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Why not vote zephirdd instead of unvote me only? Wouldn't that push your target even more?
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Yes I thought about that. I actually made for myself but then someone asked about it and I posted it. I can be helpful for townies aswell to get an overview.
Either way I don't think 1 votecount list will make the difference if I die or not.
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Oh i forgot:
##Vote imallinson
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Since nothing is happening I'm off to bed. Getting up in 6 hours. Night
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What? (and also 1000th post... O_o)
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Checking while brushing my teeth and from phone in bed... So it was nothing?
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@BC. I understand that you think I am scum but i think you should take a step back and try to find another to focus on for a while. If you are town that is... if you are scum you are on the right track.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 22 2012 07:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 04:58 Dirkzor wrote:
Yes I thought about that. I actually made for myself but then someone asked about it and I posted it. I can be helpful for townies aswell to get an overview.
Either way I don't think 1 votecount list will make the difference if I die or not. On its own? No but it just adds into the list of bad things you have done. You at the time of your vote weren't in a place to die and you stuck around almost till the time the vote ended. You said Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 04:41 Dirkzor wrote:
So with 1½ hours left we should start to consolidate. Seems to me there are only 2 real targets. Myself and allinson.
TBH i don't know what to write. Of course I'll change my vote to allinson to increase my own chance of survival. I'm still nut sure if he is scum or not but he never got on my green list.
Any questions for me go ahead and ask.
@VE: I can't get you out of my mind (<3). Why would you unvote me only to vote me again after 3 other had voted me. I understand the re-vote since that was after our little conversation but the unvote made no sense. You were the only one voting me at the time you unvoted with little support in the thread for my lynch at the time. You made a long case on Zephirdd but didn't vote him (Much like you accuse me of not voting allinson) and unvote me in the same post. You then re-voted me (with reason) and then you later stated that you would rather lynch zephirdd even though you voted me.
Its just... wrong somehow.. Yes being all nice and trying to make only two people to vote for is nice, except given the lack of discussion it lets people sheep like no other. You were practically not going to die and had a stronger read on someone else then who you voted and thus until it came down to just your vote, you should have attempted to either persuade people to vote for your main target or heavily analyze them / your other top reads. Near every action you have taken is really off. I also only think you are still "around" is because you are being heavily pushed at the moment and attempting to appear legit.
Your whole argument with my own vote is void. Or course I'm going to increase my own chance of survival by voting the "other guy". And yes my vote mattered. With 6v10 it only neede 2-3 people to vote change for me to be dead. Of course I'm around towards deadline when I'm in focus.. Had the discussion been heavier I had most likely not went to bed even though I need the sleep. But the discussion WAS dead so i went to bed.
I've looked through filters and it feels like many people aren't really doing anything really. The worst however is Mattchew:
+ Show Spoiler +On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise? cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town On August 21 2012 09:06 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote:On August 21 2012 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise? cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town Yeah, this sounds like you as town too. The reason I haven't "sunk my teeth into a candidate" yet is because there are no real candidates for me to choose from. Draz is like the only one and I don't like the fact that a bandwagon built on the BS case SnB put forth. It's a shitty case and I don't like the smell of the bandwagon that formed from it...so I'm not supporting it presently. My grush wagon could use some help though, if you're interested. It's guaranteed to rid the game of an anti-town poster and gosh, it might even net us a scum. What do ya say? I'd like a more informed read to lynch off of and I agree that SnB's case is weak, but I still have a scum read on Draz. He is back peddling and clearly nervous while trying to act like he's been cool calm and collected the entire game. You also haven't voted a weak read early (to provoke reaction) and said my vote is my tool or w.e you say, so I wouldn't be completely against lynching you currently On August 22 2012 01:10 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 00:40 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 22 2012 00:34 Mattchew wrote:
VE what do you think of bugs and allinson Bugs is confusing. Like, okay...my grush lynch wasn't well-received. I expected it, sure...but the fact that he's completely ignoring everything else I do or say is a little suspicious I guess. Not a good lynch today. AllIn I'm definitely NOT convinced of right now. It's being presented as a "solid" case, but honestly I'm not seeing it. I see more of a case to be made against Draz or Dirk or Zeph than I do allin. I can consolidate on allin, but it will be strictly for the purpose of securing a lynch for town...NOT because I believe in the case. I think this and your post on Zeph are your most substantive post in the game thus far and makes me want to lynch you less. However another problem with your play to me is you haven't tried to confirm any other "vet" as town to work with. You know that you and bugs/bc/toad/whoever could really become a benefit to town yet you refuse to work with just about anyone.
He starts out by poking VE lightly. Not really committing to anything pulling back a bit when VE started posting more. The last quote he calls VE's post substantial when i really wasn't. The zephirdd case is, but the post quoted isn't but mattchew finds it as an excuse to pull back.
He have a few filler posts that does absolutely nothing: 1 and 2.
But the scum alert only goes of with these 2 posts:
On August 22 2012 01:13 Mattchew wrote:
##vote dirkzor
I like this wagon
He puts his vote on me with no explanation or prior mention of me. Before this only Draz and VE have been mentioned as potential scum. Seems like he just figured VE wasn't scum anyway and then voted me. Shows he doesn't care one bit who actually died.
On August 22 2012 12:26 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 11:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
I guess no one is still considering seriously Wiggles scum right? Cause...I think he scum. *snap snap snap*
Further thoughts pending reread. i agree
Again he just follows and sheep VE without any reason what so ever. Again its seems like he just want someone dead without really thinking further then if the person is his red team mate.
And thats basicly all he have done this entire game.
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I think mattchew is scum just cruising by.. forgot to add that in the end.
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Bah just erased my post =(
I don't have much time today and I just want to put some thought about what have happened since I last posted. It might get a bit all over because I don't know when I'll get back to the thread so bear with me.
While reading the whole Wiggles vs BC "battle" i initially thought BC came out looking worst (and thus Wiggles looking good). I also thought that both might still be town since I earlier had a townread on BC.
About the hit on BC. Why haven't anyone claimed it? Is it the same as I think happened day1 with toad hitting VE? That it was actually scum who hit him while some thought he was scum. It would be the perfect way to hide the amount of KP used on town/scum side. Still pondering if it would be beneficial for us to press a claim on the BC hit.
Talking about VE. I don't think he is scum anymore. The hit Toad performed on him d1 jsut doesn't add up as a bus. Such an early and very aggressive bus seems unlikely.
+ Show Spoiler [Jingle's case on Mattchew] +On August 23 2012 03:10 JingleHell wrote:Since someone recently accused me of not scumhunting (because I asked them why they were doing something that's generally at best null, if not anti-town, no less) I decided to filter dive a bit.Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 08:44 Mattchew wrote:
Bugs and VE seem to either be lacking time (no read) or care (scum)
Still ok with lynching Draz Speaking of not scum hunting... also, accusing someone of no reads when this is his most substantial post in the thread at the time is laughable. Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote:On August 21 2012 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise? cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town He wants VE to pick a fight, which is generally not good for town, and he's not sinking his teeth into anyone either. Oh. Tunneling the piss out of Drazerk, too. Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 09:11 Mattchew wrote:Kita Any post that you make that is less than 5 sentences long must include a (relavent) opinion of someone. k thx. Also, ##Vote: Mattchew Come on man Whining about a vote on him, fits the trend of non-content posting. Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 00:34 Mattchew wrote:
VE what do you think of bugs and allinson Starting to see a trend. Minimal content, wanting to sheep people. Usually scummy to want someone else to lead on cases. This doesn't need much talking about. Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 12:26 Mattchew wrote:On August 22 2012 11:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
I guess no one is still considering seriously Wiggles scum right? Cause...I think he scum. *snap snap snap*
Further thoughts pending reread. i agree Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 01:09 Mattchew wrote:On August 22 2012 21:36 Mementoss wrote:
The only reason I don't think Mattchew is scum is because he didn't reveal his scum team yet. try and get me lynched. SnB what do you think of me? More wanting to sheep and hide behind other players. Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 01:33 Mattchew wrote:
i still think dirk is scum yes.
Also, i was enhancing my read of VE, which I find/found to be important in this game
also, you are town, good job Very early assertion of "definite town" on someone, which in this case would require information townies don't have. He claims it's based on other play, but I'd need confirmation of that from someone who knows it. Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 02:38 Mattchew wrote:On August 23 2012 01:56 JingleHell wrote:
SnB's alignment. Treating anyone's alignment as definite based off of the minimal info we have is ridiculous for a townie. also, you act like things can't change my reads. Does anyone else think this post is hella scummy, and a cop out for not scum hunting? Weak OMGUS finger-point at me that doesn't even make sense under the circumstances considering my "cop out" was to ask him why he did something that's generally scummy.
Great case that looks almost exactly like the one I made before you. =/ You start you case with "Since someone recently accused me of not scumhunting (because I asked them why they were doing something that's generally at best null, if not anti-town, no less) I decided to filter dive a bit." and the continue to repeat what I already wrote earlier. That in it self is weird, but the fact that you make a case because "someone accused you" is a scum way of thinking. Why not make a case to maybe... you know... catch scum?
Talking about Mattchew:
On August 23 2012 11:56 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 11:47 wherebugsgo wrote:
I want to kill Mattchew.
Problem? No?
Cool.
##vote Mattchew hi i have a problem
Best post so far 
I thought I agree that Mattchew is scum (a bit less after how JH started his case) I'm quite sad to see WBG vote with no reason whatsover. Can you explain why you think he is scum?
Same goes to Kurumi who just ninja voted him (although he did state he found matt scummy).
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I don't read irony.... But reading your run-in with mattchew does make it make sense a bit more.
There's just a bit of a difference here, mine was more recent, had more work on it, and came to a solid conclusion, which was followed by a vote. Yours, on the other hand, was just a lot of waffle.
Wait, what? More recent? That was 1-2 pages and about 10 hours after my case. I won't categorize that as more recent. More work? Why? Because you did some shitty post by post analysis? I came to a solid conclusion:
On August 22 2012 16:54 Dirkzor wrote:
I think mattchew is scum just cruising by.. forgot to add that in the end.
Which is basicly the same you came to during your post-by-post:
On August 23 2012 03:10 JingleHell wrote:
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Starting to see a trend. Minimal content, wanting to sheep people. Usually scummy to want someone else to lead on cases.
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More wanting to sheep and hide behind other players.
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Given the fact I made the case during N1 I couldn't vote and so much have happened since that just blindly voting Mattchew now seems, in my eyes, a bit of an overkill and out of place. I'm still re-reading d1 and trying to put the pieces together.
Found this gem:
On August 22 2012 03:44 Mementoss wrote:
If you read Toad's posts I think its fairly obvious he's not Meowth. I only have a little while before I leave before deadline and am still unsure where to place my vote. I still am really uncomfortable with Mattchews play, but no one seems to care about his sheneningans. The only thing that doesn't make me think he is scum, is his scum meta from LIII was very aggressive.
Do with that info however you want.
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On August 24 2012 00:46 heist wrote:
i still think dirk is a good lynch. not only did toad soft defend him, the main proponent of his lynch is now dead.
If you use that logic you should also want to kill zephirdd since toad treated us the same.
He also refrained from saying anything about allinson who flipped town.
+ Show Spoiler [for reference] +On August 22 2012 03:13 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 03:06 HiroPro wrote:
Hi toad. Why is your vote on someone who's not going to be lynched today? Why have you not talked about any of the actual cases that have been brought up recently? Because I'm still undecided so far. I'm just don't really like lynching people I never played with before d1 in general so I don't talk about imallinson at all because I want to have more time to get a proper read on him because I don't know what's "normal" for him and what's not. I'm sure you'll find my opinion on every other guy that has been mentioned so far as I actually played with most of the people in this game before. Call a name and I'll copy & paste the quotes but I'm sure you could just search for it yourself. Am I posting too much so that I'm like gonzaw or are you not reading my posts? On August 22 2012 03:25 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 03:19 HiroPro wrote:On August 22 2012 03:13 Toadesstern wrote:On August 22 2012 03:06 HiroPro wrote:
Hi toad. Why is your vote on someone who's not going to be lynched today? Why have you not talked about any of the actual cases that have been brought up recently? Because I'm still undecided so far. I'm just don't really like lynching people I never played with before d1 in general so I don't talk about imallinson at all because I want to have more time to get a proper read on him because I don't know what's "normal" for him and what's not. I'm sure you'll find my opinion on every other guy that has been mentioned so far as I actually played with most of the people in this game before. Call a name and I'll copy & paste the quotes but I'm sure you could just search for it yourself. Am I posting too much so that I'm like gonzaw or are you not reading my posts? You haven't said anything about Dirkzor either. I know you've played with Zeph before, VE has brought a case. I guess I just ninja'ed you. Not much of an opinion on Dirkzor right now. He's one of the guys I'd rather have a look at day-2 or day-3. Same goes for Zeph. Last game I wanted to lynch him because I found a couple of posts that read like scumslips to me and he ended up flipping mafia. So pretty much the same as Dirkzor: Rather leave him alive and check out d2 or d3. If he's mafia he'll slip soon enough. I'm really in favor of lynching vets d1 in general. That's why you'll mostly find me comment on those people because I feel more comfortable judging them even with fewer amounts of posts.
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Mattchew. I'm glad you took the effort to write something thats wasn't useless. Now instead its just wrong:
On August 24 2012 01:53 Mattchew wrote:Why we should lynch Dirkzor, according the the TL Mafia Vets who wrote a guide A. SurvivalHiding/Blending in + Show Spoiler +This thread stinks, everyone else has said it, why not me? I wanna look like I care too guys! On August 21 2012 05:47 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 16:16 Dirkzor wrote:Oh god. 7 pages of nothingness so far. Oh and btw I'm to.. No... not that. Horrible way to enter a thread. On August 20 2012 07:41 Drazerk wrote:
##Take In Sunlight
##Solar Beam: VisceraEyes On August 20 2012 07:56 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 07:55 strongandbig wrote:On August 20 2012 07:52 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 07:51 Toadesstern wrote:On August 20 2012 07:48 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 07:46 Toadesstern wrote:
as if. I'll consider that a troll and if you really do damage I'll blast right back.
Also: sup guyses I GOT A KP ROLE OUT OF MY TROLL Basically all I wanted I said you're trolling. Go figure what that might mean for my post. Still you wouldn't do the threat if you couldn't back up with something other than a half assed vote that means nothing soooooo... why were you trying to out kp roles? Track the damage track the scum Since this is the most interesting thing so far I'll guess its also the best way to start. Drazerk's maybe fake solar beam doesn't make any sense. I know its Drazerk so in that way I could be excused. But the way he explained it doesn't fit a Drazerk move (as I remember him from last I played). I would have expected a more "Because I wanted too" response. All that is meta and not super reliable. But "Track the damage track the scum" doesn't even make sense. Even if you know that Toad have a KP doesn't make it easier to find scum? I dislike Drazerk's posting so far... I end it with this lulz: On August 20 2012 10:44 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:28 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote:
I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind)
So the following -
No pokemon names
No Type
No role information
No claiming medic to save scum
Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green Why do you keep stating obvious things -_- I have my reasons I hope they don't revolve around you using the argument later of "look at how helpful I was being, I clearly cannot be scum" because well, general advice to a group of players who at this point should all know the basics of playing clearly wouldn't need said advice. I never defend myself You should know this by now Then you should really stop playing so scummy. Playing as you are now reaks almost as distinctly red as mr kurumi over there. He smells bad. Theres no real way for me to stop looking like scum with my play style and its why you will need to kill me (I said kill not lynch) before Lylo other whys ill make an awful call at a critical situation and lose town the game or you will all suspect me and lose town the game. Man, I think dirk just claimed scum with this post. hurrah Hurrah. Now kill me so I can stop reading this garbage.
How is that hiding and blending in? If I wanted to do that I could just have been spamming useless one liners about pokemon gen 1 or whatnot. If you re-read the first 10 pages you realize that NOTHING productive came out it.
On August 24 2012 01:53 Mattchew wrote:Posting long but contentless posts + Show Spoiler +On August 21 2012 16:26 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 09:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 21 2012 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 21 2012 07:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
If there's no support for it, then I'll entertain the cases put forth. There isn't much more to say on the matter, and anyone who dwells on this should be put under scrutiny. It's a vote like any other vote, I've given my reasoning for it - it's up to you guys to convince me that your read on random player is better than my seething hatred for grush' playstyle. I can tell you without a doubt that attempting to bully me for it is not going to work. Posted again because you apparently missed it Toad. The case on Kurumi is that he's Kurumi. The case on Draz is inflated WIFOMY bullshit that consists mostly of setup speculation. The case on BC is...that he said the same thing as you? Last time I checked, agreeing with someone isn't a scumtell, so until he elaborates on his read of Dirk I'm reserving judgement on BC. I'm not reluctant to talk about my thoughts, I just don't have many yet. If this doesn't satisfy you, then my sincerest of apologies. Hopefully my future contributions are up to your standards. Simple, he basically said he didn't want to be terrible about how he entered the thread. He then jumps on the bandwagon of the day of that time by making a large "say nothing post" as his post really says jack shit aside from talking about the fake solar beam. Its a space filler post on the person with the largest bit of heat on them that offers no new information or really anything of note at all. Why spend time making a post look large if you aren't going to put content with it. Since then he has had 1 post of complete apathy of "not wanting to read this garbage" that he is in no way helping to solve. Seems pretty open shut to me atm. A "say nothing post"? I basicly had the samw worries that S&B did in his big case against Drazerk. My post was just completely crap at explaining my problem with drazerk since it was all hunches and feelings. The way I entered was just a punch towards those entering with a town claim which is basicly useless and imo a complete stupid way to enter a thread. While I agree that Drazerk was the biggest focus point during the first part of D1, the solar beam thingy wasn't mentioned in the 2-3 pages before I posted so I brought it up again because it was the only thing worth mentioning.
Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 09:30 wherebugsgo wrote:yeah Mattchew, I don't have as much time as I normally do. I'm going to try not to rage if something retarded happens (like in BC's game) but I'm also hosting AoK mafia which is taking quite a lot more time than expected. I don't like imallinson and I would be fine with lynching him today. If you all would kindly take a glance at his posts, in most of them he fails to take a strong opinion and defers his own stances to the opinions of others. For example: On August 21 2012 09:18 imallinson wrote:
I guess what need weighing up with regards to a Grush lynch is would lynching anyone else give us more info? On August 21 2012 09:00 imallinson wrote:On August 21 2012 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote:On August 21 2012 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise? cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town Yeah, this sounds like you as town too. The reason I haven't "sunk my teeth into a candidate" yet is because there are no real candidates for me to choose from. Draz is like the only one and I don't like the fact that a bandwagon built on the BS case SnB put forth. It's a shitty case and I don't like the smell of the bandwagon that formed from it...so I'm not supporting it presently. My grush wagon could use some help though, if you're interested. It's guaranteed to rid the game of an anti-town poster and gosh, it might even net us a scum. What do ya say? It feels kind of wrong lynching someone who can't defend himself. I've never played a game with him before, is he normally this spammy and terrible in his posting? The only real thing he's contributed is that he thinks people aren't thinking "outside of the box" enough with respect to roles (about the multiple power thing). However, that has nothing to do with finding scum and he himself admits its pretty much not of any help: On August 21 2012 08:20 imallinson wrote:On August 21 2012 08:12 Mementoss wrote:On August 21 2012 08:09 imallinson wrote:On August 21 2012 07:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 21 2012 07:39 imallinson wrote:
I've been out all day so I apologise for not posting earlier.
One thing I noticed, between the spam, is a hell of a lot of role discussion, talk about kp, etc. I think everyone has missed a very important point in all this. These are pokemon we are dealing with and last I checked most of them have more than one power. Because this is PTP it wouldn't surprise me if most people did have more than one power. Add to that the fact that all the role talk has been about standard mafia roles it seems like no one is really thinking outside the box on the roles. The real question is do they think it's the case a not talking about it for strategic reasons. I'm not a fan of misdirection in mafia from a town perspective because it normally only serves to make scum hunting harder. Most roles can be equated to standard mafia roles. You can deal KP? Your a vig role. You can protect? medic role. You can edit your posts? Okay, this one doesn't exist. Short of everyone claiming what role they created (Which might be useful, but a great way for scum to fuck with us), we have to use terms that everyone else will understand. Once we get through a round of Night actions, (assuming decon\greymist use the ability names) we'd be able to refer to specifics. I didn't really mean calling roles different names just because of PTP. I'm perfectly fine calling KP role vig, protect role medic and so on. I'm talking about roles that would never be in a normal game of mafia and thus don't have a standard name. I'm pretty the role I created doesn't fit into any normal mafia role and I'm sure there a lot of other cases like that. As for role calling I think it's a terrible idea, especially in PTP because you can make up a fake role for yourself just as easily as the role you created for someone else. I do agree with you that things should become clearer after night 1 because we will at least get some info on the roles that are in play. But how do your thoughts on roles and PTP mechanics help us catch scum? It doesn't really, I'm just pointing out a big missing piece in all the role talk so far. Honestly I don't think role talk day 1 will be helpful in this set up.On August 21 2012 08:12 Drazerk wrote:On August 21 2012 08:05 wherebugsgo wrote:On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote:
I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind)
So the following -
No pokemon names
No Type
No role information
No claiming medic to save scum
Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green On August 20 2012 21:30 Drazerk wrote:
Also to go one step further
I'm a bug type so fire / flying / rock types - Bring it Herp derp? I don't know if anyone else noticed this (I have to reread some of what I missed) but I saw this and figured it has to be pointed out. Unfortunately it's Drazerk, so to be completely honest my read of Drazerk doesn't change here. I'm an exception to my own rule because at some point I need to be taken down for the good of the town But is that point now? So if it's not going to be helpful why is he spending his time pointing that out instead of trying to find scum? In addition, note his vague language, his meek attitude, and his overall "hide and say a few noncontroversial things and hope no one notices me" style. All of these things are great ways for scum to blend in. ##vote imallinson While this case at face value makes sense I figured I'd dig deeper. imallinson is pretty new here so I figured he could just be intimidated by the amount of veterans in the game and thus explaining his meek attitude. So i skimmed his newbie game and the mad men game. In neither of those does he appear meek or insecure about his thoughts. So more power to this case due to that.
Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 09:08 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 21 2012 09:06 Mattchew wrote:On August 21 2012 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote:On August 21 2012 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise? cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town Yeah, this sounds like you as town too. The reason I haven't "sunk my teeth into a candidate" yet is because there are no real candidates for me to choose from. Draz is like the only one and I don't like the fact that a bandwagon built on the BS case SnB put forth. It's a shitty case and I don't like the smell of the bandwagon that formed from it...so I'm not supporting it presently. My grush wagon could use some help though, if you're interested. It's guaranteed to rid the game of an anti-town poster and gosh, it might even net us a scum. What do ya say? I'd like a more informed read to lynch off of and I agree that SnB's case is weak, but I still have a scum read on Draz. He is back peddling and clearly nervous while trying to act like he's been cool calm and collected the entire game. You also haven't voted a weak read early (to provoke reaction) and said my vote is my tool or w.e you say, so I wouldn't be completely against lynching you currently You're not alone - but I strongly advise against it. I'm town and intend to show it soon enough. But my vote IS a tool, that much has not changed. I'm just using it differently this game than you're used to seeing.
A fancy way of saying: My meta have changed... and that are always bullshit that people say when they think people got caught with some meta stuff. Eyes on VE. And lastly: @heist: Not so much suicidal anymore as this thread is turning for the better. The first 10 pages just had me regretting signing up. But why so interested in something thats clearly sarcastic? No one wants to die D1 in a mafia game why use the energy?
You say I post nothing with content. The post you quoted had content (bolded). Yes i fucked up the meta part. My case on you is also without content? My attack on JH is without content?
Not wanting to point fingers + Show Spoiler +Only goes after VE and myself, and has now gone after... no one? also this post, where he brings up things but doesnt accuse anyone of anything On August 23 2012 23:47 Dirkzor wrote:I don't read irony.... But reading your run-in with mattchew does make it make sense a bit more. Show nested quote +There's just a bit of a difference here, mine was more recent, had more work on it, and came to a solid conclusion, which was followed by a vote. Yours, on the other hand, was just a lot of waffle. Wait, what? More recent? That was 1-2 pages and about 10 hours after my case. I won't categorize that as more recent. More work? Why? Because you did some shitty post by post analysis? I came to a solid conclusion: Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 16:54 Dirkzor wrote:
I think mattchew is scum just cruising by.. forgot to add that in the end. Which is basicly the same you came to during your post-by-post: Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 03:10 JingleHell wrote:
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Starting to see a trend. Minimal content, wanting to sheep people. Usually scummy to want someone else to lead on cases.
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More wanting to sheep and hide behind other players.
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Given the fact I made the case during N1 I couldn't vote and so much have happened since that just blindly voting Mattchew now seems, in my eyes, a bit of an overkill and out of place. I'm still re-reading d1 and trying to put the pieces together. Found this gem: Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 03:44 Mementoss wrote:
If you read Toad's posts I think its fairly obvious he's not Meowth. I only have a little while before I leave before deadline and am still unsure where to place my vote. I still am really uncomfortable with Mattchews play, but no one seems to care about his sheneningans. The only thing that doesn't make me think he is scum, is his scum meta from LIII was very aggressive. Do with that info however you want.
Not wanting to point fingers? I've pointed 2 already - as you yourself just wrote. Giving 2 clear cut scumreads IS pointing fingers. The case on you was posted just over 24 hours ago. I'm not spewing out cases since we need to focus on a few. Me making 3-4 cases would not help anyone. You were the one who looked the most likely to be scum so the case was on you.
Avoiding responsibility and Apathy about who is lynched + Show Spoiler +On August 22 2012 04:41 Dirkzor wrote:
So with 1½ hours left we should start to consolidate. Seems to me there are only 2 real targets. Myself and allinson.
TBH i don't know what to write. Of course I'll change my vote to allinson to increase my own chance of survival. I'm still nut sure if he is scum or not but he never got on my green list.
How the fuck am I avoiding responsibility for the lynch? Thats kinda hard when I am one of the 2 targets left. Since I know myself to be town the only sensible thing to do is to vote elsewhere to secure I don't die. And apathy? What? I explained why I voted for allinson even though he wasn't my best scumread at the time. I wanted to live...
B. Pushing their agendaPromoting confusion + Show Spoiler +On August 20 2012 16:16 Dirkzor wrote:
Oh god. 7 pages of nothingness so far.
Oh and btw I'm to.. No... not that. Horrible way to enter a thread. On August 21 2012 05:47 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 16:16 Dirkzor wrote:Oh god. 7 pages of nothingness so far. Oh and btw I'm to.. No... not that. Horrible way to enter a thread. On August 20 2012 07:41 Drazerk wrote:
##Take In Sunlight
##Solar Beam: VisceraEyes On August 20 2012 07:56 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 07:55 strongandbig wrote:On August 20 2012 07:52 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 07:51 Toadesstern wrote:On August 20 2012 07:48 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 07:46 Toadesstern wrote:
as if. I'll consider that a troll and if you really do damage I'll blast right back.
Also: sup guyses I GOT A KP ROLE OUT OF MY TROLL Basically all I wanted I said you're trolling. Go figure what that might mean for my post. Still you wouldn't do the threat if you couldn't back up with something other than a half assed vote that means nothing soooooo... why were you trying to out kp roles? Track the damage track the scum Since this is the most interesting thing so far I'll guess its also the best way to start. Drazerk's maybe fake solar beam doesn't make any sense. I know its Drazerk so in that way I could be excused. But the way he explained it doesn't fit a Drazerk move (as I remember him from last I played). I would have expected a more "Because I wanted too" response. All that is meta and not super reliable. But "Track the damage track the scum" doesn't even make sense. Even if you know that Toad have a KP doesn't make it easier to find scum? I dislike Drazerk's posting so far... I end it with this lulz: On August 20 2012 10:44 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:28 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote:
I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind)
So the following -
No pokemon names
No Type
No role information
No claiming medic to save scum
Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green Why do you keep stating obvious things -_- I have my reasons I hope they don't revolve around you using the argument later of "look at how helpful I was being, I clearly cannot be scum" because well, general advice to a group of players who at this point should all know the basics of playing clearly wouldn't need said advice. I never defend myself You should know this by now Then you should really stop playing so scummy. Playing as you are now reaks almost as distinctly red as mr kurumi over there. He smells bad. Theres no real way for me to stop looking like scum with my play style and its why you will need to kill me (I said kill not lynch) before Lylo other whys ill make an awful call at a critical situation and lose town the game or you will all suspect me and lose town the game. Man, I think dirk just claimed scum with this post. hurrah Hurrah. Now kill me so I can stop reading this garbage. On August 21 2012 16:26 Dirkzor wrote:
And lastly:
@heist: Not so much suicidal anymore as this thread is turning for the better. The first 10 pages just had me regretting signing up. But why so interested in something thats clearly sarcastic? No one wants to die D1 in a mafia game why use the energy? All this, while not doing much of anything to promote a better discussion, he blandly points a finger at draz and doesnt ask questions.
You say I was promoting confusion? With my 2 post during the 10 pages long spamfest that was early d1? Come on... The thread was shit and I wrote that.
All in all you are nitpicking my posts only taking those promoting your cause while leaving out all the stuff I actually did: Pushing VE d1, case on you and questioning JH for instance.
All the things you say I've done wrong someone else in the thread have done worse. While that is not a defence that hold water I'm just amazed that you guys are still riding my back. I've been defending myself since mid d1 while posting a case and giving my reads. I just don't know how to convince you guys I'm not scum.
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Kurumi: Explain to me exactly what changed since you voted Mattchew? You voted mattchew and now you believe mattchew made a good case against me and think I'm scum? So either I did something super scummy in the mean time or Mattchew became super townie I just don't understand what changed because his case didn't really reveal anything new...
While I think mattchew's case is nonesense (and not only because its made on me) I'm becoming more and more unsure about our whole situation. No one is really pushing the discussion anywhere which indicate that its mostly townies shouting at eachother much like it was D1.
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And BC can't be wrong? Not ever... never ever... And toad didn't want to comment on Zephirdd - is he scum then? Toad didn't comment on allinson and he flipped town...
I feel like I'm repeating myself.
I think hopeless1der is scum.
Now you can all call me scum for that one. Night.
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God you're a stupid one aren't you:
On August 22 2012 03:25 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 03:19 HiroPro wrote:On August 22 2012 03:13 Toadesstern wrote:On August 22 2012 03:06 HiroPro wrote:
Hi toad. Why is your vote on someone who's not going to be lynched today? Why have you not talked about any of the actual cases that have been brought up recently? Because I'm still undecided so far. I'm just don't really like lynching people I never played with before d1 in general so I don't talk about imallinson at all because I want to have more time to get a proper read on him because I don't know what's "normal" for him and what's not. I'm sure you'll find my opinion on every other guy that has been mentioned so far as I actually played with most of the people in this game before. Call a name and I'll copy & paste the quotes but I'm sure you could just search for it yourself. Am I posting too much so that I'm like gonzaw or are you not reading my posts? You haven't said anything about Dirkzor either. I know you've played with Zeph before, VE has brought a case. I guess I just ninja'ed you. Not much of an opinion on Dirkzor right now. He's one of the guys I'd rather have a look at day-2 or day-3. Same goes for Zeph. Last game I wanted to lynch him because I found a couple of posts that read like scumslips to me and he ended up flipping mafia. So pretty much the same as Dirkzor: Rather leave him alive and check out d2 or d3. If he's mafia he'll slip soon enough. I'm really in favor of lynching vets d1 in general. That's why you'll mostly find me comment on those people because I feel more comfortable judging them even with fewer amounts of posts.
You aren't confirmed shit. You are most likely town but not confirmed but you should still read and think instead of just thinking: "A case... OKAY I'LL VOTE YEEHAAAAA"
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On August 24 2012 09:02 BioSC wrote:
Finally, one thing I'm surprised that no one talked about, was the claimed vigi shot from StrongandBig. He claimed a shot onto Drazerk right before the Day post, but ended up being confused. That could be an effect from mafia, casting confusion onto a character with a chance to kill themselves, or possibly a redirect off of Draz. I don't know what it could have been, but it is interesting nonetheless.
I'm actually quite interested in this aswell... Also it appears that Drazerk doesn't know a thing about it:
On August 24 2012 10:07 Drazerk wrote:
Didn't S+B kill himself?
I dont actually think hopeless1der is scum. I just wanted to see what happened... Not much happenend though =/
On August 24 2012 10:02 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 09:49 Drazerk wrote:
I still think scum would of shot VE for flip insurance but so far his play is coming of as town to me
I dislike Wiggles because of the timing on the shooting and the majority of his play only happening when he was under scrutiny.
Mattchew is giving me bad vibes but the bandwagon is ALSO giving me bad vibes so I'm not sure what to do about that but given the choice of Mattcher / Dirk ill probably vote mattchew
I want to see more of the following - Jinglehell, Heist and Misder or for someone to shoot all three
I also want Kurumi to tell us what he knows about Zel because something is clearly up with that.
What do you want me to do more of? I've contributed on Mattchew, and I haven't really got any other clear reads right now. So if I see someone say something that sounds scummy, I chip in, but I'm trying not to clutter the thread. By the way, if Mattchew used his KP, it didn't land on target, since he was confused, courtesy of yours truly, Magnemite. In fact, reading the flavor text, it may have inadvertently been the cause of death of Toad, going by the "shocking end" bit. I cause an ability to hit a random target. I'm not entirely sure why the flavor is different than that of a confused Pokemon hitting themselves, though. Due to the fact that this may sound slightly off, if you feel the need to flip me and make sure I'm telling the truth, just remember me when I'm gone and blue.
Can you explain you ability in full? Is/was it only kp abilites that hit random targets or all night actions? All actions?
##Vote Mattchew
His claim and they way it was done leaves me to believe that its a fake claim or at least a claim made out of desperation. Either as town or scum there is no reason to claim a 0.5 hit... And if you want to claim it do it right before or right after the night post. All it serves now is to move the discussion from scum to roles. I also think mattchew's scum buddies told him to go do a case on me - which he did. But notice how generic it is. There is no real substance to the case he made on me.
All the little things just add up to mattchew being scum. BC calling him scum, then getting shot (Yes thought I was most scummy - The shot could then be explained by further incriminate myself. If it was scum shot - which i believe.). Mattchews "scumslips". The slight resistance to his lynch.
(I still playing with the thought that zephir and mattchew both being town... I just can't seem to make it fit right... Mattchew as scum seems much more plausible and someone once told me to keep it simple. Hence the vote on Mattchew.)
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On August 25 2012 02:57 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 02:04 Misder wrote:
This post is so wishy washy, this post alone makes me want to switch off mattchew. Conjoined with Hopeless's timing of his defense post gah.
Hi again.
Day 2 post- the only thing of importance (besides the fact that two people flipped scum) is the flavor of the kills.
BC vs Wiggles into BC getting dayvig shot- I had BC as scum at the end of Day 1, so I don't believe it's that bad of a shot if it was a town dayvig. (Though obviously, it could be a scum dayvig that wanted to get rid of a vet...). Same thing as before, can't really tell the alignment of the shot. Wiggles put a lot of effort into the case though, which leads me to believe that he's town.
The first part of this post says shooting BC defending the shot if its town, did Misder shoot BC? Effort = town?
I also have WBG as town, though I haven't looked carefully at his filter yet. I just get a town vibe from him.
He says WBG is town for no reason at all, WBG put no effort, but is magically town without him reading him up.
More unexplained town reads.
Also VE is town. Drazerk's posting has gotten way better, making me think he's town as well.
Mattchew is interesting. When I played with him before GMarshal's PYP, he did the exact same thing he did day 1 when he was town (pointing fingers without backing stuff up, and posting one-liners all the time aka being scummy). If I was going to vote on meta, I would say that Mattchew is a bad lynch target. But I'm not, so ##Vote:Mattchew.
Here comes the wishy washiness. Mattchews case is interesting. Well ya couldn't have been more vague could ya? All meta Misder has with mattchew points him to believe hes town, but yeah FUCK META, I'm going to vote him. He never gives a reason for voting mattchew other than he's interesting and following his town meta.
Also, there's a JingleHell v Mattchew and a Mattchew v Dirkzor thing going on (where the first person is the one attacking).
As for JingleHell, I was actually writing a case on him but it stopped when I read the post where he claimed a role. That claim seems out of the blue, which I don't know if scum would do. He's obviously being more productive though (pushing a Mattchew case) so I don't mind him being alive for now.
This paragraph on jinglehell just shows misder is not reading the thread. Jinglehells post wasn't out of the blue it explained mattchews missed shot and explained how toad died.
I feel like lynching Dirkzor would clear up a lot of stuff though, and I still think he's being scummy. But Mattchew works too.
This last line, wow, just wow. Concludes his post with no clear direction, shows a lack of interest for the flip. We can lynch dirkzor for information, or mattchew whatever
Read this earlier but don't have time to repsond. Memen mimics my own thoughts.
This will come of as scummy as fuck but I really don't have time. Is at family dinner.
##Vote Misder
I've had the feeling we've been looking the wrong places and now I feel we are looking the right ones. Biggest problem is if Misder (and/or hopeless if you guys switch to him) flips town we'll go back to discussing lynching me and mattchew again. Lets hope we are right together and Misder is scum.
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Just pouring out thoughts here. I can make no sense of what is going on.
I still think misder is scum. His post are big, but far between.
On August 25 2012 04:37 Misder wrote:
Really, this lynch is between 3 townies. This is ridiculous.
Seems like a weird comment to throw out... How can he be so sure?
Other then that I'm thinking back and getting paranoid. The whole Toad shot VE. Maybe it was a bus. Maybe scum figured they should just bus the shit out of eachother from the start. It expains why VE is underperforming this game and making excuses "Worst town play eve. Sorry" or whatever he wrote. It just seems odd because all the games I've played with VE he is ALWAYS sure he is right.
Kurumi is also a guys the I'm iffy about if scum decided to just bus the shit out of eachother. The whole toad vs Kurumi thing before toad died... Of course scum didn't know Toad would die. That was quite random (as most actions during night 1 seems to have been) that toad got killed it seems. But niether was Toad or Kurumi really in any danger of getting lynched when all their battle was ongoing and it was at the end of N1. Things discussed just before day posts are usually forgotten when everyone sees who flipped. That made it the best time to bus eachother.
Furthermore Kurumi is quick to claim the townrole. Since then Kurumi has done nothing but spamming up the thread calling Zephirdd town (why is that again?) calling and voting Mattchew, myself and Hopeless scum. 2 of those are confirmed town to me (myself and hopeless) and mattchew im on the fence about. Og and even though toad an Kurumi voted eachother day1 both ended up voting allinson.
Using orcams razor and all Kurumi is most likely town. He is just playing so bad and being all over the place that I'm starting to wonder.
This is all speculation and crap but I just need to get it out so I can focus. And no one have been posting anything so I thought it would maybe spark something in people.
My biggest problem this game is that I litterally have no townreads. 0. I usually boil the game down to double the amount of mafiaplayers and then try to kill of the most scummy of those. But this game everyone left could in my mind be scum.
Lets run through the players quickly shall we? (You don't get to answer really...)
Zephirdd:
Have been very inactive (like most of us. Myself included). No townlike movies really. Throwaway vote d1 (on hopeless a townie). He then proceeds to vote mattchew BECAUSE of his claim (he was voting me before) and then after the hopeless lynch he saids he doesn't find Mattchew to be that scummy BECAUSE of his claim. Huh? + Show Spoiler +Okay now that I'm reading his post I'm not sure if he means that the claim convinced him scum or convinced him that mattchew is town. Read here and figure out yourself.
Kenpachi:
Is kenpachi...
Kurumi and VE: See above
Drazerk:
Having really had an opinion on anyone since d1. I don't know where he is at or who he think is scum... He mentioned misder the latest as an active lurker but never called him scum.
Wiggles:
not around
Zelblades replacement:
No fucking clue about Zel OR the new guys. Did he even post more then hello?
Okay this was a bad idea and I have to go... Lets just end this with:
Fuck this game and everything with it. I just hope the scum team is having a good time seeing us squirm.
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Hokay. Didn't get hit last night. So either Mattchew is lying or everything got re-directed this night again? (maybe only mattchew due to jingle's confusion?)
Drazerk wtf is a zodiac list? Google no help me.
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I actually agree with HiroPro. The only thing that made me not think VE wasn't scum was the shot toad made. But looking back at the timing of the shot doesn't give me any reason to believe it was a scum bus shot. My discussion with VE was over. Everyone was voting me or allinson so no real pressure on VE at the time.
The only reason I can think of is that it would give VE more towncred in his crusade against getting me lynched.
I just can't really see why scum would shoot just there at that time. The lynch was already steering in the direction of my or allinson - 2 townies. So no real reason for scum to try to switch targets or derail the thread to talk about the shot.
At the same time I see now reason to shoot VE at that time if he was town either. Town or scum VE it doesn't make sense to shoot him there. At least not any sense I can find.
I have to look at HiroPro later to figure this out. =/
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