to vote Assassin-#2 within a couple of minutes :p
Besides that, that opening was awesome. Literally the best opening I ever saw. Noone was talking about set-up bullshit and everyone was talking about the game instead. Quickest start to a game ever.
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