I'm not dead and I'm home so I can type real cases!!!

@Talis: (kind of roundabout, but i'm going to present it in the way I read it)
1. I have a strong town read on Marv.
2. I like his read on talis, esp the STYLE of read. To give an IE, I think he feels about talis the way I felt about Dandel Ion in newbie V: not based on specific posting mistakes, but a pure read based off the filter as a whole.
3. I looked at his filter myself and thought it looked kinda scummy, not a large quantity of posts, not a lot of actual content, kinda fluffy overall.
4. Some posts from his filter:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=67#1331
Seems like a scum jumping on a perceived mistake. I expect teh bads from shady, but really does everyone get to misread what I write?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=68#1352
I don't like the way he tries to undermine marv/marv's case with absolutely no evidence and no followup. This makes me think Shady is a bad-townie pawn more than scum.
4. His defenses have not struck me as town. This seems to be a cold reading thing, but he seems like an apathetic scum that is not too worried about getting lynched because I am clearly under the hammer.

Lvdr

United States418 Posts

August 30 2012 00:30 GMT

#1415

Kville are you still lynching me for info?

Lvdr

United States418 Posts

August 30 2012 00:41 GMT

#1418

@DJ
1. Giving his filter another read, I would say this is my #3 read, and the most likely to swap with Shady if Shady turns up being mafia.
2. That being said, his filter does not scream townie, as he tunnels the VE/CHEZ 'scumslip' I made D1, and then adds on chez (who is basically a free target), and talis which could be a distancing technique.
3. This post is my evidence #1
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=68#1350

He goes from talis who is supposedly a higher scumread and has more votes at the time, onto me

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=65#1286
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=65#1292

First of all, he takes talis back from the brink, and makes me the much more probable lynch target.
Second, How does this play make any sense from a townie perspective to do that from a higher scumread to a lower scumread? Screams that he is actually protecting talis without trying to appear to be.
Third, he checks out immediately after the vote, and a long ways away from the lynch deadline in order to try to make the wagon stick and to avoid defending it. This is a drive-by-voting!

Lvdr

United States418 Posts

August 30 2012 00:42 GMT

#1419

My appeal to those townies that are on my wagon. There is time and there are votes enough to lynch talis! A Kville/Shady/+1 swap gets a lynch right there.

The lynch is for mafia, not for 'informative flips'!

Lvdr

United States418 Posts

August 30 2012 00:50 GMT

#1420

@milton
First of all I had some suspicions on VE. Not sure if its really applicable, but its relevant.

Mostly though, I don't think this post shows a townie mindset at all.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=70#1399

I would expect from a townie some discussion of that the vote he is casting IS THE DECIDING VOTE, and that a lynch is desirable over a no-lynch even though his knowledge (as a replacement) is limited. I would expect a townie to have some sense of doubt because they are a replacement and they don't want to come in and instantly make a mistake.

Instead, Milton comes across as VASTLY prefering my bandwagon to talis, and without a hint of hesitation. He seems to unambiguously prefer lynching me to talis. Yes it is a confirmation bias, but it falls in perfectly with my theory of talis being mafia, and milton protecting him.

Lvdr

United States418 Posts

August 30 2012 00:52 GMT

#1421

EBWOP: Something I just noticed, Milton has not officially cast his vote yet.

@Milton: Have you played forum mafia before?

Lvdr

United States418 Posts

August 30 2012 01:06 GMT

#1426

@shady: I think personal feelings have influenced your read on me, and I ask you to compare your case in this game, to the one you made on me as scum in our last game. Don't they seem very similar? As scum you jumped on every perceived mistake I made in order to make a contrived case. I thinking you're doing the same thing here.

If you're really town, instead of playing another bad game as scum, you can start the wagon back onto talis. If I am actually scum, I can be lynched later.

Lvdr

United States418 Posts

August 30 2012 01:07 GMT

#1428

Shady/kville/blue switch onto talis and this lynch could be brillient.

Lvdr

United States418 Posts

August 30 2012 01:08 GMT

#1429

or chez. The thing that is killing me is that there are most def a bunch of townies wagoning me right now

Lvdr

United States418 Posts

August 30 2012 01:22 GMT

#1436

Your Talis read is basically null and you never changed it prior to voting him. Hence no read there, yet you wound up voting him

This is just incorrect. You have been corrected multiple times but you keep using this as a case.

You had no reads on anyone except on VE all through D1, which never really got anywhere. You wound up sheeping to Obvious

D1 was extremely bland, and there was not a lot to work with. The play overall was 1.safe2.trolly3.lurky I also will check my filter because I don't remember that well and I don't trust you to get your facts right.

# Somehow you loudly claim you had scumreads on multiple people, but a check of your filter doesn't find them there (until Milton hammered you, lol.)
# Your behavior was much, much higher in the game where you were town. You put out 4 cases in the span of 1 day there, and actively led a last minute lynch wagon on a single person. You also proceeded to tunnel that person across 2 whole in-game days to secure a lynch there. By contrast, in this game, you pushed a weak case on VE, then sheeped Marv, then pushed a weak case on Talis, after sheeping Marv, then revoted Talis once there was a no-lynch on the basis of your non-existent prior scum read on him.

I will discuss these together. My massive inactivity matches up quite well with the lynch deadline in the other game, where my focus was. Also, I had a strong scum-lead from d1 in the other game that I was able to loudly pursue as frankly the best player for town in that game. This game I was but a grasshopper, and I did not assume the same place in the town. I still contributed.

The strongest parts of my cases are all things that have happened more recently. Therefore it makes sense that they were written recently.

Lvdr

United States418 Posts

August 30 2012 01:24 GMT

#1438

Finally:

No one is nit-picking anything here, Lvdr. These are holes big enough to drive a truck through, and when added together they form a damning picture of guilt.

Your case is super nitpicky, and seems quite personally driven. At best you have an activity read on me and a misinterpreted explanation of my talis case. If you don't realize how weak this is, I hope you learn something when I flip green, or you are scum. Actually believing this would be embarrassing.

Lvdr

United States418 Posts

August 30 2012 01:36 GMT

#1442