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On August 07 2012 01:50 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 01:40 Shady Sands wrote:On August 07 2012 01:30 DarthPunk wrote:On August 07 2012 01:20 JingleHell wrote:On August 07 2012 01:18 DarthPunk wrote:On August 07 2012 01:15 JingleHell wrote:
Misdirection. In context, it suggests that one of us would flip red. Of course, the one who will is you. It's also just one more shred of evidence, along with everything else that's piled up. It does nothing of the sort, you are creating something that isn't there. you are obviously desperate to avoid a lynch. so I can forgive you for manufacturing scumslips from thin air. and then stubbornly calling the actual meaning misdirection. I'm desperate? When I finally cave and stop being resigned to watching town self destruct and defend myself after literally everyone asks me to? You're the one who's becoming increasingly frantic. I know better than to try and alter your convictions when you have something stuck in your head. So i will leave it at I agree to disagree. Why are you doing this for JingleHell, but spent so much time arguing against aRyuujin and Ange? If you're convinced that aRyuu and Ange are scum, then shouldn't you be abandoning/ignoring them, and trying to persuade JingleHell? Because I have read this game, His previous game. and the tech support forum. I tried to reason with him. But he won't have it. although it is somewhat suspicious. I am more suspicious of the guys getting me lynched. Right?
Uhm, bringing up the Tech Board is probably the worst thing you could do. Seeing as things there tend to be objective right/wrong. Ignoring, of course, the parts where that's not a game, and it's clearly just a desperate ad hom attempt to make me look stubborn.
Funny thing, if I'm so damn stubborn, why do my suspicions shift so readily with new information?
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You're the one accusing me of being stubborn, when it's not corroborated. Yes, in fact, I expect you to be able to justify it without an ad hominem attack based off of something I do elsewhere in the community that's utterly impossible to compare.
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On August 07 2012 06:14 goodkarma wrote:Lol nice call everyone  I'm really going to need to talk more with the hosts post-game, as I didn't see Darthpunk as the clear scum you all did. I mean, scum coordinating the Zork vote change so last-minute didn't feel like a likely scenario for me. I think this clears suspicion from Ange, if there was any... I'm looking forward to everyone's opinions on who the next lynch should be. Darthpunk suggested Jingle was town... Was that a scumslip, or is that his way of trying to ensure Jingle's survival? I honestly am not sure at this point. I've got a lot of reassessing to do on my reads, and if this flip is any indication, a lot of learning left to do.
Well, even though I know I'm town, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if you people decided to lynch into me to save effort, although I'd prefer to do something sane, like looking at common votes between DP and Zork.
There's a nice one who I already tried to make a case against, specifically, Alan.
Obviously we can WIFOM a scenario where I'm scum and the entire DP lynch was a setup to buy me enough town credit to potentially win the day, but that seems like a slightly absurd way to do it when it would have been easier and safer for DP to aggressively bus me, if I were scum.
The whole scenario makes the most sense if you believe I'm town, DP knew in advance that a lynch on me would flip green, and wanted to earn town credit after my mislynch.
So, would anyone like to go back and read my case against Alan instead of just dismissing it out of hand this time?
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On August 07 2012 06:43 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 00:27 alan133 wrote:I am back from a long day. I thought Jingle is certainly getting lynched the last time I post, so I did not sneak out to check on this thread during work today. In my eyes, he is as close as to scum as it can get without flipping. @aRyuIt did not occur to me that I am putting myself in a position to lynch you once Jingle flips town. In fact, I intend to use that as a basis to come out with a Jingle/DarthPunk scenario. If the remaining scums are in fact, in all four of us who voted for Mordanis before changing votes, and if both you and Jingle are townies, then it means me and Darth Punk are the scums. This won’t make sense, unless there is a third mafia hiding among the early Zork votes. If you think I am using this to set up a lynch on you, I am not, and I apologize if it came out that way. I don’t think there is a chance for Jingle to flip town at this point in time. @JingleHis recent post has somewhat improved; he stopped the tunnelling thing and moved on to OMGUS town. (lol) There are no follow up to my case, and no follow up to Good Karma’s either. However, his reaction to DP’s scum slip seems very believable, and the counter-vote seems to give him huge townie points. It could be another attempt to “seems pro town” by “catching” DP, as DP has gained quite a lot of FOS-momentum at that point. + Show Spoiler +WIFOM: Could it be scums trying to sacrifice another scummate so the last one can gain a more advantages spot? I think this is very unlikely, but no entirely impossible. Also, he refused to defend attacks, and disregard all of them as WIFOM and since then only passively comment on cases, after the DP vote. @DarthPunkI said I could not find any scummy things to penalize him in his huge filter, how eager is he to prove me wrong. I am sure many has caught and mentioned his scum slip ever since he started defending himself. (Oh the irony) Even Jingle himself talks about his “slip”. I would like to know, why Jingle gives you a townie vibe, other than that you yourself is getting tunnelled right now? I would also like to add that that was posted before you were tunnelled, so any other reasons? No? Also, this: If shady votes for me I will vote for myself etc Well, in this case, if you are a town, you are allowing town to mislynch you-an anti-town play. If you are a scum, then LOL. Please tell me this is not a slip? If you intend to buy “townie points” with this, then you failed miserably. Town wants to lynch scum, not martyr himself to prove he is town. I am fine with voting any of these two players, but I will keep my vote on Jingle for the moment. I think we got both scums. Alan's post here explains pretty clearly why he wasn't going with a DP lynch vote. He was calling out a Jingle/DP scenario miles before I hammered DP, so I'm not sure if he was town. Part of the reason why I delayed my vote for as long as I did was to make sure that no one could sheep the final vote.
He "explained" his vote by saying he was buying into the most absurd case scenario. I don't think that qualifies as doing it well at all.
He also said It did not occur to me that I am putting myself in a position to lynch you once Jingle flips town
Now, it DOES strain credulity that the same slip would catch two scum from one day's play, but it seems less far-fetched to me than the "Sacrifice DP to get hypothetical Jingle town cred" plan.
And it's not the only evidence against him.
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On August 03 2012 23:35 alan133 wrote:In all seriousness, mind posting something that is other than: + Show Spoiler +Target's latest defence against No! You did not explain a town motive! I vote you ##v0t3 example1over a thousand times?
This makes me look suspicious, apparently. But, minutes later...
On August 04 2012 17:15 alan133 wrote:I thought Zork's angry reaction was a town trait. I made my stance on him based on that.
It's ok from Zork.
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On August 07 2012 10:48 aRyuujin wrote:
Great job, guys. *High fives Ange777*
Hopefully, this should clear me of at least a little suspicion. Now, Jingle, seeing as you're still alive, it would be nice if you played like a decent person again. Now, I really want to look at alan. A few things: of the mordanis voting group, Alan (and dp of course) is the only one who voted jingle. He says he doesn't really care, he'd vote DP. It may seem like he just didn't vote because he was lazy or something (no need). However, the majority was quite slim. I'd like to add this to my suspicions of alan from my 'dual scenario' post, and note that Jingle and alan are still my top scum reads
I would have played like a "decent person" to begin with if I hadn't replaced into a shitty position where I couldn't get momentum.
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On August 07 2012 11:31 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 11:17 JingleHell wrote:On August 07 2012 10:48 aRyuujin wrote:
Great job, guys. *High fives Ange777*
Hopefully, this should clear me of at least a little suspicion. Now, Jingle, seeing as you're still alive, it would be nice if you played like a decent person again. Now, I really want to look at alan. A few things: of the mordanis voting group, Alan (and dp of course) is the only one who voted jingle. He says he doesn't really care, he'd vote DP. It may seem like he just didn't vote because he was lazy or something (no need). However, the majority was quite slim. I'd like to add this to my suspicions of alan from my 'dual scenario' post, and note that Jingle and alan are still my top scum reads I would have played like a "decent person" to begin with if I hadn't replaced into a shitty position where I couldn't get momentum. Jingle, did you read my post on the RB quote? What do you think?
I think it took you a minute to remember that there's scum RBs out there who also could have RBed me.
I also plan to spend more time persuading you than listening to you, for my sanity. It seems to work better that way, anyways, judging by the dead scum.
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On August 07 2012 11:43 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 11:32 JingleHell wrote:On August 07 2012 11:31 Shady Sands wrote:On August 07 2012 11:17 JingleHell wrote:On August 07 2012 10:48 aRyuujin wrote:
Great job, guys. *High fives Ange777*
Hopefully, this should clear me of at least a little suspicion. Now, Jingle, seeing as you're still alive, it would be nice if you played like a decent person again. Now, I really want to look at alan. A few things: of the mordanis voting group, Alan (and dp of course) is the only one who voted jingle. He says he doesn't really care, he'd vote DP. It may seem like he just didn't vote because he was lazy or something (no need). However, the majority was quite slim. I'd like to add this to my suspicions of alan from my 'dual scenario' post, and note that Jingle and alan are still my top scum reads I would have played like a "decent person" to begin with if I hadn't replaced into a shitty position where I couldn't get momentum. Jingle, did you read my post on the RB quote? What do you think? I think it took you a minute to remember that there's scum RBs out there who also could have RBed me. I also plan to spend more time persuading you than listening to you, for my sanity. It seems to work better that way, anyways, judging by the dead scum. Jingle, your post seemed to imply that you think the town RB blocked you, which is why I'm asking.
I clearly did at the time, but at this point, it's hard to be sure, since nobody has claimed to give us a confirmed townie to make things easier.
I can't prove I was RBed, but I don't see what I'd gain from faking it as scum. In fact, considering it could be used to accuse me of rolefishing, and I was in the spotlight already...
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As for killing me to satisfy your curiosity, well, anyone who isn't confirmed town suggesting that will sound scummy. I've got some things I'd rather wait until daypost to discuss, though.
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If we discuss the wrong things at night, we might end up helping scum decide which townie to flip for us.
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On August 08 2012 02:43 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 11:48 JingleHell wrote:On August 07 2012 11:43 Shady Sands wrote:On August 07 2012 11:32 JingleHell wrote:On August 07 2012 11:31 Shady Sands wrote:On August 07 2012 11:17 JingleHell wrote:On August 07 2012 10:48 aRyuujin wrote:
Great job, guys. *High fives Ange777*
Hopefully, this should clear me of at least a little suspicion. Now, Jingle, seeing as you're still alive, it would be nice if you played like a decent person again. Now, I really want to look at alan. A few things: of the mordanis voting group, Alan (and dp of course) is the only one who voted jingle. He says he doesn't really care, he'd vote DP. It may seem like he just didn't vote because he was lazy or something (no need). However, the majority was quite slim. I'd like to add this to my suspicions of alan from my 'dual scenario' post, and note that Jingle and alan are still my top scum reads I would have played like a "decent person" to begin with if I hadn't replaced into a shitty position where I couldn't get momentum. Jingle, did you read my post on the RB quote? What do you think? I think it took you a minute to remember that there's scum RBs out there who also could have RBed me. I also plan to spend more time persuading you than listening to you, for my sanity. It seems to work better that way, anyways, judging by the dead scum. Jingle, your post seemed to imply that you think the town RB blocked you, which is why I'm asking. I clearly did at the time, but at this point, it's hard to be sure, since nobody has claimed to give us a confirmed townie to make things easier. I can't prove I was RBed, but I don't see what I'd gain from faking it as scum. In fact, considering it could be used to accuse me of rolefishing, and I was in the spotlight already... This still doesn't make sense. So on one hand you thought there was a town RB, but you wanted the RB to come out and confirm, when there were still two scum left and we couldn't afford to mislynch yet? Why?
No, I was actually just snarking.
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On August 08 2012 02:49 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 02:46 JingleHell wrote:On August 08 2012 02:43 Shady Sands wrote:On August 07 2012 11:48 JingleHell wrote:On August 07 2012 11:43 Shady Sands wrote:On August 07 2012 11:32 JingleHell wrote:On August 07 2012 11:31 Shady Sands wrote:On August 07 2012 11:17 JingleHell wrote:On August 07 2012 10:48 aRyuujin wrote:
Great job, guys. *High fives Ange777*
Hopefully, this should clear me of at least a little suspicion. Now, Jingle, seeing as you're still alive, it would be nice if you played like a decent person again. Now, I really want to look at alan. A few things: of the mordanis voting group, Alan (and dp of course) is the only one who voted jingle. He says he doesn't really care, he'd vote DP. It may seem like he just didn't vote because he was lazy or something (no need). However, the majority was quite slim. I'd like to add this to my suspicions of alan from my 'dual scenario' post, and note that Jingle and alan are still my top scum reads I would have played like a "decent person" to begin with if I hadn't replaced into a shitty position where I couldn't get momentum. Jingle, did you read my post on the RB quote? What do you think? I think it took you a minute to remember that there's scum RBs out there who also could have RBed me. I also plan to spend more time persuading you than listening to you, for my sanity. It seems to work better that way, anyways, judging by the dead scum. Jingle, your post seemed to imply that you think the town RB blocked you, which is why I'm asking. I clearly did at the time, but at this point, it's hard to be sure, since nobody has claimed to give us a confirmed townie to make things easier. I can't prove I was RBed, but I don't see what I'd gain from faking it as scum. In fact, considering it could be used to accuse me of rolefishing, and I was in the spotlight already... This still doesn't make sense. So on one hand you thought there was a town RB, but you wanted the RB to come out and confirm, when there were still two scum left and we couldn't afford to mislynch yet? Why? No, I was actually just snarking. So you did or you didn't get RB'd?
I did get RBed, assumed at the time it was a town RB intended to block NK. So I was making fun of the bad choice of targets.
If it was a scum RB, I can't imagine the reasoning.
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On August 09 2012 10:28 Shady Sands wrote:
Jingle where are you? Why are you voting Alan?
I'm voting for Alan for a pisston of reasons already stated, and if I had made some obscenely long post re-detailing all of those things, you would instead be nattering on about clutter, so I'll just save myself some time instead, thanks?
I mean, I'm aware you're pissed that I made a point about DP and was right with it, since you were so busy tunneling me to a mislynch based on WIFOM, because I tunneled the wrong guy based on WIFOM once too, but you could have the good graces not to be a tart about the obvious.
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On August 09 2012 10:52 Shady Sands wrote:
The more you respond to legitimate requests for casework with hostility, the more you look like a scum read who's just deliberately being hostile to dodge having to give reasons for your votes.
And the more you talk, the more I plan to /out of any game I see you sign up for, so I guess we're even. If you could get the fuck over yourself for thirty damn seconds, you'd realize that overall, I'm the last person who owes analysis on Alan, since between me and Ange, about 60-70% of the case against him comes from two people.
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On August 09 2012 11:31 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 10:54 JingleHell wrote:On August 09 2012 10:52 Shady Sands wrote:
The more you respond to legitimate requests for casework with hostility, the more you look like a scum read who's just deliberately being hostile to dodge having to give reasons for your votes. And the more you talk, the more I plan to /out of any game I see you sign up for, so I guess we're even. If you could get the fuck over yourself for thirty damn seconds, you'd realize that overall, I'm the last person who owes analysis on Alan, since between me and Ange, about 60-70% of the case against him comes from two people. Alan actually posted two long-ish defenses before you cast your vote, which is what I think you should respond to.
If my play is as terrible as everyone wants to make it out to be, that's the last thing you should want. Would you really want me to accidentally undermine the effort with my oh so horrendous town play that everyone loves to talk shit about?
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On August 10 2012 05:37 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 04:25 aRyuujin wrote:On August 10 2012 04:18 Shady Sands wrote:
So after reading through GK's and aRyuu's posts, nothing looks out of order. I read through Alan's defenses one more time as well. One thing that struck me as odd about Alan was his insistence on asking us all to consider scenarios in which he is green, but he never actually added any specifics about those scenarios. Basically, who is the scum if Alan is green? He hasn't mentioned anything about that, which just adds to my scum read on him. well, let's think about it. The only people left would be aRyuujin Shady ange GK Jingle (minus whoever gets NKed) Shady/ange I'd say are pretty much guaranteed town. I know I'm town, and you guys really ought to be looking somewhere else, seeing as without me, Jingle would've been lynched. So GK vs Jingle... Overall, I'd say Jingle is still the clearest lynch target. He hasn't posted a thing since the night 4 post, and he's basically attempted to use "being angry" as an excuse to refrain from posting any additional analysis.
You know, if you're going to go crying in the TL Mafia ban thread about me being a meany poopoo head, you could try learning from the thread and realize I've actually been doing my best to ignore you when I'm not busy turning a logical case into bizarre WIFOM to convince you to vote for the guy who flips scum.
You call me out and complain about my play when it's saved the town's ass once already, and is probably about to win the game for us. And if you want to talk about "if Alan flips green" the highest lynch priority should be whoever brought it up.
I'm definitely not going to answer to someone who won't let me ignore them, and who does complain about the responses they get when they actively try to push me out of the thread and then complain about it working.
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On August 10 2012 05:52 Ange777 wrote:
Funny, it never occured to me that your awesome play saved us and will win us this game. If you can't talk to us without being sore than please just shut up.
I've tried to. But every time I do, people bitch at me for not talking more. And then when I answer, they ask for me to get banned from TL Mafia. I think I have a bit of a right to have an issue with that.
And yeah, given that you were all dancing nicely to DP's tune until I called him out, I'll take a bit of credit.
And as for Shady, if you think I'm likely to be wrong about Alan, maybe you should have posted analysis along those lines to clear him and push a better target, instead of sheeping on someone who you think is a horrible player.
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On August 10 2012 06:01 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 05:56 JingleHell wrote:On August 10 2012 05:52 Ange777 wrote:
Funny, it never occured to me that your awesome play saved us and will win us this game. If you can't talk to us without being sore than please just shut up. I've tried to. But every time I do, people bitch at me for not talking more. And then when I answer, they ask for me to get banned from TL Mafia. I think I have a bit of a right to have an issue with that. And yeah, given that you were all dancing nicely to DP's tune until I called him out, I'll take a bit of credit. And as for Shady, if you think I'm likely to be wrong about Alan, maybe you should have posted analysis along those lines to clear him and push a better target, instead of sheeping on someone who you think is a horrible player. Were we dancing to DP's tune? Ange and aRyuu posted on DP about a page before you did, if I recall. You didn't join in on DP until DP inexplicably defended you in one of his posts.
I don't remember DP leading the votes until I called him out.
And I notice you're managing to ignore what I said. If you don't like hearing what I have to say, let me ignore you. We'll all be happier.
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On August 10 2012 06:06 Ange777 wrote:
Jingle, you don't have any bit of town cred. It's the fact that you and DarthPunk would not have fitted as a scum team that has saved your ass from being lynched today. So I don't think that you calling him out did anything to tip the votes in DarthPunk's favor.
With this level of self-delusion in the thread, is it really so surprising I try to ignore you all as much as I can?
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