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Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 24 2012 01:52 GMT
#897
Seems like the jumps are over, but I'm here again.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 24 2012 01:57 GMT
#913
I feel good about the obvious lynch now.

Just got Internet access. Gj on your engineered mislynch on the easy one. Obvious scum, my ass.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 24 2012 03:33 GMT
#936
remember the night post was moved, so that rage post came AFTER it was known a townie had been lynched.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 24 2012 19:36 GMT
#959
@shady I think you have a spectacular ability to misinterpret my posting. To set the record straight:

1. Top lynch choice was BL.
2. When Bl's spreadsheet was shared I made (essentially a gut call) that I thought it was a mislynch.
3. Straight up I am suspicious of VE, I have made numerous posts about it.
4. However, that close to the deadline it was not practical to try to push a lynch on someone that most have a town read on.
5. I wanted to AVOID a no-lynch.
6. Obvious was #3 on my lynch list behind BL and Chez.
7. I blatantly sheeped onto obvious to make sure there was a lynch.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 24 2012 19:49 GMT
#962
VE was #4.

He is an active and productive poster, and killing him as town would be a blow to the town. However as I have stated

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=23#454
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=24#463
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=24#469
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=26#514
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=27#524
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=27#529
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=39#770
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=39#773
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=39#774

Maybe this is just me being paranoid, but for what its worth here are my suspicions of VE.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 24 2012 23:17 GMT
#972
I didn't think lynching a clearly active player d1 that might actually be the leader of the town would be a good play. So no VE was not my #1 lynch as you claim... he was #4 as I told you.

VE is someone to watch not to hairtrigger lynch.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 24 2012 23:20 GMT
#973
Or rather my top scumread.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 16:10 GMT
#1013
On August 25 2012 12:55 iamperfection wrote:
We finish what we should have done yesterday.

## Vote Bluelightz

He hasent changed anything and then attempts to make a case on the god damn troll? Screw that the chezinu case seems to be just a hollow attempt to feign scum hunting. It reads as simply going the safe avenue to me. BLuelightz will spill red blood. Vote for this guy.


[QUOTE]On August 25 2012 13:01 Bluelightz wrote:


Out of the activity since D1 I think this stuck out to me the most. WIFOM I know, but this feels to me like a mafia trying to ride the pressure from yesterday into another mislynch.

Chez has been worthless, I don't think he is a bad lynch. Therefore this reads to me to be a mafia trying to redirect scumhunting energies from a partner without committing so much he cant end up voting for chez later. More a gut read than anything else.

In a weird way though it seems I might be a good lynch target because it might actually give the town some leads when I flip green. Still don't want to die, but if i'm so untrustworthy -- anything for the town
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 16:13 GMT
#1014
I should add I don't really feel confident about my reads on players right now. Palmar was def my strongest town read.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 21:27 GMT
#1023
I can't talk to shady right now.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 26 2012 05:33 GMT
#1035
Hmm my read on chez is that he is engaged in the game. His voting patterns look pretty pro-town (extremely active at deadline, seems to be trying to find a good lynch even if he doesn't actually state reasoning)

Unfortunately it is very hard (at least for me) to read a troll player. YourHarry's scum game was deadly effective, and it doesn't seem that a troll townie could be all that useful to the town.

Not sure why he voted for me, but hopefully there is an explanation at the other end of the rainbow.

That being said, I think a vigi shot could be a good call at this point.

Does the town know who made the shot

Regarding talis, I would give him no better than a null read. 2 points that stuck out to me.
1. The activity is quite low, and not particularly filled with content. I wouldn't call it downright scummy though.
2. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=25#497
This post latches on to a stretch of a case, complete agreement, no further points made, never revisited beyond his initial AHA moment.

Maybe I've talked myself into a scum-read. I have to see how I feel after some-more activity.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 26 2012 16:20 GMT
#1043
On August 26 2012 20:35 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2012 14:33 Lvdr wrote:
Hmm my read on chez is that he is engaged in the game. His voting patterns look pretty pro-town (extremely active at deadline, seems to be trying to find a good lynch even if he doesn't actually state reasoning)

Unfortunately it is very hard (at least for me) to read a troll player. YourHarry's scum game was deadly effective, and it doesn't seem that a troll townie could be all that useful to the town.

Not sure why he voted for me, but hopefully there is an explanation at the other end of the rainbow.

That being said, I think a vigi shot could be a good call at this point.

Does the town know who made the shot

Regarding talis, I would give him no better than a null read. 2 points that stuck out to me.
1. The activity is quite low, and not particularly filled with content. I wouldn't call it downright scummy though.
2. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=25#497
This post latches on to a stretch of a case, complete agreement, no further points made, never revisited beyond his initial AHA moment.

Maybe I've talked myself into a scum-read. I have to see how I feel after some-more activity.


This point is a classic WIFOM slip.

You think chez is engaged. But you don't know since he's trolly. You cite an anecdote from another player in another game who was trolly and flipped scum. You don't know why he voted for you and subtly criticize his troll logic for doing so. And then you finish that part by asking for a vigi shot... on who? Chez for being trolly? Or you?

You don't even address any of the other cases on yourself except by saying that you've talked yourself into a scum-read. You just address Chez's case, and even then, only implicitly, because Chez's case is the weakest.

On Talis: Both points you cite regarding Talis are clear scumtells. Low content, lurky behavior. But somehow not "downright scummy." Then you cite his largest post as an example of active scumming. Then you say he is a null read. What?

This entire post is an attempt to look active without committing to reads. This is a huge scumtell.

Town, if you still haven't made up your minds about Lvdr yet, the above should be a clear reason to vote for a lynch on him.


Doesn't this post make it clear that shady is completely nonobjective when it comes to me? This is a null read, but I think it is a good idea for the rest of the town to keep this in mind.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 26 2012 16:29 GMT
#1047
Shady try being smarter.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 26 2012 20:17 GMT
#1059
##Vote: Talismania

Let's see what happens.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 26 2012 20:25 GMT
#1061
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=52#1035

Also, noone is here so the point is moot lol.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 28 2012 23:18 GMT
#1242
I'm back. I was focusing on my other game. Still read along here, but didn't have much jump out at me. Going to do a close reading.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 29 2012 05:08 GMT
#1259
I like my previous read on talis being scum. Also, I disappeared mainly because (as you noted) I was extremely involved in the other game, esp coming down to lynch deadlines, and I was unable to deal with shady because I was mad at him (oops).

The lack of activity makes me really uncomfortable. Also, it may be a cross game gambit, but Shady's actions here seem similar to those in the other game (where he flipped scum). I keep getting a "He is either really bad town or clumsy scum" read across the two games.

I would say lets just lynch him, but I don't think thats actually good play.

Hence, ##vote:Talismania
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 29 2012 20:06 GMT
#1340
Guys I always seem to have these 'scumslips' as town. I can be too offhand in assuming people know what I mean, which gets me into trouble. My prior read was slight scummy on talis. Coming back later I was reconfirming as a stronger read.

Let's make sure we have a lynch today though, even if its me. 2 no lynches would be pretty bad...
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 29 2012 20:07 GMT
#1341
Also, I totally second talis that this game has been straight up bland.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 29 2012 20:10 GMT
#1344
Shady thanks for correcting me on my read. Now I know what to think.
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