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On August 04 2012 08:22 Hapahauli wrote: ...well 1st time players =/ dw, I will play like I never have before. + Show Spoiler + get it? get it? | ||
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On August 04 2012 08:42 Lvdr wrote: Day 1 seems confusing, how exactly does the town apply pressure to mafia if they have no information? From my extensive research, I conclude that you just yell at some people and hope somebody slips up eventually | ||
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I like executing bad dudes, because I'm a good dude. Policy talk: Blindly lynching lurkers is probably just as bad as blindly lynching active people. If scum divides roles properly they will try to have ~2 posting actively and maybe 1 trying to lay low. Also, it's a huge tell if a lurker starts getting really active later in the game, so scum lurkers are not my primary concern right now. I do not agree with not lynching players just by merit of being active. But since it is highly unlikely that we find a big scumslip on day 1 (though one may hope), I would be fine with getting rid of a lurker day 1. I would also be okay with a no-lynch on day 1, since the chances of correctly lynching without information is 25%, so basically it's a crapshoot. But I'll understand if I find few supporters for that idea... Just putting it out there. | ||
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On August 06 2012 08:41 Hapahauli wrote: Welcome Dandel Ion! Good to see you in the threat so soon =) A couple of things regarding your post: I don't consider sudden activty later in the game a "huge-tell" - can you explain this to me? If somebody lurks all game and suddely gets really active when scum is in a dicey position, randomly bandwagons on somebody out of nowhere/etc. I would consider that extremely suspicious. Getting cred as an "active townie" after not contributing for days is pretty hard, I'd imagine. I have never played mafia before (forum or otherwise), so sure my opionions might be absolute BS, but right now, I don't feel threatened. On August 06 2012 08:41 Hapahauli wrote: No-lynching Day 1 is a terrible terrible idea. Even in the event of a mislynch, town gains so much information from the voting process that even a lynch with "poor odds" is beneficial. Furthermore, I believe town has a higher than 25% chance of lynching mafia if we don't bandwagon on an active/controversial poster (this is where most of the mislynches come from in the recent games I've seen). A no-lynch gives mafia a free night-kill while keeping the town in the dark. But with scum being able to coordinate themselves, I'd imagine it's very easy for them to force a bandwagon on a townie, no? | ||
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On August 06 2012 09:45 Lvdr wrote: Also it seems to me that if golbat was a failmafia in his last game, he probably got set as town in this one. Discuss. I know that's not 100% serious, but roles are random, right? No "I want to be DT"s or anything like that. | ||
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On August 06 2012 09:55 Golbat wrote: What do you mean by "failmafia"? I was town in my last game, hence, "overeager townie". Reading comprehension is important, yo. On August 06 2012 09:59 Hapahauli wrote: Erm dude, Golbat wasn't mafia in his last game. Scumslip or most obvious scumslip? Discuss. | ||
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On August 06 2012 10:54 iamperfection wrote: Speaking of previous games i would like to know how yourharry is going to aproach this game. If we are going to get your logic that makes no sense where your "sure" sombody is town or mafia i say we lynch you know before your logic festers and contaminates the town. One of the reason i lynched calgar in my previous game is because he actually used your logic in his own defense. Unforgivable in my view. Your thoughts? Now, now, let's wait until he actually posts... | ||
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On August 06 2012 16:50 YourHarry wrote: Shit LOL messed up the quotes. Oh well, more work for you guys. Why would you ever do that? Fix you post in an EBWOP instead. Now you come across as wanting town to have more work with analyzing you (seems pretty scummy to me), and also like a moron (not helpful for town in any way). I'd like to know what you were thinking there, just for reference. ______________ + Show Spoiler [Promethelax] + On August 06 2012 18:54 Promethelax wrote: I'm saying this once and never again. When I'm here I'll be active (as scum or as town look at XIX (scum) and XXII (town) for confirmation) when I am not here I will be at work, parties or with my fiance. During those times I will not post. Glad to see you are here for me bud! Yeah, I was working. Also Shady: my cases were actually pretty strong. The one on you was obviously wrong but it was a good case. (lets leave this til XXII finishes) I see there is a lot of policy talk, I don't like policies and feel that they don't contribute to town. I will be making a case on someone and voting for them on that case. Their posting habits may be a factor or may not but I will not make a policy on it. 1. True! 2. Did you read that game? I had town by the nose by virtue of not lurking. 3. No! Bad YourHarry, lynching a townie is always bad. Lynching a bad townie hurts town because we lose a townie. + Show Spoiler + shit fuck, I said town three times I must be+ Show Spoiler + me I'm pretty sure this post is a joke but this does not show a town mentality ##FoS: that dude, Harry or whatever + Show Spoiler + I'm high as balls. I don't know how much of this makes sense. If you need a translator ask tomorrow Please make posts that make sense too. So you either were high and use that as an excuse to lurk until tomorrow, or you want to post confusing nonsense-fluff. Either way, not the best start in my book ______________ (I hope it's alright that I modified his post in my quote so that it was correctly formatted. This made it much easier to read.) Thank you for that.. The rest of your post was fluff and OMGUS stuff, but at least I could read YourHarry's post. ______________ And as iamperfection pointed out: Sideni and ToleranceNA, get active. If you don't post, you're gonna get modkilled, you know? ______________ @Synystyr: You didn't post anything of substance yet, so I'm gonna ask you this: What do you think of Golbat? | ||
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On August 07 2012 01:28 Hapahauli wrote: I didn't vote you yet Synystyr, just an FOS is all. But what's with the passive finger-pointing? In the first post, you mention that "I could be active scum" trying to clear myself - what's the townie motive behind that? Secondly, that reasoning on Golbat is terribad: he's trying to stir shit up and focus on lurkers (good townie behavior), and therefore he's setting up to defend himself and therefore he's scum?! Yeah ok buddy. Well you could be scum. I don't think it's bad to point out that, just because something looks towny, it can't be scum-motivated too. He did not actually attack you, or even imply to direct his post towards you. It seemed to me like he was talking more in general. Yet you're getting pretty defensive, pretty fast. Synystyr, now that you're here, post some more plox. | ||
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On August 07 2012 02:07 Promethelax wrote: YH was town in XXI and played as inexplicably as he is playing here. He voted for three people on D1 and unvoted one of them about a million times (rereading his filter I can't tell how many were because he wrote them wrong and how many were because he changed his mind). All three of his targets were town. After reading this game, I'm convinced YourHarry has a secret DT role, the reverse DT. Everyone he attacks is town, people he says are town are mafia. He even breadcrumbed it in his in-post: Hi guys, I am in as the detective + Show Spoiler + This post was not serious, pls ignore. | ||
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On August 07 2012 02:33 Promethelax wrote: not going to lie, I laughed. But this is a waste of time and space. How do you feel about him and his play? Is Harry town, null or scum in your eyes and why? When I read his posts in this thread I saw him as my #1 scum read (though that does not mean too much, I don't have any realy strong reads yet). Then I read his previous game and saw him flip green. Now I just don't know what to think of him.... If he's town, his play makes no sense. If he's scum, his play makes no sense because it's TOO obvious. I just don't know what he IS, what I know is that his play doesn't help town. Also, sorry about the fluff, will try to not post random shit, but old habits die hard... | ||
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On August 07 2012 03:26 mkfuba07 wrote: I don't feel that it was fluff since my single post had been misinterpreted and used to start a case against me. I clarified my post so that others wouldn't misinterpret it similarly. I felt that most of what I said in that response was self-explanatory, but since YH evidently didn't think so, I saw the need to basically repeat myself. I suppose what I mean to say is that normally I would see my post as fluff, but in this case it was necessary as a response to accusations. I also don't consider it to be OMGUS, as I would have had the same suspicions were it not me he was voting for. I would be surprised if everyone else didn't become a bit suspicious of his haste in voting. I didn't vote for him, which I think is an action that would be just as hasty as his own, but I did want to voice what I saw. What was your read on him following that post? Following Prom's explanation of YH's behavior in the past, I'm left more confused than suspicious, but I'm not quite ready to drop my FoS. You can find my read on YH on the top of the page. + Show Spoiler [for reference] + On August 07 2012 02:41 Dandel Ion wrote: When I read his posts in this thread I saw him as my #1 scum read (though that does not mean too much, I don't have any realy strong reads yet). Then I read his previous game and saw him flip green. Now I just don't know what to think of him.... If he's town, his play makes no sense. If he's scum, his play makes no sense because it's TOO obvious. I just don't know what he IS, what I know is that his play doesn't help town. Also, sorry about the fluff, will try to not post random shit, but old habits die hard... It's of course in your right to defend yourself. Don't take what I said as a reason to post less, either. | ||
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Other than that, I have suspicions of Lvdr and Synyster, and very light suspicions of Promethelax, mkfuba and Shady Sands. With Sideni and Tolerance lurking hardcore, that leaves iamperfection, Golbat and Hapahauli. iamperfection and Golbat are kind of laying low, both barely noteable from interactions with the "Lvdr Assuption" (I mean this, just in case: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=7#122 Hapahauli on the other hand seems to be too busy keeping the conversation alive to do anything else. While that could be a elaborate ploy to avoid suspicion, right now, my gut instinct says it's not. And I like my gut. Because I am aware that my post is pretty wishy-washy, I'm gonna put it out straight: If I had to vote right now, I'd vote YourHarry | ||
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On August 07 2012 08:44 YourHarry wrote: Looking through Dandel Ion's filter, I don't see why he thinks I am scummy. @Dandel Discuss. You start off with the unreadable post, instead of fixing it you make a joke. Yes that point is old, and we've been over it already. Then you vote without giving a reason: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=9#169 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=9#170 Just to jump onto somebody else right after (note that none of either players you accuse have posted inbetween): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=9#174 Both players have also FoS'd you before that, so you respond by voting for them. When pointed out by the powers that be that you are voting wrong, you go back to voting Promethelax instead http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=9#177 I'd like for you to make sense of that, for I cannot. Your play is confusing to me, because as town, I don't see why you'd do that. | ||
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On August 07 2012 09:28 Sideni wrote: I don't feel like we're currently following the policy we instored for Day One  We need discussion. We NEED it. Just saying "yep let's lynch a lurker" and then go brain-afk will not help us. On August 07 2012 09:28 Sideni wrote: For Tolerance, I tried to contact him on Skype to tell him that the game had started, but he won't answer ... (He's my friend) Looks like we'll need someone to substitute him =( You might wanna be careful with that, I'm pretty sure it's forbidden to contact other players even for that. | ||
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On August 07 2012 10:11 YourHarry wrote: That's how I play. When I make a read, I post it. Sometimes I ask others to guess the reasons behind my vote. And sometimes, reasons behind my suspicions can seem trivial, especially in the beginning of the day. And as Hapha pointed out, I throw in different theories out there and see what people think of them and which one sticks. And they do a good job generating plenty of discussions early in the day. To be fair though, the second link referenced by "Just to jump onto somebody else right after" was actually me fixing my previous post regarding my suspicion on mkfuba. I guess that means you didn't read my original "messed" up post, because the contents were identical. And it seems that iamperfection seems to be blaming me for us losing the XXI game. I admit that I did not have a very good track record in voting or even in my reads that game. Though, I did suspect that calgar that game was town, which basically got ignored, understandably. I got some coaching though, and I think I am improving. You may disagree, but let's see how I do this game. I have a confidence in myself this game. Just trust me  Shit, sorry. I messed up there, forgot that you posted the fixed post too, later. Well, it still underlines that you should fix posts instantly instead of a page later. See the confusion? Massive confusion in my brain. Also, there is a reason why I didn't vote you (yet), but I do want you to know that I am watching you. Will read the rest of the thread closely now, and probably have to say a word or two. | ||
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On August 07 2012 15:04 Lvdr wrote: I didn't flip-flop on golbat, I wrote the case because the more obvious ones were taken. At the end of the case I actually point my FOS at synyster. My initial suspicion of YH has been almost universally shared. However, given the meta-game information that has come out and his prominence, YH seems more incompetent than sinister. My generally widespread suspicion has been in order to elicit as much discussion as possible. This struck me as odd in the first place: Why would you forgo posting additional reads just because the good ones are "taken"? Did you have nothing else to add? Then why would you even consider a case you YourHarry? I know I'm the guy that made the YourHarry "case" (I don't even consider what I wrote a case, I just said he was playing scummy/confusing. And a large portion of that was that I misread his filter, which was a moronic mistake on my part - see my previous post), but really, that one wasn't even strong enough to convince MYSELF to vote for him. So I am curious what your case would have been. To me, it seems weird to not post additional reads on a case, if you have them. Did you want to avoid looking like a bandwagoner? Why? That only makes you look like you're scared of getting lynched. | ||
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##Vote Synystyr If you want me to unvote you, post your reads. Your top scum reads, town reads, book reads, EVERYTHING. So far you have not taken a stance on anything out of your own ambition, you just answered me when I directly asked you about Golbat. So since it seems like we have to drag things out of you by force, I will try to do just that. I am yet undecided if I consider you scum or not, but if you don't show even a hint of initiative, I will make my stance clear. | ||
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Anywhooo /in again | ||
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On August 08 2012 02:36 Shady Sands wrote: Are we going to see a full list of roles from the last game or not? It's in prplz' post? + Show Spoiler + u dirty scum | ||
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On August 08 2012 02:40 Blazinghand wrote: YH actually played perfectly to his town meta, that wily fox. kamikaze scum is best scum? | ||
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On August 08 2012 02:45 Hapahauli wrote: 3 scum, 4 reads It's just a very scummy post - you mention you want to "narrow down your reads" like I suggested, then immediately post multiple suspicions. You're "ordering players by scumminess" instead of catching mafia. I did that too though. (just with actual scum on top of the list, suck it "town meta") | ||
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On August 08 2012 02:46 Keirathi wrote: Its not that. Its just that he played EXACTLY the way he did in XXI, in which he got lynched for it. People that were in that game with him would see that he was playing the same way, aka still a "bad townie" rather than a scum. It might night have worked forever, but I was certainly reading town on him this early as an outsider. Yeah but if I didn't read his past game, I would have totally pushed for a lynch... Risky business | ||
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On August 08 2012 03:02 TolEranceNA wrote: I sincerely apologize for my lack of activity in the past 24 hours, as for now, i will try my hardest to start being a useful and active town member. If you feel that I am lynch worthy, please share your opinion, as for my inactivity is due to my work schedule and my terrible memory! Seize the day! (1st Mafia game!) ##Vote ToleranceNA Doesnt read thread | ||
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I know it was barely 2 days, so I don't actually expect anything big to be in there, but just in case, I'd like to know | ||
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On August 08 2012 03:22 Sideni wrote: I want to know, how did iamperfection learn about Hapa's role ? Blazinghand has nothing to do with it. It was probably the spacemonkeys | ||
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Or something in that direction € Also, I saw you post before you edited it. YOU CANNOT ESCAPE | ||
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As for scumhunting, I learned that if YourHarry plays like scum, he is scum. Other than that, I was feeling pretty good about our chances. I think we would've had it easily after the lurkers/no-content-posters were gone, one way or the other. At least, if it went my way. I don't really think we neeeeeeeeeeed to go over too much of the policy stuff. Just get the thoughts from the 3 new guys (Axero, Kronen, Goodkarma). Anybody else can add what they want to add, but the policy shit should be in their filters already. | ||
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On August 10 2012 04:01 Lvdr wrote: I was writing a breakdown of Yh's town claim... then I read that it got retracted. So much for that. Given that the claim was retracted and YH (according to him) didn't know his alignment when he made the claim we cannot really draw any conclusions based on it. Any argument would be a WIFOM from YH's point of view, but even YH didn't know what his alignment was. That's assuming he said the truth. And you should never just assume that. | ||
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I just don't know what to say... | ||
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On August 10 2012 04:51 Promethelax wrote: I am suspicious of Dandel's play thus far: He started by skating over the policy discussion, which is fair since we all just started a game together. He also suggests a silly policy lynch and doesn't give us a read or an opinion. Okay, first post. Just had to post. Whatever. But almost 24 hours later he comes back into the thread to say: which is basic advice to a newb that we could all give. He hasn't given the thread anything and was so excited before hand. (Look at all of his posts between game 23a and 23b, I am forced to think that something changed and so his excitement died down, I read this as a scum tell and will be watching Dandel closely. Just to clarify this shit, "basic advice to a newb" is the point of this. It's called "Newbie Mafia", you know? I'd like for you to point out the exact syllable that's "scummy" about it. Yeah, I'm lurking so far, I know I know. But so are goodkarma and Axero, Sideni (again) and Shady Sands (not even a single post since the start) I'd like to know the reason why I'm so far above them, because I'm pretty sure you don't have one. Between YourHarry being YourHarry, mkfuba attacking YourHarry for being YourHarry, Lvdr being lvdr, mkfuba attacking lvdr for being lvdr, and the new people doing blanket statements about policy, I was yet unable to find anything I felt I could post on. That's my reason. | ||
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On August 10 2012 05:37 iamperfection wrote: Do you think we should still policy lynch yourharry? I was only 50% serious about that. So no, but if no better targets come up on day 1, I'll contemplate it again. | ||
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On August 10 2012 06:10 Sideni wrote: Arg ... Ok, looks like my cote didn't work REPOST Alright, finally read through all the posts since I went to bed yesterday ! :D @Dandel Ion : I have to make it clear ... As I said in XXIII.O, I'm working from 5am to 1pm every day. From the time I go to bed and the time I come back from work (do not forget that I do have a life outside of the Internet. i.e. I went to a music school today to get lessons ! :D) there's a lot of time for people to post and you have to remember, I'm a slow reader  I don't know if it's just that you forgot (I have to give it to you, it's from my first post in the game) or if you're trying to skip over that detail just to have one more name on your lurking list. =/ I have to tell you that it makes me a bit suspicious that you didn't know I was at work... However, I'm sure I'll forget (as you perhaps did) that Hapa is going on a trip for his marriage ! (Can't believe you fell for that trap(marriage) Hapa )Regarding the case of mkfuba : Honestly, I read through it and I felt it was a great case and you somehow convinced me a bit (enough to make Lvdr my number 1 suspect) ! The "Both hapa and yh are mafia or both are town?" got me ! Being town, I would only have written "Both Hapa and YH are mafia ?" or at least in a different order (town before mafia)... However, I felt that it was kinda early to get a case going, not that it's a bad thing, but it's quite early. An early case and an early vote, could be suspicious to my eyes, but I don't have anything to make a read from you ! At the same time of posting, I want to ask what means EBWOP :D Also, note for @YourHarry : Hi there, nothing personal, it just highly irritates me to see, in your posts, "Hapha" instead of "Hapa" ... Could you please take care of that just for me ? :D It would be so kind of you :D EBWOP = Edit By Way Of Post Basically "edit:", just in another post, since you're not allowed to edit in mafia. Shit I just explained something, sorry Promethelax, I'll never do it again | ||
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On August 10 2012 07:32 Sideni wrote: Concerning my bad English : When I say that you have to forgive me if I don't master English that well, I'm just saying that I may sometimes make a mistake with grammar or a vocabular one. I may also not use the appropriate words. However, I am able to translate from English to French and the quote I'm referring to can be read that way : "Hapa et YH sont mafias ou civils ?" You have to understand that translating from word to word, I can easily say that I would have said something a specific way... Concerning the fact that I didn't make my own case : Why would I make a second case about yourself if mkfuba already made one ? Mostly when I have nothing to add to it... If something convinces me, I'll tell you what about it convinces me ... Finally, you say that I'm fluffy (you don't give a specific example and I don't mind). However, just imagine if I would have made my own case about yourself. The exact same thing that our buddy mkfuba said ! It would be even more fluffy ! Sometimes, even if you're town, it's just better to keep yourself quiet if you have nothing to add (it just creates confusion) Your suspicions about myself make me even more suspicious... Making this post, ou just act like I'm an easy target and because I think you're suspicious, you turn against me (which is, in my opinion, somewhat of a way a scum would act) I have to call it : FOS lvdr Okay here's the thing I don't get (afair lvdr really stood out with that reasoning in game 0.5 - he was town that game though): If you're (vanilla) town, why would you be concerned with being second on a case? You should not be scared of getting lynched, like, ever. People might accuse you of bandwagoning - so what? Once you flip green, it's just more evidence against them. I understand that tunneling a single person too hard would be bad, but two people is not too much by any stretch of the imagination. Is my mentality just wrong here? | ||
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On August 10 2012 08:28 Sideni wrote: Well, I either answer to his post saying that I don't even care defending myself or I explain myself (just as I did) or I just don't answer... What is the smartest choice in your opinion ? I would gladly sacrifice myself to turn green to reveal that he's suspicious. However, I don't think it's smart If I just say that I don't care, it just feels to me that I don't pay attention to all details =/ If I don't answer, I'm being a lurker and this is bad for my party ! Gotta keep talking and if the talking can lead to something, then it's perfect ! :D So, last choice, I decided to explain myself. There's nothing wrong about explaining yourself ever ! I think you misunderstood a little... I'm saying you shouldn't hold back anything just because you're concerned how it'd reflect on you. I did not suggest you go and commit suicide. | ||
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On August 10 2012 08:28 Sideni wrote: Oh, I thought it was obvious, so I guess I skipped on that point ... =/ Well, first, if you only say "Both Hapa and YH are mafia ?" you look like a real town player (you care for the right thing). To illustrate myself, I'll have to use an example. Let's say you have oranges and grapefruits in a bag and you can't see them. Now, let's say you want an orange. You'll put your hand on one, you'll take it out (closing your eyes) and you'll ask the guy holding the bag : "Is this an orange ?" because that's the orange you want However, you asked : "Is this an orange or a grapefruit ?" Someone wouldn't talk about the grapefruit at all... Now, let's reverse the words : "Is this a grapefruit or an orange ?" First, you would never ask about the grapefruit at all ! Hmmm nevermind, I don't have to keep going on my explanation, I just realized how dumb my logic was xD I'm sorry to everybody for the confusion xD Well, at least, the fact that you wouldn't usually ask for town is still right ! Bolded part and your analogy that doesn't go anywhere looks pretty scummy to me. There's basically no goal, direction or reason behind this, but you still feel the need to share it with us. You apologize for the confusion, but good town play, in my book, is trying to AVIOD confusion. Confusion, gray shades and everything inbetween just give scum openings for misinterpretations. Please, in the bolded part you clearly showed that you have the theoretical ability to think your posts through, the only thing left is to actually do it. | ||
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On August 10 2012 09:19 Sideni wrote: Alright sir, I need some explanation from yourself ... You tell me in that post that a good town player would avoid confusion (that's why I cut on what I say sometimes). Although, in a post before, you're telling me that I shouldn't be afraid to say what I think... You're not coherent in your sayings. (I know that I can be incoherent as well, but that's why I excuse myself and that I explain my thoughts) I made a mistake in my logic and I thought it would be great to assume that it's my fault and to explain it instead of just saying "nevermind, I made a mistake"... As I already said, you're not coherent in your sayings about what you want me to do and it makes you suspicious to my eyes. Next thing that bugs me is that I've been pressuring lvdr a bit and at some point, you just came to defend him ... =/ I'm currently under pressure by both lvdr and you and nobody comes to help me I'm suspicious about you two. I looked at all the posts of lvdr and not a single one refers to you (in the current game). I did the same with your posts and the only time I have a result where you're talking about lvdr, it's either because you use a quote from someone talking about lvdr or because you're defending him... There's nothing, whatsoever, in the game, where you interact with each other, yet you both seem to be teamed up against me right now... You didn't even suspected each other even if there's enough material to ask yourself some questions ... For these reasons, I want to say FOS both of you, but I don't know if I can do that according to the rules. But, you're both on the same level of suspicions. What? Please quote the part where I defend Lvdr. Because I'm pretty sure I didn't do that. At this point, I'm almost convinced you INTENTIONALLY misunderstand what I'm writing. You shouldn't hold back READS and CASES. You SHOULD think about what you're posting. What of this is hard to understand? I don't get your "logic". Clarify please. | ||
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On August 10 2012 09:52 Kronen wrote: @Sideni I think he's trying to say don't be afraid to respond cogently before quickly. If you find yourself knee deep into an analogy that is going nowhere and it occupied 45min to an hour of your time, I'd be totally fine with you stymying the retort bandwagon by throwing down a quick post "Responding to X's post on such-and-such but it's taking some time... please stand by." That's more valuable to me than having to read a post you've already 85% redacted or nullified. @Dandel am I clear in understanding your statement? Pretty much. I already summarized it as: You shouldn't hold back READS and CASES. You SHOULD think about what you're posting. Here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=27#534 | ||
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On August 10 2012 10:10 Sideni wrote: Well, it looks like I overestimated the number of posts where you kinda defend lvdr. (note that defending isn't just to give counter arguments, it's also to take the attention off the thing you want to protect.) Here's where it begins. So in short, you have nothing that even indirectly implies I try to defend lvdr. Just as I thought. Alright, so with the question you ask me right here, you make me feel like you're using what lvdr brought. (I was explaining myself to him by that point.) wat. I do not understand the meaning of this sentence sorry. So, when you saw that you had a chance to interrogate me, you took it. Just as a child would get into the lie of his friend. Since then, you're still on my case and you just now decided to explain what you meant clearly ... (leaving me enough time to believe a lot of things and seem confused) So, just because I took a while to respond, because I don't camp this thread 24/7 and mash the F5 button every second, I'm deliberately trying to confuse you? Cause you seem to be doing a commendable job of confusing yourself already, doesn't really look like you need help to me. As I said, defending isn't only to use counter-arguments to protect someone, it can also be just the fact that you take the attention off the thing you want to protect. Well, since you started to get on my case, we haven't talked about lvdr and you haven't even talked about how he behaves ... (Without any hesitation taking care of me) So because I think you're playing scummy, it's a conspiracy between me and lvdr to screw you over? No, you're just playing scummy. However, this takes the prize: The first thing I had bolded is somehow unusual to me =/ We all know lvdr was town last game. However, you have to specify that fact ? Why would you have to tell us that he was town ? Is it because you know his rank in this game ? And if you know his rank, we all know where you belong The "though" at the end of that sentence is what gets most of my attention ! It feels like you're saying : "Last time he was X, now he's Y" and since there are only 2 possibilities and X != Y, he has to be mafia if we follow what you're saying ! I clarified that, because I don't see the TOWN motivation for it, but a confirmed townie did it in the last game. You jump to the craziest conclusions and deliberatly try to twist and turn anything I say into your idea of scum behavior, what you do can't be town play. It reeks more like trying to get a mislynch train rolling than anything else. If you ever post a coherent case against me, I'll gladly take it, but you're just grasping for any straw you can find | ||
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The difference between wanting a selection of lynch targets, and having a selection of lynch targets is allmost null to me right now. I wouldn't know if somebody deliberatly tried to keep the options open, but what I know is that I have a bunch of options right now. And I don't think it's possible for me to spot the difference between those stances on day 1. I'm willing to bet that you can't either. On that note, I'd like the time to highlight something Promethelax said here:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=25#498 SS and Dandel: don't give me this shit. Discuss the game and the players, we essentially got a free meta test day with D1.0 so we are starting from a better position than we were in on the first day one. I, for one, see more from this day than the one before it. Proclaiming that, he follows up with these two posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=26#505 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=26#506 And hasn't said anything since. Now I know he's away a lot, so don't give me that, but he obviously had the time to post afterwards. But instead of sharing his reads, he vanishes with two no-content posts. | ||
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I could see the merits of lynching lvdr or Axero too, but I'd be a bit more hesitant on them Other than that, there's still a few people that didn't post anything substantial yet... Though in my opinion we don't need to policy-lynch a lurker right now. | ||
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On August 11 2012 01:00 Hapahauli wrote: Can you outline your suspicions of Sideni? I think the case on Sideni is comprised of a lot of OMGUS. Context: Sideni already misunderstood some smaller things beforehand, in retrospect I see that as intentional. 1) I point out a scummy post by him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=27#530 In itself not too bad, just a bit scummy flavored. 2) but this one is where I start seeing him as scum: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=27#533 He somehow deduces out of my 1) post that I'm defending Lvdr (something I didn't even indirectly do) and in addition to that, he intentionally (I feel safe to assume by now) misunderstands me yet again, to fabricate a contradiction in my posts. 3) Even after I point out he's spouting random nonsense, he just doesn't let his weak claims rest http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=28#547 I adressed his post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=28#550, but since he went to bed and hasn't appeared ever since, I still have no answer. Not that I'm expecting much of it. Yes, I'm probably biased since he put his "case" on me, but can you honestly say you see a town motivation behind his actions? Or even basic logic? Hell, I'd be happy with basic logic. | ||
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On August 11 2012 01:02 Hapahauli wrote: Also, why the hesitancy against Lvdr and Axero? What part of the suspicions against them do you feel aren't valid (or are less valid than yours against Sideni)? Axero is just a lurker to me - in fact I see much of your suspicion towards him as OMGUS since he FoS'd you early in his posts, also your assumption that he was told to not lurk by the mafia coach. I don't share your assumption about the coach, and I can't OMGUS him, so to me, he's just a lurker with slightly scummy posts. I wouldn't call it hesitancy - I'd be kinda okay with lynching him after all. I just think Sideni is a better target. That my be biased, but it's how I feel about it atm. Getting to lvdr in a sec | ||
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But as I write this he posts: On August 11 2012 01:19 Lvdr wrote: Regarding my apparent lack of scumhunting: I was the first to make a case against Sideni, however, Dandel started grilling Sideni so I decided to back off. In my opinion, Sideni has not done a particularly good job of defending himself. The strange analogies don't mean anything and contribute to a filter that is incredibly fluffy. Just because I decided to question him a bit, doesn't mean you shouldn't. You had the same reasoning in game 0.5, going so far as to not post cases on scummy players because the "good ones were already taken". That is a reasoning I can't share, and it looks scummy to me. But in game 0.5 you were town, so I don't think I can use that as a scum tell comfortably. | ||
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##vote Sideni If somebody ELSE has something he'd like to ask me, I'll answer. | ||
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On August 11 2012 02:33 Hapahauli wrote: @ Dandel Ion: Sideni posted quite the case on you, and you going "lol, Vote Sideni" makes you look pretty shitty. If you are town, I highly suggest you defend yourself. As of now, I'm reading through Sideni's case, and I'll post my thoughts within the hour Please read through it before saying things like that. I don't trust myself to respond in a calm matter, I'd just insult him over and over - that would not help anyone. If you read it and still think it's worth responding to, tell me. | ||
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On August 11 2012 02:49 Dandel Ion wrote: Please read through it before saying things like that. I don't trust myself to respond in a calm matter, I'd just insult him over and over - that would not help anyone. If you read it and still think it's worth responding to, tell me. What about it now you read it? | ||
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On August 11 2012 04:09 Promethelax wrote: Here Dandel says that the bolded part of Sadini's post both doesn't go anywhere/is scummy and shows the ability to think a post through...errrr what? Why blatantly contradict yourself? Setting yourself up to distance from a lynch? Please read it properly. He has the THEORETICAL ability to think his posts through, he just doesn't do it. He posts something, and says its bullshit right after, in the same post. That means he should know he should delete it in the first place, but he doesn't make the connection to actually do it. I don't know why you still go on about this, I've explain all this already. I get the feeling you have a personal grudge against for some unfathomable reason. You accuse me of lurking, then you lurk the shit out of the thread. You say I argue with Sideni for too long - I agree on that, but as soon as I try to stop, Hapahauli jumps up and yells at me for being "shitty" for not arguing any more. I have a question for you: If Sideni gets lynched, what information will you get out of the flip, and how will it reflect on me? | ||
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On August 11 2012 04:25 Hapahauli wrote: I posted my thoughts already: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=31#615 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=31#617 The case is pretty bad. Like really bad. I'll have to do some thinking on whether or not it's scum motive or not though: bad cases aren't necessarily mafia-motivated. At the moment, it's my gut feeling that Sideni is a bad townie. Sideni has been pretty active, and despite the "fluffiness" of his posting, they read to me as genuine attempts to contribute. Secondly, I don't understand why Sideni (as mafia) would go after Dandel Ion after largely agreeing with mkfuba's case on Lvdr. I feel that hypothetical mafia-Sideni would have sheeped on Lvdr. So for the moment, I'm sticking with my vote on Axero. I've made my previous case on him clear, and he's sheeped into voting for Lvdr. I think he's the best lynch, but I have much more thinking to do over the next few hours. Hm just wanted to know if you still required me to adress it - I'm gonna take your post as a "no" | ||
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On August 11 2012 05:12 Hapahauli wrote: Given the rest of his play so far, I consider it a null tell. He has a well-written case on Lvdr on the table as well as a vote. I'm not a fan of his relative silence, but I don't consider it all that suspicious given his standing case on Lvdr. So if Axero just voted on you instead of FoS'ing you, and then went afk for the rest of day 1, you wouldn't have a problem with him? | ||
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On August 11 2012 05:15 Hapahauli wrote: How the hell did you go and reason that one? If Axero managed to write a decent case on me and vote me, I wouldn't be suspicious of him. Okay, fair enough. It just seems that half your case is because he suspected you, is all. | ||
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yet to vote: Kronen, ShadySands mkfuba(1): YourHarry lvdr(4): Axero, Sideni, mkfuba, iamperfection Sideni(4): Promethelax, lvdr, goodkarma, Dandel Ion Axero(4): Hapahauli with 12 people, it should take 7 to lynch, but it says 6 in the day1 post? So we could in theory lynch 2? | ||
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I think this is how I want to proceed: We lynch lvdr. He flips town, we lynch Sideni day 2 and probably mkfuba on day 3 He flips scum, you guys probably lynch me day 2 I'm pretty sure we get at least 1 scum with that. I won't lie, I'd like to have Sideni out of the game as fast as I can, but we all make our sacrifices.... | ||
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On August 11 2012 05:55 iamperfection wrote: oh there we go i think were right dandel ion Meh I post it, Hapahauli unvotes. Yours is the current | ||
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On August 11 2012 06:06 Hapahauli wrote: Help you build a case for a player who's not suspicious? No thanks. ##Vote Sideni I think mkfuba is suspicious enough. Especially considering how often Sideni referenced him positively in his posts, even though he didn't do anything in forever. I'd be very curious however, how Sideni got from praising mkfuba at every turn to "help me build a case on him" | ||
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On August 11 2012 06:09 Lvdr wrote: What is the deadline ~2 hours from now, 19:00 EDT | ||
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On August 11 2012 06:14 Promethelax wrote: EXPLAIN YOUR REASONS! ARGH Dandel and Iamperfection: get transparent! I might vote for him again later. Now I need to think | ||
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On August 11 2012 06:19 Hapahauli wrote: I have no clue. Presumably we're going to get an answer from Dandel in the near future. Once I get an answer on this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=36#706 I was pretty positive on a mkfuba/Sideni scumteam. This made me think it's not. | ||
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On August 11 2012 06:20 Sideni wrote: Sorry for the fluff, I'll actually be inactive until 6pm EST because I'm just so stressed right now and I can't think correctly =/ NO YOU DONT | ||
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On August 11 2012 06:22 Promethelax wrote: So his backing off a guy who, if I'm reading this right, you think is scum makes him town? I think I need my face brick. Will you ever say anything useful or are you just here for decoration? | ||
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I thought we could avoid a mislynch. Turns out Sideni just leaves the thread, the game, and town. There really is no excuse for doing that. If he's town that is. I'm very mad right now. ##vote Sideni again. | ||
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Shady Sands preferrably, Axero is also acceptable I don't think we're on the right track right now | ||
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On August 11 2012 07:01 iamperfection wrote: It was silly for dandel ion to post that. We have no idea what is going to happen at night or what new information may come to light. Scratch that post, doesn't apply any more. | ||
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Half the people aren't even here, so everyone that's here pretty much has to agree. ##unvote fo' reals this time | ||
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On August 11 2012 07:22 Hapahauli wrote: We have a couple of people here, me, Dandel Ion, lvdr, and Sideni confrimed. ShadySands and Kronen have posted recently. Between us 6, we can swing a lynch in a better direction. Possible Lynch Tarets GoodKarma - hasn't stuck his neck out, has played semi-lurky, and has tunneled suspicion on Axero and Sideni. It's his lack of involvement in this game that I find strange. Townies are naturally suspicious of several people and constantly switch suspicions (unless emotional). GoodKarma has played suspiciously "clean," and I think he could be mafia tunneling suspicion on two easy targets. Axero - his "ragequit" gives me a slight townie read, but I find his other behavior suspicious. I've made my views clear. Promethelax - Comes in, points a lot of fingers, picks a fight with Dandel Ion, then leaves. Call it a gut feeling, but I find his behavior strange. I don't think i can comment on Promethelax, I'm rather angry at him after all. I certainly wouldn't miss him, but a mislynch is a mislynch, and I don't feel like I can gauge if he's scum or not. I'd be happy to bus him though. Axero was never that strong a scum read to me - though you can never be sure. I have stated previously that I think you are biased against him, Hapa. I'd rather lynch him, than have a no-lynch, but he's not my priority. Goodkarma would be your "safe" pick for a lynch. He didn't post anything scummy in itself, but then again, he didn't post in the first place. Might be our best chance | ||
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On August 11 2012 07:26 Lvdr wrote: YH has also been conspicuously absent recently. on Prome: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=32#624 I find this to be a high quality post. Slight townie read. No, it was just long | ||
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On August 11 2012 07:45 Shady Sands wrote: I'm still very suspicious of Lvdr. Flipping through his recent filter, I see nothing except one-liner posts on who is lurking. This is not good analysis by any means. Also I'm highly suspicious of this line: The logical way to avoid a no-lynch is to generate a tunnel 30 minutes before deadline on a player that no one had voted for yet. The only way this would make sense is if Lvdr somehow knows that other people will easily join him on such a rapid lynch vote. This would only make sense if Lvdr was mason or scum. There are no masons in this game. | ||
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On August 11 2012 07:50 Hapahauli wrote: Btw, I take full responsibility for the GK train. Whatever the result may be, we probalby just got a SHIT TON of information out of the actions over the last hour. No matter the result, I'm pretty sure it was better than what we would've ran into | ||
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Right? Right. | ||
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On August 11 2012 08:19 Sideni wrote: Well, if Goodkarma was against me, it means that I'm clean, right ? :D Yeah. He COULD have tried to create distance, but he attacked Axero in the same posts, and while Ax got himself killed, at least we know he was town - which kinda helps. Also, I at least, didn't think you were scum at the very end of day1. This just about confirms you, given the circumstances. I feel pretty good about Hapa too now (huuuuuge part in switching to GK) I also feel pretty good about deciding on goodkarma myself (I don't want to give myself too much credit, but day 1 was really shitty for me at parts. Let me revel in my joy) | ||
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On August 11 2012 08:40 Shady Sands wrote: Wow. Town is either crazy good this game or scum is bussing. Given that it's day 1 I'm going to say the former is more likely. I don't think scum was bussing this - If Hapa didn't bring GK up, I'm pretty sure we would have just about forgotten him, especially given how crazy the day was. Scum Hapa didn't need to do that - he had plenty of people to mislynch available. | ||
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On August 11 2012 14:39 YourHarry wrote: Regarding Dandel, I agree that he was one of the first three to get on GK bandwagon and without much pressure from you. He voluntarily and very quickly jumped on GK wagon. Aside from this post, which makes me suspicious: I want to upgrade Dandel and downgrade iamperfection on the townie list: Really strong town reads: Hapa, Lvdr, Sideni, Axero Strong town reads: Shadysands, Dandel Maybe town: Null read: Promo, iamperfection scum reads: Kronen Need to re-evaluate mkfuba. I'm going to read through the whole thing properly and post my thoughts before the night ends - But this is something I can clear up really quick: At that point, I was 99% sure Sideni would've been a misslynch. The quote was meant to convey that, whatever goodkarma flips, town would be better off in the end than if we would've lynched Sideni. No matter if I like his play or not, he was active and contributing, while GK was lurking and NOT contributing at all. In an earlier post by me, I call GK a "safe" lynch, because that's what he was to me: Good chance of scum, no real loss if town. Note that I was never 100% convinced GK is scum, I think that's impossible to say from 2 votes. But GK was our best lynch at that time (no matter his flip, since he didn't flip yet), and the part you quoted is me expressing that. | ||
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On August 11 2012 20:55 Dandel Ion wrote: Note that I was never 100% convinced GK is scum, I think that's impossible to say from 2 votes. But GK was our best lynch at that time (no matter his flip, since he didn't flip yet), and the part you quoted is me expressing that. WBWOP: bolded should read: two POSTS | ||
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Still relatively undecided on him - His play is not as "dumb" as it was in game 0.5, but that doesn't tell me shit - even if he rolled scum again, he would know that the same behavior won't fly again, given that we all have his previous roll fresh in mind. He soft-defended Lvdr early on, even stating that he think he's town. He also stated he didn't think Axero, Sideni or lvdr to be good lynches - WAY before it was clear to me. He attacked mkfuba and voted him, and didn't change it up all game. Conclusion: YH had a strong scum read on mkuba, and STUCK with it. I feel like it would've been easy for him to sheep onto somebody. While he kinda ruled out the possibility of voting for Ax, Sideni or lvdr himself, there was plenty opportunity to suggest a mislynch without drawing much attention. Verdict: Slight town read to me, scum possible. Kronen: It's weird. He has a bunch of posts, but he doesn't share his reads at all - He has one post FoS'ing 3 people at the same time (lvdr, axero and me), without giving any reasoning (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=38#751) On being asked to lay out his reasons, he posts this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=39#773 Yet again, did not post anything concerning his FoS's, just soft-defends Sideni. Next post he says his preferences change. Fair enough, but he still has not posted any scum-reads. He's there to vote on GK, but it's a bit too late to still consider it a town-tell. So it's a null-tell. He posts a super-useful objective writeup of the GK lynch (marry me pls) I love it and it's useful and everything, but it's frustrating that you still have not posted your reads. You promised to post your reads during the night - fair enough. I shall wait for it. Verdict: TBD mkfuba: I considered you a scumteam together with Sideni during day 1. Scratch that, I was SURE you were a scumteam. Things have changed. Your case on Lvdr was not bad by any means - unfortunately you suffer from 2 problems with it: 1) it was too early in the day to really HAVE any useful reads/cases 2) lvdr, who your only case is against turns out to be a strong town read (for me at least) You explain you lurking afterwards with the Axero/PM debacle - I'll give you that. You seem to pick up your pace, so keep at it. Like Kronen, you voted for goodkarma, but too late to guess the alignment out of it - yet another null tell. Verdict: Null tell. Shady Sands: You have a bunch of reasonable posts, and you outline your vote on Lvdr well. Nothing extensive, but nothing really scummy to find in there, imo. Something I consider a town tell: You didn't jump ship when the GK train was in the making, not even when it was clear GK would be the lynch. If you were mafia, I feel like you would've jumped just to not look suspicious - town doesn't need to worry about looking suspicious. You had accepable reasons for believing lvdr is scum. -> townie points A small detail that's also a small town tell I'd like to highlight: When Sideni and I started digging into each other, you posted this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=29#561 As mafia, you could've sat back and let town bus Sideni (remember: that ALMOST happened) - since you'd have known everyone's alignments, it would have been an EASY mislynch with a lot of destructive finger-pointing afterwards. I'm leaning town for you. Promethelax My #1 scum read at the moment. + Show Spoiler + Some meta to start it off: In game 0.5 he opened the game by posting this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=10#190 My highlight out of there is: My strengths in mafia games are my ability to build strong cases and to post in an active and pro-town manner. He has not done any of that this game. Spoilered because it's not really an argumentOn to the real case: 1) He accused me on being scum on my SECOND post in the thread. on the basis of "lurking" not fitting my "meta". Nevermind the fact that day/night posts are at 1 AM for me. 75% of my "lurking" time, I've just been sleeping. Whatever, he might just be PMS'ing. I conceded that I didn't post shit yet + Show Spoiler + (as an european I'm pretty used to NA people forgetting about timezones and shit) next: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=25#498 Roundhouse kicking a few people. Wouldn't be too bad, but what stands out is that while berateing people for not commenting on what happened so far, he didn't actually comment on any of that either - he just picks 4-5 people and casts general suspicion everywhere. Asks iamperfection why he's so free with his FoS, when the first thing he did himself is FoS'ing YourHarry and lvdr IN HIS FIRST POST, without any good reason. Some posts questioning and passively accusing people inbetween. Then he finally takes it on his shoulders to try and contribute: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=32#624 What stands out first is how long the post is. What stands out right after that is how he says NOTHING with it. He casts general suspicion everywhere he can (I'm seeing a pattern). In just this one post calls scummy: Sideni (good-as-confirmed town), Axero (flipped town), me (am town), lvdr (strong town read) iamperfection (decent town read) and YourHarry (town-ish, as I stated above) All his reads are weak as hell, even back then, and outright silly now. I personally interpret his Sideni vote as trying to get the mislynch train rolling He then has a shitton of oneliners/no-content posts. Whenever possible, he also tries his best to insult me, which is kinda weird, for scum to openly antagonize people, but whatever. Doesn't even try to think about the Sideni situation, leaving his vote on him. By that time even I, one of the biggest pushers for a Sideni lynch, didn't think Sideni was scum anymore. He even insults me (nothing new in itself) for jumping off the Sideni train in time. I see no town motivations ANYWHERE in Promethelax' play. Verdict: SCUM Those are my thoughts on people as it stands right now, tell me if i missed anything/if you don't follow my logic anywhere. | ||
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To get it out there, TOWN RANKINGS Hapa and Sideni are as-good-as-confirmed townies. lvdr is a strong town read iamperfection is a solid town read. | ||
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On August 12 2012 02:59 Promethelax wrote: I would put the second scum between Dandel and Shady: Dandel says that he can't comment on his feelings on me until he is asked about it, when I am his biggest scum read. I hadn't psoted at all between these two posts. So what changed? I'd say that Dandel realized that there was some town sentiment against me and it was safe to make his move. I didn't want to comment/think about you before because I was pissed at you for being a massive dick. I slept over it, and I feel like I can post it now, without being too emotionally influenced. How about you adress my case (and the other's suspicions against you) instead of trying to invalidate it with you BS? | ||
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On August 12 2012 03:11 Hapahauli wrote: @ Dandel Ion - don't take away too much from Promethelax's post. It's not founded in logic or reason; it's 100% desperate mafia. Nothing worth getting upset over. I wish Axero didn't die - I'd request a vigi shot on Prom on the spot. I wish I WAS the Vigi  Woulda loved to do it myself | ||
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If he's suicidal, he's trying to distance himself from the nightkill. Maybe he's trying to juke the medic by making Hapa and me look like NK targets and then kill somebody else - not a good trade for making his scum obvious in the process. He might just try to buy somebody towncred - we'll see. What I really want to see now is Kronen's post | ||
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On August 12 2012 08:54 Hapahauli wrote: Sooo... does anyone have a reason we shouldn't vote Promethelax? nope ##vote Promethelax | ||
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On August 12 2012 08:59 Hapahauli wrote: I actually have a bit to say about the Kronen NK - post incoming when I finish dinner. On thing that would make sense is an attempted blue snipe. Given how Kronen layed low during day 1, scum might've assumed he was blue. Why they wouldn't go after a confirmed/strong town, I don't really know. | ||
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No logical connection between the two? True, I'm just tired. G'night. | ||
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While the lynch is clear TODAY, I don't know about the next one. Yeah, some people already decided on the third scum, just depending on Prome's scum flip, but I haven't. Maybe it could be easy and we'll get it over with quickly. But we might also miss something. Don't get me wrong, I'd love for today (day 2) to be shortened, but I'm not so sure if I want 24-hour-days permanently. Also, voting for a 24-hour-day in the thread is dumb. If somebody decides to vote against it, he's gonna be singled out for it, and argued into the scum corner. So scum won't openly say they're against it, even if they are. If we were to vote for it, I guess PM'ing the hosts would be best. Can we get a statement on how to do this? | ||
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Blue roles would also be in blue. | ||
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I think I know what's going on. | ||
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On August 13 2012 08:24 Sideni wrote: Can't talk too much about what I have in mind =/ @Shady Sands' replacer - I have good reasons to think that you can be a scum. I want you to tell me your role ! IF YOU DON'T or if you hesitate, I'm going to assume that you're mafia. If you're town, there's no problem, it's just going to help town ! Believe me. Still going to reveal my strategy after Night 2. Be careful and make it 10-minutes-before-night2-ends. | ||
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On August 13 2012 08:54 YourHarry wrote: Sideni, everyone already knows... Sorry This. I wouldn't even have commented if you were, you know.... actually subtle | ||
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On August 13 2012 09:04 YourHarry wrote: I think mafia also knew that, too Or do they?!! But Sideni, you do understand detectives only receive "Guilty" or "Innocent", not role names? If not then I'm confus | ||
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Not that I really expect a change in votes. | ||
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On August 14 2012 06:43 Sideni wrote: YourHarry and Shady Sands are missing ... I don't like that =/ Guys, I think Shady Sands the 3rd mafia because he's not talking. If his replacer would have got a townie role, he would have already talked. It may be a strategy from mafia to not let him talk ... However, he has to vote before the night or he gets modkilled ! @Shady Sands' replacer - I want your role called before the night ! You be worrying about needless things. Just wait for the nightpost, we'll go from there. | ||
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On August 14 2012 09:34 Obvious.660 wrote: Mother of god. Flawless victory? Not flawless. Kronen died. Get your shit together Kronen! | ||
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On August 14 2012 09:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Hapa also had a red check on the final scum - truly an awe-inspiring performance. Town MVP imo. I'mma be honest, last scum was basically mkfuba VS Shady Town win day3/4 even if Hapa was brainafk. What makes him MVP is the hero GK lynch. | ||
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That explains shit. GeeGee | ||
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On August 14 2012 10:15 Blazinghand wrote: LOL I can't believe like none of you asked for coaching. I guess you didn't need it I wanted to just jump in and figure shit out myself. Turns out, I didn't have to do shit and got carried to victory. | ||
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On August 14 2012 10:17 YourHarry wrote: Hapa, you were not suspicious of Sideni? He pretty much soft-claimed cop. If I were you, I may have counter-claimed and went after Sideni... But there was like, NO way Sideni was scum. He's not the best at logic and shit, so we can only speculate until he explains this. On August 14 2012 10:18 Blazinghand wrote: oh no did I ignore you! I'm so sorry ;_; top 3 coaching right here | ||
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On August 14 2012 10:31 YourHarry wrote: Terran is OP. How do I stop 1-1-1? 1gate FE | ||
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On August 14 2012 10:59 Shady Sands wrote: FYI Hapa, I left the game because I didn't want to play versus you. Scum QT Basically, I could google the scum QT, so I thought you were cheating by spying on our QT. That's why I left. I just saw that post by prplhz lol. Not that we really needed additional help | ||
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I don't think Hapa cheated. He got a good check on Shady n1, but that wasn't too hard. Prome already shot himself into Lynch City, and the only other feasible targets were YourHarry and mkfuba. Shady, I think you look at this wrong. You guys had bad luck we got GK at first lynch (=bad luck that GK was the biggest lurker by FAR), and were unable to salvage the situation. None of you were active enough to establish a presence, so when you were under suspicion, you fell pretty fast. You should examine your OWN play and find out how you could've done it better instead of blaming something else. That's what you should've learned from starcraft. I don't think any of you played a good scum game, but that's just like, my opinion, man. | ||
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Need to reverse-stalk on people that stalk on me. | ||
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