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On September 01 2012 00:56 iamperfection wrote:
alright ill just be honest. I had an extremly strong town read on bluelightz(i know i never specifically stated that but whatever) i had hoped to keep him around by casting some suspicion on him. Now i thought you had a similar read on bluelightz from the first day shannigans so i find it odd that you would then point out it was likely town motivation in his actions.
So why didnt you just wait untill the deadline for your statement? Wouldnt that have been the better town course of action?
Hmm. Yes, I had a town read on BL. I don't quite understand what you're getting at though. As far as I'm concerned it went like:
1) BL claims he got RBed
2) iamp asks why he claims this
3) marv points out RB should always be claimed
Why would I wait to clear that up? For reference, I have seen townies NOT claim RB recently (indeed, it was Milton in a recent game)
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On September 01 2012 01:07 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 01:01 marvellosity wrote:On September 01 2012 00:56 iamperfection wrote:
alright ill just be honest. I had an extremly strong town read on bluelightz(i know i never specifically stated that but whatever) i had hoped to keep him around by casting some suspicion on him. Now i thought you had a similar read on bluelightz from the first day shannigans so i find it odd that you would then point out it was likely town motivation in his actions.
So why didnt you just wait untill the deadline for your statement? Wouldnt that have been the better town course of action? Hmm. Yes, I had a town read on BL. I don't quite understand what you're getting at though. As far as I'm concerned it went like: 1) BL claims he got RBed 2) iamp asks why he claims this 3) marv points out RB should always be claimed Why would I wait to clear that up? For reference, I have seen townies NOT claim RB recently (indeed, it was Milton in a recent game) because if you thought he wast town wouldnt it have been better to keep suspicion on him in hopes he may survive the night in order to narrow your suspect pool.
ok, I see what you're getting at. I've seen people play that way (strongandbig did it to me in a recent game) but I don't subscribe to it. If you think someone is town, you want them to have as much credibility as possible in order for people to listen to them. I would always take clarity in-thread over fingercrossing with nightkills.
I've never cast suspicion on a town-read to try to get them through the night, and in all likelihood I never will.
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On September 01 2012 22:31 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 13:18 Shady Sands wrote:
could be a talis/kv/chez scumteam. There are no other possibilities?
you need to be making YOUR vote clear, not asking after Shady. vote talis.
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witholding information and your thoughts from town
nice
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lylo and you're sitting around playing stupid games?
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On September 02 2012 05:47 Shady Sands wrote:
so kville/talis/chez scumteam?
i've said it before and i'll do so once again.
DO NOT MAKE TEAMS. talis is fucking scum and we'll lynch the piss out of him today. During the night we'll find the next scum with analysis, with some help from a confirmed talis flip.
Shady, your play has been so wild this game (and is partly why i think you're town!). But look at how quickly your ENTIRE scumteam changed when just one player (BL) flipped. That's why connection theories are so awful.
At the moment I think I know the thrust of my next case, and I'll hopefully be staying up just before deadline during the night to make it.
to ANYONE who is unsure: vote talis. I'll repeat again - I've played tonnes of games with talis and I fucking know his town play and that this is not it. His absence at critical times, his insidious ways of trying to discredit me without providing any evidence. This is still our game to win.
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On September 02 2012 06:25 Kville wrote:Now your just guessing. And honestly would we it really be this obvious?town lost if this vote goes through.
bullshit wifom.
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i'm going out. I'll see people after the lynch. talis WILL flip scum, guys.
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who ISN'T going for kville though?
obviously we need to be getting this one right...
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ok. I'm going to think this one through before the night's over. You're probably right.
Also, now that talis HAS flipped, we can look at his filter to see if there's connections.
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shady the problem is talis bussed his entire team in the first two days of Not Themed
this is why i'm worried
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On September 03 2012 18:20 Shady Sands wrote:
Marv y u no post or vote?
Sleep and work are terrible things :o
Kville is of course looking like scum. The whole voting for townies and avoiding mafia thing. I want to look at Dingaling this evening before I commit though. It's lylo and it's a good reason to be doubly careful.
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On September 03 2012 13:56 Shady Sands wrote:
Can scum RB the same person two days in a row?
not mods, but i've never seen this be a problem.
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I'm going to be in the thread properly in about 1.5 hours, and reading everything through, and I'll be around for at least a couple of hours. So if people are around and want to discuss shit, it's a good time.
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On September 04 2012 07:57 Shady Sands wrote:
Instead of just starting by voting Lvdr? After all Lvdr was an easy mislynch choice
who did he end up voting?
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On September 04 2012 08:17 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 08:15 marvellosity wrote:On September 04 2012 07:57 Shady Sands wrote:
Instead of just starting by voting Lvdr? After all Lvdr was an easy mislynch choice who did he end up voting? DJ started by voting Talis, then switched to Lvdr. You even called him out for it, I think
yes, it was a leading question ^^
my point was, actions > words. It's all very well voting for talis to start with, but it's totally meaningless if your vote doesn't end up on talis (and with little explanation, to boot)
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On September 04 2012 08:27 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 08:23 marvellosity wrote:On September 04 2012 08:17 Shady Sands wrote:On September 04 2012 08:15 marvellosity wrote:On September 04 2012 07:57 Shady Sands wrote:
Instead of just starting by voting Lvdr? After all Lvdr was an easy mislynch choice who did he end up voting? DJ started by voting Talis, then switched to Lvdr. You even called him out for it, I think yes, it was a leading question ^^ my point was, actions > words. It's all very well voting for talis to start with, but it's totally meaningless if your vote doesn't end up on talis (and with little explanation, to boot) Actually, I'd read that as a town tell, because this is majority and time-based plurality lynch. In majority lynch, there's pressure to bandwagon on the leading candidate to ensure no no-lynch happens. So by piling on a wagon, you make it more likely that others will consider your wagon more heavily. In a time-based plurality setup, the opposite is true: if someone disagrees with the lynch, then you voting on someone will make it feel more urgent for that person to push their candidate to make sure their candidate wins the "race". Basically, if DJ was a scum, why would he make Talis look like the leading candidate with less than 24 hours to go, and only switch away from Talis once the votes got very close? That's not optimal scum play
this is wifom. only switching away when the votes get close tells its own story. "not optimal" scumplay doesn't mean it isn't scumplay. Do you think Kville has made optimal scumplays?
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There are things besides the blindingly obvious in Kville's filter which show he's scum. The obvious being the voting to kill townies and refusing to vote for scum.
There are smaller things to do with this that tie it together, though. He's been trying to discredit me for quite a lage part of the game. Never with evidence, just pokes and aggression. Insidious play.
He basically barely mentions talis at any point. His filter is mostly devoid of an opinion on talis even though he was a very serious lynch candidate day 3 and got lynched day 4. His tunnelling of lingu seems to be a way of avoiding having to deal with the talis situation. Blind tunnelling is a favourite scum tactic to make it look like they're contributing.
Notice how he's backed off me in the last 48 hours or so. Up to now I've avoided being overly committal on Kville. Suddenly his read on me has softened markedly as he thinks I might take his side, so he stops antagonising me.
##Vote: Kville
the kicker is which of chez and lingu :/
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On September 04 2012 17:52 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 16:59 Djagulingu wrote:On September 04 2012 16:25 Shady Sands wrote:On September 04 2012 16:15 Djagulingu wrote:On September 04 2012 15:38 Shady Sands wrote:On September 04 2012 15:03 Djagulingu wrote:
You're full of shit KVille and iamperfection has never actually made sense anyway in terms of being a scumbag. You are the missing part in the scum team and we will try as hard as we can to miss you. Why is IamP town? He looks more town than Kville and Chezinu at least. Why? Because Kville has nothing that makes him look townie. Only attacking to suspicious townies, avoiding to attack scum teammates when they were suspected, attacking into townies, disguising it in newbie OMGUS. Chezinu on the other hand though, knows he doesn't need teammates to win this game. They delayed tonight as well, very good play takes one more to lynch, very easy to set up a 3-3 NL, or at least much easier it is. Even if we successfully lynch, he knows that long as I'm alive, he can trick town to attack me and not him. True. I don't like the quick 5-1 split though. Makes me wonder if we should have slowed down the KV wagon to bait the other scum out for a counter-wagon.
It's just the way a game can go at lylo. Kville effectively not bothering to defend himself, while splurging suspicion at everybody, is pretty convincing at this point.
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