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Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
August 28 2012 15:18 GMT
#1545
Kurumi and drazark can you just explain the freaking role already?? I'm tired of these hints and shit..

On August 28 2012 22:44 Drazerk wrote:
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On August 28 2012 21:51 Dirkzor wrote:
Okay drazark. Lets crank up the activity. I know its night and all but we have to start somewhere.

You have mentioned Misder more then once and that we should kill him. You never said why or mentioned any case on him. Explain to my why you think he is scum.


I don't mention cases generally since I demand people read the thread and when the cases are in place its obvious I've read them and based my opinions from them its rarely my job to convince people to join a bandwagon I simply jump up and down and shout at people until they vote for who I want.


It looks like he knows more than us (This post stuck out for me especially)

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On August 25 2012 04:37 Misder wrote:
Really, this lynch is between 3 townies. This is ridiculous.



he has been jumping on bandwagons (Latest one)

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On August 28 2012 05:50 Misder wrote:
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On August 28 2012 05:10 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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On August 28 2012 04:24 Mementoss wrote:
On August 28 2012 04:23 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On August 28 2012 04:10 BioSC wrote:
Whelp. As it turns out, MLG weekend + TI2 Weekend plus lots of procrastinated homework means one inactive Bio. Combine that with a general "woe is me" about my reads in general makes it hard to put forth the effort. Well, here we go again.

My 2 choices are misder or VE. Misder for his active lurking + the play around the time of yesterday's lynch.

VE, because the case by HiroPro
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On August 27 2012 09:03 HiroPro wrote:
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On August 27 2012 07:34 Mementoss wrote:
On August 27 2012 07:31 HiroPro wrote:
hm, wiggles sounds legitimately annoyed. Can't decide whether to kill biosc or misder, drrrr.

##Unvote


What are your thoughts on VE /dirkzor


I haven't really read much since Toad died, so fresh look and all lol.

Dirkzor I think is town. His early play I think was mostly just because of how much pressure he was under from BC and I think he's actually trying to contribute.

I think VE is scum now for a couple of reasons.

First, the thing with grush still strikes me as really uncharacteristic of town VE. VE is someone who throws out policy lynches as town, but it's almost always "if we have no strong scum reads, we should lynch a lurker". For him to push a policy lynch on a person for their play in other games is just mind-boggling. VE has always emphasized that there is no such thing as an "useless townie" because they're still a member of town to count against the mafia wincon, yet now his views have suddenly flipped. If you look at the LVI postgame (the last game with VE and grush in it), there's nothing to suggest that VE was unduly mad. Yes, I know he made some comment pregame about how grush would likely just lurk and troll, but at least before VE pushed the policy lynch, grush had seemed ok in activity and was at least responding to others.

Next looking at the whole Wiggles-BC feud: Beforehand VE had said that he thought Wiggles was scum. But then when the cases come out, literally the only thing VE has to say about those two cases is a mild dislike of one of BC's points. Otherwise he just says afterward " BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched" and "Then he's absent for half of today, only to build a case against one of town's stronger scumhunters and disappear again.". That doesn't look like VE analyzing someone's play and reaching a conclusion based on that. It looks like him making a preconceived judgement and fitting what happens around it.

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On August 23 2012 17:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why does BC keep referencing Bugs' post as if Bugs is accusing Wiggles? He's said it twice I think now, and I don't think Bugs was accusing Wiggles at all.


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On August 23 2012 18:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
But it won't be - Bugs is alive to say "no guy, I think Wiggles is town (as my post indicates), LTR"

That's my point - it won't be Bugs' fault at all.


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On August 24 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
What in the...was that shot not claimed AGAIN? Scum must really be getting desperate.

Was that a blue flip? It looked like it, but everything has been colored blue so I wanted to make sure...

I'm down with a Wiggles lynch guys. BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched, and I think we should oblige him.

##Vote: Wiggles


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On August 24 2012 02:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
On August 24 2012 02:16 Kurumi wrote:
On August 24 2012 02:11 grush57 wrote:
On August 24 2012 02:09 Kurumi wrote:
On August 24 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
What in the...was that shot not claimed AGAIN? Scum must really be getting desperate.

Was that a blue flip? It looked like it, but everything has been colored blue so I wanted to make sure...

I'm down with a Wiggles lynch guys. BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched, and I think we should oblige him.

##Vote: Wiggles

Nah, Wiggles attacking bc is a null tell in my opinion. Look at the timing of this hit, if they wanted to kill bc they would do it faster, it smells like a frame to me.

Yeah I considered that aswell, but wiggles has been scummy HMMMMMMMMMMMM idk man

also biosc where u been at man!

Wiggles scummy ? He seems the only person devoting his time to this game. Some guys dont have enough time , yadda yadda. Although his theory on the lynch sounds wrong... Well I think Dirk is scum based on one post... I did not vote him because of my doubts (his points about viscera were good) it is hard to reread the thread on the phone, eh.


Is this a joke? First of all, Wiggles posted like ONE time D1, and that was to vote me and DISAPPEAR. He had NO inclination to affect the lynch yesterday and, as Bugs and Wiggles will tell you, scum seemed to be perfectly content with the way the wagons were going too.

Then he's absent for half of today, only to build a case against one of town's stronger scumhunters and disappear again.

In what way is Wiggles "devoting his time to this game"?

This is strikingly similar to his play in LV - vote, disappear, return to build a case, vote, disappear. I'm voting Mr.Wiggles because I think he's scum. I hope you guys will join me.


Then, the amount of times VE promises thoughts and reads but then when he comes back has pretty much nothing useful to say.

I know someone is going to bring up the shot done by Toad, but frankly I think it could just be separation. Toad knew it was only 0.5 KP and not going to pose a threat to VE actually dying.

Maybe I'm being an idiot right now in ignoring BC lol, but it's not like I've been doing anything this game for some time now.

##Vote VisceraEyes


Makes sense to me.

And the more I go through cases and stuff, the less confident I am about them. Great.

Tell you what. I'm going to go sheep the veteran flipped townie. My reads are shit and I know it.

##Vote Wiggles

Ahahahahahahahaha


Now that your here who do you think are scum.

VE is scum.

Day 1 he came out posting about policy lynching Grush. His reasons were not based on alignment. He put the onus of scumhunting onto other people, telling them it was their responsibility to convince him to lynch someone other than grush. Not convince him that their targets were scummier than grush, because his policy lynch wasn't based on grush being scummy, just that it would be better to try to lynch scum than a random person.

After he was rightfully called out on his posting, VE pulled a 180. Some kind of sentiment that VE was town was created, as he very quickly jumped in between three different targets, with only one of them being somewhat original. What puts me off about this, is how quick of a turn-around it was and how badly it reeked of wanting to appease the people out for his blood. First, VE didn't defend his policy lynch on Grush, he just jumped to accusing other people after being accused. As well, VE didn't just accuse one person and attempt to get them lynched, he made a big show of jumping in-between three different targets and saying that he thought all of them were scum. This looks a lot like he was trying to go, "Hey, look at me! I'm scumhunting!", especially when contrasted with his play earlier. So, it looks as though the sudden spurt in apparent scum hunting and effort was made to avoid pressure, which makes sense, since after Day 1 the pressure dropped and so did the contributions from VE.

After Day 1, the "scumhunting effort" from VE stopped. His play from then on has consisted of sheeping the lynch sentiment against myself and Misder while adding nothing of value to the cases against either of us. As pointed out by others, VE has been making promises of contribution, but has not been keeping them. Notably, making a case against either myself or Misder. As well, he failed to comment on either my case against BC or BC's defense and case against me while BC was alive. VE makes this post:
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On August 23 2012 16:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Before I comment on your case Wiggles, what do you think of Dirkzor? You derped around and kept your vote on me all day while a townie got lynched, and today you don't even mention the counterwagon except as a footnote in your case on someone else. Do you think Dirkzor is town?

Saying he will comment on my case. However, even though he was in the thread for the next two or so hours, he never comments directly on the case either by myself or BC, even though he has clearly read them. He avoids taking a side in the conflict between us, which supports VE's general play this game of laying low and avoiding attention, especially if his team was already planning on using their shot on BC.

After BC dies, VE comes back and uses the death of BC to put a vote on me. However, read the post where he did so:
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On August 24 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
What in the...was that shot not claimed AGAIN? Scum must really be getting desperate.

Was that a blue flip? It looked like it, but everything has been colored blue so I wanted to make sure...

I'm down with a Wiggles lynch guys. BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched, and I think we should oblige him.

##Vote: Wiggles

In this post, VE does not make mention of BC having a good case, or even agreeing with the case BC made against me. Instead he insinuates that the death of BC was a result of trying to get me lynched, and uses the fact that BC has flipped town as a point for people to sheep to in support of him. The point of this post isn't to say that BC made a good case and town should lynch for it, it's to try to manipulate people into voting me because BC wanted to. It relies on an appeal to authority and the assumption that because BC was town, he was correct. Coming from a player with as much experience as VE, this isn't a simple mistake in logic. It's an attempt to cash in on an emotional response to BC dying and flipping town to try to push a mislynch.

As for supporting meta, VE usually plays somewhat aggressively and is very outspoken, to the point where he is often lynched early into the game as he forces focus and attention towards himself. This is markedly different from how he has been playing this game, where he has played very passively and avoided attention. This difference could be explained with role considerations giving VE a reason to act as he is, but VE is not playing in a way that he is contributing to the town while maintaining a low profile, he is instead playing in a way that he only does enough to keep people off his back before sinking into passivity again.

Altogether, this makes him scum.

I like. Still confused why scum would shoot their own scumbuddy (at least the way Toad did it), but I can roll with this.
##Vote: VisceraEyes



all the while he has been actively lurking (Still doesn't have a second page on his filter)


Bolded part: then you play a bad townie. If you think you are right it is your duty to try to convince people to vote like you. If you had just "jumped up and down" to do so it would MAYBE have been ok. But you didn't.

Your way of doing things is scummy.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
August 28 2012 15:53 GMT
#1554
On August 29 2012 00:22 Kurumi wrote:
Dirkzor:
My power as Caterpie was delaying any action by one cycle.
<3

What up? Why did 5 (?) people die night1 then?
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
August 28 2012 16:20 GMT
#1556
Then that doesn't exlpain jack does it? Matt didn't target Kurumi and Jingle said (correct me if I'm wrong to lazy to look it up) that he did not use confusion on mattchew one of the nights...

Also my target was also screwed over without kurumi being in the mix...
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
August 28 2012 16:26 GMT
#1558
So your conclusion is that Mattchew is lying?
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
August 28 2012 16:44 GMT
#1566
On August 29 2012 01:29 JingleHell wrote:
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On August 29 2012 01:26 Dirkzor wrote:
So your conclusion is that Mattchew is lying?


My conclusion is that it's possible, and comes with the other possibilities that also came to mind. Why are you trying to turn me saying "plausible" into me saying "absolutely"?


I didn't. I asked if I had understood what you wrote correctly. Why are you trying to make it sound like I'm putting words in your mouth? (See what I did there?)

Anyway I believe Mattchew hit trying to kill wiggles and me as he said he was. Doesn't make him town though. Just makes him not a liar.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
August 28 2012 16:44 GMT
#1568
Draz I have no clue what you are talking about. I've never played that much pokemon so care to explain it in full?
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
August 28 2012 17:08 GMT
#1581
On August 29 2012 01:46 JingleHell wrote:
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On August 29 2012 01:44 Dirkzor wrote:
On August 29 2012 01:29 JingleHell wrote:
On August 29 2012 01:26 Dirkzor wrote:
So your conclusion is that Mattchew is lying?


My conclusion is that it's possible, and comes with the other possibilities that also came to mind. Why are you trying to turn me saying "plausible" into me saying "absolutely"?


I didn't. I asked if I had understood what you wrote correctly. Why are you trying to make it sound like I'm putting words in your mouth? (See what I did there?)

Anyway I believe Mattchew hit trying to kill wiggles and me as he said he was. Doesn't make him town though. Just makes him not a liar.


I'm not putting words in your mouth. Your "clarification" ignored so much of what I said as to cease being paraphrasing, and start being a blatant misquotation.

Why are you being so defensive-aggresive about this? I just wanted to know if I understood your post correctly (that you thought Mattchew was lying). Then you go all apeshit on me.

"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
August 28 2012 17:23 GMT
#1586
What the..

"...may have a liar" Yes that was what you wrote. But you either think he is lying or you don't. Or you explain why you don't know. Doing these half measured answer leaves questions open to interpretation. Interpretation that can be done differently by different people later on. So I asked for a clarification. There was no definitive in me asking you if you conclusion was that mattchew was lying. You could just answer: "No. I think its possible and we should keep that in mind, but I actually do think he was telling the truth." (and you did that with your first sentence) It was a question and thus not a interpretation of your thoughts...

"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
August 28 2012 17:56 GMT
#1590
On August 29 2012 02:28 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 02:23 Dirkzor wrote:
What the..

"...may have a liar" Yes that was what you wrote. But you either think he is lying or you don't. Or you explain why you don't know. Doing these half measured answer leaves questions open to interpretation. Interpretation that can be done differently by different people later on. So I asked for a clarification. There was no definitive in me asking you if you conclusion was that mattchew was lying. You could just answer: "No. I think its possible and we should keep that in mind, but I actually do think he was telling the truth." (and you did that with your first sentence) It was a question and thus not a interpretation of your thoughts...



No, I was very blatantly reminding people of a possibility and not taking a definitive stance, because I don't have any real way to know. Considering the huge amount of discussion of other crazy possibilities that was going on at the time, which I was involved in, it should have been blatantly obvious I was just reminding people of an option to keep open for consideration.

You trying to lock me into a definitive stance I clearly didn't take on it is scummy as all fuck.



But?!... I think you misunderstand my completely. I just wanted to know if you thought Mattchew was lying or not. Your post wasn't really clear on that part. "We may have a liar" is true about everything.

"Wiggles said X, but it could be Y - we may have a liar".

And you did have an opinion about the matter you just didn't give it in your first post - and thats why I asked:

On August 29 2012 01:32 JingleHell wrote:
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On August 29 2012 01:30 Drazerk wrote:
With the amount of people complaining about roles being fucked with I don't think Mattchew is lying about last night tbh


I don't particularly either, was just pointing out that we shouldn't exclude it as a possibility. I've also mentioned my bizarre gym badge idea (Giovanni WAS part of Toad's role, and we didn't see that part of the PM after all), as well as the possibility of extended confusion.


Here you clearly state that you don't think mattchew was lying. And yes we can't be sure. We can't be sure of anything (this is mafia...)
And yes you reminded people of the possibility without giving your own thoughts on the matter (until later). Thats why I asked.
And I say again: How can I try to lock you into a definitive stance with a question? You took this way to "personal"...

@Draz: There is no way to know if Mattchew is lying. Thats not what I was asking. I was asking if JH _thought_ mattchew is/was a liar. His opinion on the matter of a lying Mattchew. Why are you suppoting JH in this?
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
August 28 2012 18:30 GMT
#1601
JH anyone is scum to you at the moment? You also wanted to reconsider D1 lynch because I questioned you...

Just to be sure I'm not the idiot here: Mementoss or austin what is your take on the little run in I had with JH the last 2 pages?
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
August 28 2012 18:46 GMT
#1604
How am I twisting your words again?

On August 29 2012 02:14 JingleHell wrote:
And trying to turn that into ME somehow being scummy by being defensive about it is, frankly, enough to make me doubt the whole path of logic regarding the D1 lynch.

On August 29 2012 03:24 JingleHell wrote:
I wasn't finding him scummy, until he decided to make this absurd attack on me that makes less sense than anything posted since the last time Grush or Misder talked.

It doesn't match the rest of his play this game particularly, which makes me think it's got an ulterior motive. Hence why I'm going to put together a case.

First quote you question the events of d1 lynch (hinting you weren't sure about my involment in it)
Second quote you clearly say you think Mementoss is scum for his latest comments and are going to make a case on him.

I'm not saying you're scum (yet) I'm just confused why you are so defensive about everything from everyone... That mementoss wan't clarity about actions isn't weird at all. I wan't clarity. I just disagree with you claiming will give us exactly that because I don't think your ability alone cause all the action-chaos.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
August 28 2012 18:49 GMT
#1605
Erh... After readings Mementoss post I think I'll go to bed. I'm insanely tired maybe thats what causing this shit...

Oh and btw JH feel free to supersonic me tonight if you want. I have no clue who to use my action on anyway... A little randomness might work wonders =) (this is partly a joke. I am unsure who I should use my action on)
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
August 29 2012 05:42 GMT
#1657
GG

Obs qt anyone?
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
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